Experiences - Low dose mescaline? Is like what?

[PitfromGreece]

SWIM started having an interest in mescaline recently due to the really good reviews of the drug and a study that shows a lack of side effects in long term users - even significant positive results in "emotional functioning" in a large number of subjects.

As the classification of mescaline is Psychedelic Phenethylamine, SWIM was wondering how it compares to other synthetic Phenethylamines (RC's, amphetamines, ecstasy) in non psychedelic doses.

What SWIM is trying to find is if there are potentials of mescaline in low doses as a social drug. Giving you a good mood, a little extra energy, make you talkative and being functional at the same time.

Any experiences with low non psychedelic doses?

[Wolfman Knows]

Swim just did some today, took about 1/3 of the full dose, which is normally 12" to 13" long of san pedro, swims made about 12 or so oz of juice using the erowid method. swim actually burnt his, so not sure if swims potency stayed, but swim feels nice, swims jaw is a little tense, but swim has only noticed effects when calm, not when walking or moving about, just when swim slowed down and relaxed, and the effects are very light. Swim will try to double the dose next time, will let you know how it woks out. Swim was also wonder if pedro could be used mildly to enjoy throughout the day but still be functional. So far in low doses yes, but not what swim was looking for.

[PitfromGreece]

Thank you for describing SWIY's experience with san pedro.

In any case that SWIY is interested to continue his experiences with cacti SWIM found non USA companies that sell dried san pedro incense that supposedly smells really good, that is because they use only the skin of the cactus.

[readeadamie]

Beware! SWIM ordered a kilo of "San Pedro incense" from peru which turned out to be pure mescaline sulfate. SWIM took 800mg on his first try. An unpleasant experience to say the least. I was violently ill wandering about near main roads in the city when one of SWIM's friends came across SWIM. People were stopping there cars, rolling down there windows and staring at SWIM in disbelief. Tracers of the cars stretched along the whole road and SWIM was convinced that he was in the desert in Utah.

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[ElectroStep]

SWIM speaks:

I'm quite a fan of low doses (around 20g of dried chips.) It creates a nice long mood lift, with a sense of well being & calm. I can't say I've noticed any real extra energy boost at these doses, but it definitely adds a nice atmosphere to an afternoon.

It's basically the same thing you get after a full dose has worn off & you can just relax into a long afterglow.

[PitfromGreece]

Beware! SWIM ordered a kilo of "San Pedro incense" from peru which turned out to be pure mescaline sulfate. SWIM took 800mg on his first try. An unpleasant experience to say the least. I was violently ill wandering about near main roads in the city when one of SWIM's friends came across SWIM. People were stopping there cars, rolling down there windows and staring at SWIM in disbelief. Tracers of the cars stretched along the whole road and SWIM was convinced that he was in the desert in Utah.

SWIY is lucky that took only 800mg, this is the most interesting drug experience I have read in a while.

I'm quite a fan of low doses (around 20g of dried chips.) It creates a nice long mood lift, with a sense of well being & calm. I can't say I've noticed any real extra energy boost at these doses, but it definitely adds a nice atmosphere to an afternoon.

It's basically the same thing you get after a full dose has worn off & you can just relax into a long afterglow.

Thank you for describing SWIY's experience, could you ask SWIY if he thinks a low dose cactus can have potentials as a social drug, (giving you a good time while being out with friends).

[ElectroStep]

Swim says:
It definitely works as a social drug at these dose (20/25g). The last time I took such a dose was an afternoon in late summer hanging around with friends watching a few local bands play. I had a fantastic time & the cactus added a lot to that. All the low doses I've tried have been in social situations & it hasn't let me down.

[69Ron]

Originally Posted by PitfromGreece

SWIM started having an interest in mescaline recently due to the really good reviews of the drug and a study that shows a lack of side effects in long term users - even significant positive results in "emotional functioning" in a large number of subjects.

I too have read nothing but good reports of long term peyote usage. It seems to actually be good for your health. People eating peyote have been shown to get sick less often than non peyote users.

Originally Posted by PitfromGreece

As the classification of mescaline is Psychedelic Phenethylamine, SWIM was wondering how it compares to other synthetic Phenethylamines (RC's, amphetamines, ecstasy) in non psychedelic doses.

Mescaline is usually considered superior to the other phenethylamines.

Originally Posted by PitfromGreece

What SWIM is trying to find is if there are potentials of mescaline in low doses as a social drug. Giving you a good mood, a little extra energy, make you talkative and being functional at the same time.

Yes absolutely. SWIM has recently been using mescaline HCl in the 50-75 mg range. AT that dose for SWIM it’s mostly just a pleasant stimulant and mood enhancer with aphrodisiac effects. SWIM is speaking of purified mescaline hydrochloride extracted from San Pedro or Peruvian Torch, and not whole cactus which is a little different.

A 50-75 mg dose is fantastic. One feels slightly energized, content and peaceful, conversation is easy and quite fun to engage in, social interaction feels more meaningful and spontaneous, creativity is slightly increased, and there’s a happy playfulness one feels. It’s easier to feel connected to others. You feel a sense of empathy. Humor comes easily and is quite satisfying. Sex is also improved, and for the man stamina is improved. It’s a great social drug just as long as the dose is kept low. At higher hallucinogenic doses, it is not at all a social drug but more of a spiritual experience.

For SWIM low doses go really well with a strong cup of coffee which brings out some of the psychedelic qualities even at such a low dose. Coffee somewhat increases the psychedelic and euphoric effects of mescaline. It’s a great combination.

SWIM is a little more sensitive to mescaline than others. So that 50-75 mg range might be a bit too small for some other people. For SWIM mescaline HCl becomes psychedelic at 100 mg. At 200 mg it's a rich psychedelic experience. At 300 mg its is a heavy psychedelic experience from him.

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[PitfromGreece]

Thank you both for describing SWIY's interesting experiences. SWIM appreciates the input as he is trying to decide if he is going to place a somewhat large order (minimum 900gr) of dry San Pedro powder. SWIM is thinking to make a San Pedro tincture, both for self life and easiness to ingest.

69Ron, has SWIY tried San Pedro cactus? if yes could you ask him how it compares to pure mescaline?

[69Ron]

Originally Posted by PitfromGreece

69Ron, has SWIY tried San Pedro cactus? if yes could you ask him how it compares to pure mescaline?

San Pedro is smoother than pure mescaline, more mellow, not as jolting, but not by much. It’s close enough that some people might have a hard time telling the two apart.

Peruvian Torch is extremely close to pure mescaline. SWIM cannot really tell the difference.

Achuma is very dreamy and sedating at first and very unlike mescaline until a few hours pass and the dreamy sedating effect starts to give way to a more mescaline like experience. This is the least like pure mescaline of the three. Peyote is even less like pure mescaline.

If looking for a mescaline like experience, I would not recommend Achuma or Peyote. I would recommend San Pedro over Peruvian Torch because Peruvian Torch is unreliable. Sometimes Peruvian Torch is very strong and other times it does nothing at all, while San Pedro pretty much always works.

The difference in effects between Peruvian Torch and San Pedro is small and some people might not notice the difference. Some batches of San Pedro are pretty much identical in effects to pure mescaline.

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[PitfromGreece]

Thank you for the information, it is really helpful!

[PitfromGreece]

SWIM has a little social anxiety in social gatherings, is not serious, but he cannot enjoy himself as much as he would like. Thoughts that he might appear anxious to other people and the urge to make a good impression does not let him be calm and enjoy himself at all times.

I was wondering if SWIY from his experience can make a comment on this, does he think that ingesting a low dose of San Pedro cactus can make the situetion better or worse for SWIM?

From your description of SWIY's experiences it seems that the cactus will make things better I was wondering if you can make a few more comments on this issue.

conversation is easy and quite fun to engage in, social interaction feels more meaningful and spontaneous

This is how SWIM feels anyway with good company after speaking with them half hour or so. It is weird SWIM always feels anxiety with people that do not know very well, but if the conversation is good he can be very talkative and in a good mood. SWIM would like to be at this mood so he can start talking with strange women in the bus, street etc. Do you have any idea if San Pedro could help with this?

[CrookedEye]

SWIM extracted a kilo of dried torch chips from a peruvian vendor, and extracted about 10-11grams of white and some off white/slightly tan crystals, with HCl as the salting acid. The darker stuff was washed with acetone and pulled most of the color, but still has a very slight off white color to it. The first batch in which he measured the acid, he pulled nearly pure white crystals, and at a dose of 500mgs he had a nice buzz, but was mellow. A few trails and nice awake buzz for the better part of 10 hours, but nothing earth shattering. He is going to eat a gram tonight and will report back if this is a bit more where he'd like to go.

1g of mescaline HCl and possible other tricho alks, white crystalline substance, gave much more pronounced effects, and decent visuals.. For more insight SWIM thinks gram and a half may be the way to breakthrough..

[69Ron]

Originally Posted by PitfromGreece

SWIM has a little social anxiety in social gatherings, is not serious, but he cannot enjoy himself as much as he would like. Thoughts that he might appear anxious to other people and the urge to make a good impression does not let him be calm and enjoy himself at all times.

Originally Posted by PitfromGreece

I was wondering if SWIY from his experience can make a comment on this, does he think that ingesting a low dose of San Pedro cactus can make the situetion better or worse for SWIM?

It will improve it A LOT. It makes you feel an emotional connection to others while at the same time shielding you from negativity. You feel so warm hearted and happy. I can’t imagine feeling uncomfortable at all around people on a low dose of mescaline. It’s probably the best social enhancer there is. I’m talking about low doses only (50-80 mg or so).

[PitfromGreece]

This is GREAT, I can imagine that SWIM could not wait for his 1kg dried San Pedro chips to arrive.

From what SWIY wrote before San Pedro would have the same effects like mescaline, right? Apart from the injection part what SWIY prefers mescaline, or San Pedro?

It’s probably the best social enhancer there is

SWIM hopes that this is true, have SWIY ever tried Amphetamines for this purpose? Seem to work amazingly good for SWIM (adderall). Nice mood, much more extroverted,extra smart, but unfortunately SWIM could not find them anymore.

Have SWIY noticed any side effects after many repeated doses in these low doses?

[Lady Codone]

I'd say it's like turning up the senses a notch: sharper vision, brighter colors, more joy in everyday sounds, and enhanced taste/smell. For SWIM, mescaline in rec. doses caused a weird alternating stimulation/exhaustion, so I don't know whether that'd be the case with SWIY. SWIY'd definitely be able to carry a conversation, think clearly, and follow instructions, but with a minimal change in perception and the 5 senses.

As a side note, mescaline is a very fun, innocuous psychedelic, especially in moderate doses. It's hard to have a "bad trip" because everything just seems carefree and upbeat. Of course SWIY should respect it as a mind altering substance, but I'd recommend it to first-time trippers afraid of a bad experience.

[PitfromGreece]

Could anyone here compare mescaline and amphetamine (Adderall, Dexedrine) in social settings?

SWIM likes adderall alot in social and non social settings.

[Lady Codone]

SWIM is a fan of stimulants as well, but has never tried Adderall, meth, etc. Only ephedrine and propylhexedrine. Some people find mescaline to be stimulating with ecstasy-like properties, while others (like SWIMself) find it more sedating. The only way to know is to try it!

[PitfromGreece]

SWIM is waiting for his 1kg shipment of dried cactus to arrive and he really cannot wait!

Maybe SWIY found mescaline sedating because in cacti there are some sedating alkaloids apart from mescaline, as 69Ron said above the Peruvian torch should be closer to pure mescaline. SWIM bought San Pedro this time,but next time (quite soon) he would put an order for the torch.

Unfortunately you cannot find adderall in any country in Europe, but if I was in USA and wanted, good mood, clear and quick thinking, being more social, I would definitely try adderall

take care,

[lucian]

SWIM finally got round to sampling his San Pedro, which he played safe with dose of just 40g. SWIM did not expect much from this dose but with no experience of similar cacti or mescaline thought it would be a worthwhile starting point. He decided to go for a walk in the country.

Bizarrely there was not any nausea whatsoever, not even a hint, and whilst unpleasant the taste was not as bitter as some other concoctions SWIM had tasted over the years. At this dose the effects felt were mainly physical; SWIM had some minor loss of motor coordination and a slight ‘drunk’ feeling across the head but the rest of SWIM’s body felt like it was tripping. There was that snotty, stomach-turning, prickly skin feeling that SWIM gets whenever he trips and on top of this a kind pronounced buzzing energy quite unlike anything else SWIM has ever experienced. It was not particularly pleasant when sitting still but with constant movement was not noticed at all.

Mentally there was a slight altered state, some probing questions, some perceptual confusion but all quite mild. There was no difficulty in expressing thoughts through language and whilst shying away from human contact with strangers, conversation was no problem when undertaken. There was an increased empathy for animals. There was an increased awareness of the landscape SWIM was in, and SWIM became interested in making metaphors to describe the environment.

There were no visuals whatsoever at this dose however colours seemed more contrasted and the sky seemed to be more luminescent and full of artistic compositions of clouds and plane exhaust. Music did not seem much altered or anything special but the bird songs seemed odd and coming from indiscernible directions.

Even at this low dose SWIM felt a degree of anxiety, not paranoia or the dreaded fear, but just unsettled and not comfortable which the physical sensations seemed to elicit. SWIM has heard so many times people say how chilled and euphoric san pedro is but SWIM wonders whether this is because they never reach a moderate to high dose? It was neither of these for SWIM so SWIM is interested in others experiences who have tried large doses. Morning Glory seeds provide quite a body load for SWIM way before the mental effects begin, and the lassitude is such that SWIM is not interested in pushing it very far with them as a result. Does the buzzy prickly feeling get much stronger with san pedro / mescaline as the dose increases or does it sustain at a certain level. How does the body load compare to other substances? Some people say mushrooms are less pushy then LSD how does San Pedro compare?

SWIM has had experience with other psychedelics and some at quite high doses and body load is always there, however SWIM just wonders whether the body load is more prevalent with San Pedro / mescaline than say mushrooms or LSD since these effects went on far past the point the other effects faded? SWIM intends to repeat with at least 60g next time, and worth a mention was that there were no risdual effects felt the next day.

[lineartransform]

SWIM finds that the euphoria of mescaline is really only achieved with a proper psychedelic dose. Low levels simply cause an "unsettled" feeling.

For a social situation, a simple stimulant would be far, far better than low dose mescaline. Effectively zero advantages to the mescaline in this setting - keep it for a true trip!

[lucian]

That's the kind of answer SWIM was looking for, SWIM looks forward to upping the dose : )

[PitfromGreece]

For a social situation, a simple stimulant would be far, far better than low dose mescaline.

Does SWIY mean amphetamines? There are surely very good!

Have SWIY tried pure mescaline?

[rhcpeppers1234]

Swim thinks that a low dose (around 20 g's of dried skin) closely resembles MDA. That may sound weird to swiy but most of the time swim does it he always feels like he did half-a full tab of MDA. However the stomach discomfort is more apparent when taking mescaline. That damn cactus juice. NASTY!

Also swim loves to drink alcohol before taking the mescaline. To swiy that also may sound weird but swim always finds hes in a better mood throughout and it makes it easier to down!

[PitfromGreece]

Swim thinks that a low dose (around 20 g's of dried skin) closely resembles MDA.

San Pedro or Peruvian Torch?