Cultivation - Growing opium at home...

[bknowles27]

SWIM wonders if it would be smart to grow opium in his garden, or possibly in his house. Can anyone give SWIM advice as to whether this is a smart idea, or just another one of those accidents waiting to happen?

[538wireman]

Swim would definitely advise AGAINST growing OPIUM anywhere in the United States.

However swiy might try growing POPPIES ( the PAPAVER SOMNIFERUM variety) for their DECORATIVE value in FLORAL arrangments.

[BA]

Swim use to grow poppy every year and grew it he did.

[bknowles27]

SWIM will definitely think about adding some decoration to his house. His gardens looking a little sad lately. ya dig?

[blueflame128]

Just make sure you grow it along with a bunch of other species of flowers... to make it look it's best

[bknowles27]

Yes sir, Martha Stewart here I come. Minus the stock market thing...

[samuraigecko]

LoL. Yugoslavia would no longer have the highest content Opium anymore (if they even still grow opium that is). Other countries breeding programs have far exceeded the 15 to 17 % mark now.

[bknowles27]

yea swim would figure afghanistan would have the most... but then again thats mostly cuz the usa decided to take that bitch over so we have a green room to grow our shit.................. fuck the u.s.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by bknowles27

yea swim would figure afghanistan would have the most...

Nope

No illicit Opium growing country will ever be able to reach the heights set by commercial opium growing countries and their breeding programs.

The answer would actually be a certain strain of Papaver Somniferum l. The "Tazzie" or Tasmanian Purple, a commercial strain bred specifically for high alkaloid content for the medical industry is the leader in potency with Morphine content percentages reaching 35% of total alkaloids but consistently staying at around 30%.

Originally Posted by bknowles27

but then again thats mostly cuz the usa decided to take that bitch over so we have a green room to grow our shit........

Yep, U.S. motives are questionable at best.

Originally Posted by bknowles27

.......... fuck the u.s.

Couldn't agree more, fornicate her forcefully in the ear . . . .

[robshaka]

I've heard using pin pricks is a good way to get round this, with the added bonus of more latex.

[Jasim]

Originally Posted by robshaka

I've heard using pin pricks is a good way to get round this, with the added bonus of more latex.

To get around what? Does swiy mean 'noticeable signs of harvesting'?
Never heard of getting more latex via this method, maybe because it's less invasive to the plant allowing increased harvest?

[robshaka]

Originally Posted by Jasim

To get around what? Does swiy mean 'noticeable signs of harvesting'?
Never heard of getting more latex via this method, maybe because it's less invasive to the plant allowing increased harvest?

SWIM has read that this method makes the pod look less tampered with. He's also read (from gecko, i think) that pin pricking allows the latex to seep out more as it's less likely to seep back into the cut... The logic being that a pin prick cut is smaller than a razor cut. SWIM is no expert though.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by robshaka

I've heard using pin pricks is a good way to get round this, with the added bonus of more latex.

Lacerated is lacerated. If one was thinking that they could get off by saying to the nice policeman that "but they arent lacerations, they are pin pricks so its OK" then one would be severely mistaken. A purposefully bled pod is all they need.

Pin pricking does not produce more latex, SWIM has been doing this for over 20 years and has seen almost every way of bleeding imaginable. If done right lacerating with a razor blade and some blue-tac can be the most efficient way of doing it if the blade is in an experienced hand. However, using a pin can be more efficient and cause less problems in the inexperienced hand. Bleeds do not recede into already present cuts, it is easier not to pierce the pod wall because the pin can be set at depth. This can end up yielding more Opium but only because of reduced losses and not because the pod will bleed more.

Peace

[robshaka]

[quote=samuraigecko;547958]Lacerated is lacerated. If one was thinking that they could get off by saying to the nice policeman that "but they arent lacerations, they are pin pricks so its OK" then one would be severely mistaken. A purposefully bled pod is all they need.

Swim was meaning in the sense that a neighbour or passer by wouldn't notice the pin pricks as much as big score lines. Nosy neighbours can be a bastard...

[Jasim]

If swiy grows them outside, swiy should be very careful should he consider harvesting the opium. The marks left on the poppy pods can be very noticeable, even from a distance, as the scars tend to turn a very dark color against the lighter colored pods.

[bknowles27]

Alright guys I think you've answered SWIM's question. Now its time to just pick the type of plants SWIM will be growing in his beautiful garden.

[bknowles27]

If SWIM were to do this, after harvest what would be the easiest thing to do. ie. Smoke the opium, or make some other kind of product. Suggestions please....

[cra$h]

depends on what you want to do. Of course you can just simply dry it and smoke it up, but get a little created. Morphine isn't the most complicated thing in the world, there's a thread somewhere on converting O to morphine. Then you could even make some dope from the morphine. THE POSSIBILITES ARE ENDLESS!

[samuraigecko]

1] harvest the Opium by bleeding.
2] Harvest the poppy pods themselves.
3] smoke Opium as is or further refine into a CFO.
4] do not bleed pods and just harvest pods for refining into CFO or just to use as a tea.
5] harvest bled pods to combine with the bled latex and make a CFO ot tea or laudanum.

etc etc etc

Peace

[bknowles27]

Anyone know the thread that cra$h was talkin about..?

[Phentasies]

SWIM grows opium in SWIMs frontyard in a garden 10 feet from the road. No problems. The other year SWIM was in his garden sorrounded by tennis ball sized pods harvesting them and a motorbike cop drove by and gave SWIM a long-hard stare, SWIM just smiled and nodded. SWIMs neighbors see SWIM in the garden tending his plants, compliment SWIM on his huge poppies. But SWIM lives in great white north, no one cares. SWIM even grow 2 marijuana plants and a coca tree in front garden feet from the road, no one cares, not even police.



Crash; you dont "convert" opium into morphine, you extract it. But its wasteful, massively wasteful.

And let me tell you, unless your growing a half acre or more of poppies, extracting alkaloids is a HUGE waste. You will lose ALOT of the alkaloid content and will end up basically getting 1/5th as many doses from the crop.

Just cook the opium, run it through a bubble bag (search for hash bubble bags - SWIM uses 73micron bag), and then take chunks of opium from the gob and drop into hot water, let cool, and drink.

Pod tea is NASTY, SWIM cannot stomach it, but when SWIM cooks out the latex, and then makes tea using the opium latex (dissolving a chunk into hot water), it has very little taste and is much much better. SWIM uses opium tea for hardcore 6-hour sexcapades. Wanna f**k for hours on end without busting your load? One word; opiates. Wanna impress a new chick with a 6 hour f**kfest? One word; opiates. Wont impede the ability to pop wood, but makes it impossible to climax until it wears off, guaranteed 6-hour+ of fun with opium tea. Not long enough? Methadone, 24 hour f**kfest. Too long? Fentanyl, 1 hour f**kfest. Customize your duration.


SWIM has made morphine base, morphine HCl, and diacetylmorphine, and SWIM tells you its a HUGE waste of a crop unless you are growing very large amounts and intend to SELL the product. If its personal use and a small crop, just cook out the opium and make tea with it. This gives you the most bang for your time. DONT smoke it, thats another huge waste. SWIY will get much more mileage out of SWIYs crop if SWIY just cooks the opium out and makes it into tea, or make pod tea if you can handle the nasty taste but its a more enjoyable experience in SWIMs opinion to cook the opium out and use that putty for tea.

Lancing is also a waste if for personal use for tea. If SMOKING, then lance so you dont need smoke as much. After lancing, chop the pod and boil it out to get every last drop, but dont mix it with the lanced opium as the lanced opium is stronger thus better for smoking unless you wanna spend 2-3 hours smoking opium just to get a decent buzz. Just chop the pods off, cut them into 4-8 pieces, throw em in the pot seeds and all. Once the plants done, rip it out, cook the entire plant (roots, leaves, stalks, etc.).

SWIY can also harvest before pods by harvesting meconium via sepal, stalk, and leaf lancing. Meconium is opium not from the pod. Sepal lancing is especially decent yielding. The sepals are the "covers" over the bud before the flower forces them open. The plant will drop the sepals, so lancing them before hand will have little impact on the pod. Just be careful not to cut too deep into the sepal or you will cut the pretty flower SWIMs also gotten decent amounts of meconium from leaf and stalk lancing.

[samuraigecko]

Err, extensive studies have shown that the alkaloid content (especially the Morphine and Codeine content) is almost non-existent in the latex (sap) of the leaves and stem.

So small in fact that one would need the latex of about 100 plants worth of leaves and stems to even reach the level that one pod has.

The same studies have also shown that Morphine is pretty much exclusively produced in the ripening pods alone. The pods produce this "sap" as a means of defense from predators which is why it is pretty much only produced in the pod.

Trying to bleed stems and leaves is useless, do not bother doing it unless one wants to damage perfectly good plants.

Opium from cooking can be just as potent as Opium from laceration (when done properly, it can actually be stronger).

Some people get more of a buzz from eating / drinking the Opium. This is usually because they have high Codeine content strains. If one has a known high Morphine content strain they will do fine smoking either freshly dried latex or CFO.

SWIM himself combines both the latex and his freshly dried pod matter into the pot to make his CFO. He believes that this way Everything is extracted.

Even in S.E.Asia and other Opium producing countries, they "cook" their Opium. In fact there is only 1 mountain tribe (in Laos SWIM believes) that does not cook their Opium before sale or use. (As is mentioned many times over SWIM got this knowledge first hand while there, he goes back there often, and recently was there again . . in the mountains . . in the mountains).

SWIM believes that with his new Ethanol / CFO TEK that he will surpass most peoples expectations of even the best Opium or CFO.

[minniet]

samuraigecko said:

SWIM believes that with his new Ethanol / CFO TEK

Has this been posted?

Thanks
Minniet

[samuraigecko]

Not as yet, it is complete but he has to type up all of his notes. Very Very Soooon. It will be posted along with the quick reference guide.

Peace

[cra$h]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51156

there's the link on how to extract morphine from opium, of course by the all-knowing samurai