Dose - Half an Ounce of Bali Leaf and... NOTHING.

[Mr. Bob]

SWIM dropped in this evening bitching about an "experience" with Kratom.

Said he ordered an ounce {$cheap$} of Bali leaf off the net. Crushed it into a {almost} powder, took out the twigs that wouldn't turn to powder and put the stuff in capsules. Said he took half of the pills and ate some of the twigs. Took some Ginger root in pill form to avoid nausea. Then he waited.

SWIM waited over four hours with very little change in consciousness what so ever. A mild euphoria for about an hour, but nothing more. Didn't speed him up or slow him down.

The capsules he used were holding time released Niacin, but the Niacin beads inside were what was time released, not the gelatin capsules right? So that is out of the question.

If not he might be in for a surprise! ( )

He says he's quite sure it was Kratom, tasted bitter as hell and looked just like it. Yet he got nothing out of it.

The day before he had played a bit with Tramadol, but nothing too heavy. He did eat a full meal an hour before taking it and had a snack about 20 or so minutes after taking it. I told him to take it on an empty stomach but the fucker wouldn't listen, said he was hungry. He thinks regardless of the Tramadol the day before he would at least get something out of half an ounce of Kratom?

He has used opiates in the past, mostly just pharms like Vicodin, Perks, Morph and Tramadol, {never did H} and this was his first time trying Kratom.

Maybe he should try a stronger or different type of Kratom?

Any opinions or advise would help. Thanx.

EDIT: He was also eating Tums with it. He ate about 4 or 5 total.