Drug info - Yopo snuff questions

[iamsparrow]

Swim plans on trying yopo snuff for the first time next week and is looking for some clarification on a few things.

Swim has done plenty of research and it seems as though the snuff is far more potent than smoking the seeds.

Swim has bought enough seeds to experiment around.

It seems that the potency of the seeds varies greatly depending on both the seed itself and personal tolerance.

Swim is going to try the snuff first. Swim does not have access to lime but will use baking soda instead.

How does the pain of snorting yopo compare to the pain of snorting tabs/mali?

Swim has snorted tabs a few times and found the pain to be quite uncomfortable but does not know how it compares to yopo.

Swim has heard from many accounts that the pain was unbearable for some and virtually effortless for others.

Does the amount of pain depend more on the type of base used (baking soda/lime) or how finely ground the snuff is?

For those who have had a relatively pain free experience with yopo, how does the consistency of your snuff compare to others?

It seems that using a stone mortar and pestle is one of the best ways to ensure that the snuff is ground as finely as possible.

Also, Swim has noticed that many people say they had a positive experience with yopo snuff, yet are reluctant to explain the effects of their trip. (with/without hallucinations?... strength of hallucinations?... body high?... Change in general consciousness?...)

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The hell are 'tabs/mali'? Slang makes you hard to understand!

[69Ron]

Originally Posted by iamsparrow

How does the pain of snorting yopo compare to the pain of snorting tabs/mali?

Does the amount of pain depend more on the type of base used (baking soda/lime) or how finely ground the snuff is?

For those who have had a relatively pain free experience with yopo, how does the consistency of your snuff compare to others?

Snorting yopo isn’t that painful if the right amount of base is used. The base is only painful if either too much is used, or the reaction wasn’t complete. It’s best to use pH paper to determine the amount of base to add. You want the snuff to have a pH of 9.5-10.5, so sodium bicarbonate is not going to work well. Mix 5 parts dried hulled seeds finely ground with 1 part calcium hydroxide. Add enough water to make it wet, but not watery, sort of like wet clay. Knead it for about 10 minutes, and then check the pH. It should be about 10.5. It will drop as the calcium hydroxide reacts further. It takes a long time for the calcium hydroxide to react. If the pH is lower than 9.5, add 1 part more calcium hydroxide, a little more water, then knead for 10 minutes and test the pH. If it’s still lower than 9.5, add more, etc. If the pH is over 11 or higher, then too much calcium hydroxide was added. In that case, add more ground seed material and more water.

You need to let the snuff react after mixing it. If you smell ammonia, then the reaction is not complete. You need to mix it more and give it more time to react. It’s best to let it sit and react overnight covered in the refrigerator (to prevent spoilage). The following morning remove it, knead it a little, it should no longer smell like ammonia. At that point it’s done. Dry it in an oven at about 212 F until it’s bone dry.

If done right, the final pH of the snuff is 9.5-10.5. If not, the snuff was made wrong.

Yopo snuff is very inconsistent in potency. SWIM prefers extracting and purifying the bufotenine.

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	thanks for the pH info lacking in other recipes
	valuable information about ph

[iamsparrow]

Swim has had time to experiment and realized that his seeds were totally bunk. I read up on plenty of your a/b extractions and Swim would like to try them in the future. but for now a simple preparation is easy for Swim to handle... Swim is still a noob and has not yet had a real breakthrough yopo experience.

Swim found the pain to be tolerable but swim has a difficult time snorting anything. (something to do with swims nasal cavity lol)

Swim has 20 seeds and would like to try smoking some. swim feels confident that these are real a. peregrina seeds because the supplier cultivates the seeds in the u.s. and also offers a. columbrina seeds at a similar price.

Swim heard that smoking is effective if the seeds are real a. peregrina and are prepared properly. Swim heard that adding ammonia to the wet mix helps make for a more potent smoke. Swim does not have access to lime or any other non-grocery store chemicals

how should swim prepare the smoke mix?

[Haze-halo]

A friend of mine recently tried yopo snuff, prepared using 4 Anadenanthera Peregrina seeds with calcium hydroxide. He reported only very mild effects that were outweighed almost entirely with vomiting and nausea, which contrasts significantly to reported effects of intense hallucinations, etc, even though the snuff was prepared in exact accordance to traditional methods of preparation (roasted seeds, ground up with pestle and mortar with lime powder, mixed with small amount of water, left to dry, powdered and then insufflated). He said that he read somewhere that the seeds are supposed to be green on the inside, whereas his were brown. I am wondering whether perhaps the seeds were old/dead, meaning that the resident DMT chemicals had been greatly diminished, causing the experience to be as such.

Is this correct? He said it would be of great importance to discover why it was that the experience was highly unsuccessful, whether it was his method of prep. or whether it was actually the seeds that were ineffective.

Any help here is highly appreciated.

[shogun875]

If kept in a cool, dry, dark place the seeds should last a very long time so SWIM doubts their age had much to do with it and seeds are usually brown. they were probably just not very good seeds, SWIY should try some from a different vendor. The quality of yopo seeds varies drastically unfortunately

[ShroomShaman666]

swim recently bought yopo seeds mixed a 3 part yopo 1 part Calcium Hydroxide and then moistened it and let it dry about 48 hours. SWIM then pulverized it in SWIM's mortar and pestle until it was a fine powder. SWIM snorted about 4-5 seeds worth and reported feeling mildly high then vomiting for the next half hour with no distortions of reality, hallucinations, or anything other than a brief sickness with lasting effects throughout the day. can anyone very experienced in preparing highly hallucinagenic yopo snuff tell me what SWIM is doing wrong? thanks!

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[Akira_dk3]

Originally Posted by ShroomShaman666

swim recently bought yopo seeds mixed a 3 part yopo 1 part Calcium Hydroxide and then moistened it and let it dry about 48 hours. SWIM then pulverized it in SWIM's mortar and pestle until it was a fine powder. SWIM snorted about 4-5 seeds worth and reported feeling mildly high then vomiting for the next half hour with no distortions of reality, hallucinations, or anything other than a brief sickness with lasting effects throughout the day. can anyone very experienced in preparing highly hallucinagenic yopo snuff tell me what SWIM is doing wrong? thanks!

I think its bad seeds

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by Akira_dk3

I think its bad seeds

Not necessarily - SWIM bought a largish batch of seeds and had yopo experiences from them that varied from very powerful to mild to non-existent. It does seem to be quite dependent on how you make the stuff. SWIM's advice is to buy a decent amount (several ounces) of seeds and to be prepared for it not to work too well the first few times until you start to hone your technique.

SWIM found it's easy to burn to the seeds when heating them to pop off the husks, so be careful at this stage - you don't want to destroy the alkaloids with excess heat.

[AtomicMushRoom]

AFAIK one more thing that matters about vomitting, is not to swallow the snuff as it comes through your nose to your mouth

[ShroomShaman666]

Originally Posted by Routemaster Flash

Not necessarily - SWIM bought a largish batch of seeds and had yopo experiences from them that varied from very powerful to mild to non-existent. It does seem to be quite dependent on how you make the stuff. SWIM's advice is to buy a decent amount (several ounces) of seeds and to be prepared for it not to work too well the first few times until you start to hone your technique.

SWIM found it's easy to burn to the seeds when heating them to pop off the husks, so be careful at this stage - you don't want to destroy the alkaloids with excess heat.

Last night SWIMS friend tried some snuff from the same batch that SWIM described a couple weeks ago (had 2-3 seeds worth of snuff left over) and SWIMS friend tripped BALLS. What happened??? Does the oxidization that could have occured over the past 2 weeks make a difference. I remember hearing about oxidizing yopo.