Setting - Pod Tea severly weakened by sleep deprivation?

[EyesOfTheWorld]

SWIM has himself a great batch of pods right now, 5 mediums in slurry form always do the trick and last all day, no redose needed.......except today. Last night SWIM could not sleep at all, no drugs were involved save for 3 beers over several hours and the 10mgs diazepam (legal Rx) that SWIM takes every night. Anyway, SWIM found himself reading a book and he got really into it, decided to finish it all that night, and before SWIM knew it, it was 7 am. SWIM took a quick nap till about 9 am when he couldn't sleep anymore due to noise/light/etc. So he got up, feeling ok but tired, no hangover or anything, but the morning opie wd's were coming on, as his last slurry was noon the previous day. He made his usual 5 pod slurry, drank it and reported to me that although it killed his w/d, there were no other effects. Now, as i have said, SWIM tells me 5 pods ALWAYS give him a nice all day glow when used in slurry.
So, he waits an hour or so, and takes 2 more pods. Nothing but continued wd relief and a very slight nod that could just be his body wanting to sleep.
Anyone experience this with pods (or any euphoria-inducing moderate-to-strong opie)?

[gmeziscool2354]

it sounds like tolerance is also a factor in this.

swim felt with pods that tolerance was non-existant, then one day, boom, it took twice his usual dose (don't recall what it was then) to get the same effects

[samuraigecko]

The tolerance curve is a strange thing. In a fair number of people it can curve up sharply.

There are also other factors working here though -

Since SWIyou didnt sleep and decided to remain awake and read instead, SWIyour body was working harder and not using the slowing of metabolism that it uses when going into sleep. This continued faster metabolism made use of all of the opiates and infact used them all up before it usually would when a sleep period is present.

This is why withdrawal was experienced early, and if a strong or moderate withdrawal is present then a normal dosage will only kill the withdrawal symptoms and not produce any euphoria. To experience euphoria when withdrawing a larger dosage is needed. Here is where one needs to be careful because this is where people develop tolerance and addiction easily.

Peace

[killersnowman]

this situation was happening to swim regularly for the past couple of months (swims involved taking a dose in the morn and then redosing at night and not feeling the euphoria of the second dose but still knew he had taken something). recently swim started taking multi vitamins that basicly fixed most of everything. now swim enjoys both doses....

some relevant threads:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77624
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79215

[samuraigecko]

Vitamins improved the metabolism perhaps? Allowing the opiates to be used more efficiently because of improved liver function, gastric health (there are opiate receptors in the GIT too remember) and over all bodily health promoting the body to work the way it should.

Peace

[cra$h]

no effects are definitly from tolerance. But the vitamine situation is definitly strange. From going from nothing to noteworty, it doesn't seem like vitamines could pll the trick like that.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by cra$h

no effects are definitly from tolerance.

SWIM disagrees in this instance. Tolerance cannot be the culprit as it is only the second dosage of the day that was not effective. Tolerance is an across the board build up (meaning that increased dosage would be required all the time, not just in one dosage).

Peace

[G_nome]

Swim just acquired some multi-vitamins after reading this thread, worth a try innit!
He could probably do with the extra vitamins anyway, he's been eating terribly of late and has not been feeling 100% probably as a result.
Only 97p for 20 effervescent multi-vitamins too, bargain that.

[killersnowman]

swim has also added L-Tyrosine to his diet. it is a precursor to levodopa and is converted in the adrenal gland. i guess it cant hurt. swim just started today. something else interesting: L-Tyrosine is used by the opium poppy to make morphine.... very full circle.

[G_nome]

Yeah swim read on here some time ago that L-Tyrosine can help with energy levels or summit when one is withdrawing from opiates.
Swim's gonna get some of that too soon he thinks.