Injecting - Effect of heat on amphetamines (strength etc?)

[BlondieUK]

Swim has a question, Swim will give an example to illustrate.

Swim is preparing a shot for intravenous injection. He adds water to the spoon, then adds his amphetamine paste/powder

Swim then gently heats the spoon until the water starts to bubble/boil slightly.

Solution is left to cool, and the obvious actions take place.

Now,does this heating of the amphetamines cause them to lose potency? Or would it have little to no effect?

If not Swim could always boil the water, then add the amphets, Swim just does it the other way because "cooking" also helps the amphets dissolve.

Does anyone have any information regarding this?

Thankyou =)

[cobetcknncoio3]

if heated too much, it can and will burn, and then it'll be no good. however, as far as SWIM knows, usual cooking prior to injection doesn't do anything to it.

btw what is it SWIY is using (adderall)? and is it xr or instant release? cause the extended release binding, no matter how finely crushed it is, will seriously fuck up your vein. you probly know that already, but just sayin, just in case you didnt know

[cra$h]

swim didn't know about the xr. Shit, and of course that's all swim can get... lucky he's not at the point of injection.

[cobetcknncoio3]

personally, SWIM is apprehensive of injecting in general, although he is somewhat curious about how much the speed rush would be injected. you wouldn't get less absorbtion from the stomach acids, like orally, or lose any in the drip without it absorbing into the nasal mucus membraned, like with snorting. and it would cross the blood-brain barrier instantly, SWIM would imagine.

[BlondieUK]

Swim is hypothetically using base amphetamine, which when dissolved leaves a clear colourless solution.

Swim can attest that injecting amphetamines gives the most intense rush, followed by insuflation and then oral administration, however it is also the most dangerous and also by far the most addictive method, so unless Swiu is extremely confident in their self control, Swim would urge against trying it.

Swim is fairly sure that heating to a gentle boil does not affect potency, after a hypothetical (of course) test, however if there is any scientific or factual information on whether this is true or not he would be interested.

[hyperbolical]

Swim is also from the UK and bangs up, quite clean street base/paste on a semi-regular basis and when he cooks up he lits it boil in the spoon for a about half a second then it usually has cooked up clean swim personally dos not think that it really affects the potency to much if at all. P.S when you hit up do you get that nice lovely taste in the back of your throght!

hyperbolical added 2 Minutes and 20 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by hyperbolical

P.S when you hit up do you get that nice lovely taste in the back of your throght!

Oops Forgot to say swiy

[cobetcknncoio3]

Well, amphetamine melts at around 536 degrees F. and since SWIY just heats the amphetamine/water solution until it boils (water boils at 200 some degrees F, dont remember exactly), SWIM would expect the amphetamine isn't heated enough to be affected. but then again, SWIM's just using his logic, and doesn't know of any conclusive facts regarding the effecs of heat on amphetamines potency. but the temperatures SWIY's talking about probably wouldn't do anything.

[hyperbolical]

Originally Posted by cobetcknncoio3

Well, amphetamine melts at around 536 degrees F.

Are these figures for the salt form of amphetamine or amphetamine base. Because the dominant form of street amphetamine in the UK is the base form.

[cobetcknncoio3]

SWIM's pretty sure that those figures apply to both base and salt forms. here in the united states, SWIM is pretty sure that amphetamine salts are more prevalent, since, for the most part, recreational amphetamines (aside from street methamphetamine) are in the form of pharmeceutical meds, like adderall, and dexedrine, which are in salt form.

[BlondieUK]

Ahh thanks, the information regarding boiling points was spot on and exactly what Swim was looking for.

Swim can't say he gets the taste, but he certainly feels the rush after the first few ml!

[cobetcknncoio3]

well damn, injection would give someone 100 percent bioavailability, as opposed to 25-75 percent from oral or snorted, not a bit wasted. lol, SWIM heard that JFK himself liked an occasional intravenous shot of amphetamine.

[BlondieUK]

Update:

Swim has an interesting case, possibly fellow swimmers could offer their knowledge?

Swim cooked some fresh water, then added amphetamine sulphate, amphetamines were of good strong quality from what he could tell.

When amphetamines were added to the water, the water became cloudy, however heating this made the solution clear.

Swim drew the clear solution into the syringe. Swim then left this to roll a cigarette, as he returned, and the water within the syringe had cooled, swim noticed that a great deal of the solution had congealed and was a large white lump within the syringe.

Swim then ejected the solution back into the spoon, leaving the large white clump in the syringe.

Swim gets another syringe, draws the solution, shoots, scores.

Now swim is wondering.. in heating the solution, did he unknowingly turn the various cuts into a liquid form? Which on cooling resumed their solid state?

If so Swim would advise anyone NOT to heat their amphetamine solution, as if these cuts congeal in the blood it could turn out very badly.

Unfortunately it's too late for Swim, as he only noticed this after a while, so if he stops posting here..

What do fellow swimmers think caused this? Is Swim's theory right?

Edit:

Swim is still swimming.

Swim found he has to heat both the amphetamines and water, draw into a syringe, wait for the cuts to congeal, eject solution back into spoon, then use a new syringe/clean out the old syringe and draw the solution, which is now clear.

The congealed substance has the texture of cotton, like a very, very saturated lump of cigarette filter or cotton. Only has the faintest taste of amphetamine (due to being in the solution).

Swim wants to know what the fuck this stuff is?!?!

BlondieUK added 647 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...

Update:

Swim found that adding a small amount of Ascorbic Acid to the mixture (amphetamine sulphate, water, abscorbic acid) allows everything to dissolve properly.

Swim is guessing that this is dissolving the cuts, as opposed to simply melting them down and allowing them to solidify once the temperature cools.

Swim has some sitting in a syringe, it's been around 45 minutes and the mixture is still nice and clear.

Still no idea what those fucking cuts are though..