Effects - Kratom Compared to Pharmaceutical Opiates

[award11]

Chris has never used Kratom but is curious. How does it compare to pharmaceutical opiates ? For someone who has a very high tolerance to opiates, would they get any "feeling" out of it or would it simply minimize the withdrawl ? Would it even be worth trying for someone that has a high tolerance ? ( can take 150mg of roxycontin per dose) Any imput from opiate tolerant SWIMS would be appreciated.

[OhCasey]

Swiy isnt going to feel kratom if swiy uses 150 mg's of oxycodone in a normal dose. Not even extracts can really touch someone with that kind of opiate tolerance.

[Herbal Healer 019]

When SWIM 1st tried krartom, he had virtually no tolerance. SWIM tried doses ranging from 2-5 grams 15x kratom extract from a reputable but way 2 pricey net source & had experiences ranging from mild hydrocodone/oxycodone like highs to "nodding off". Currently tho SWIMs tolerance has gone up a bit from experimenting with with various opiates/oids such as: hydrocodone, morphine, codeine, & buprenorphine pretty consistantly (1-3x a week every week) so his latest kratom experiences seem to be less noticable but compareable to low doses of poppy tea. i would imagine any1 with a high tolerance to opiates would get little to no effect from kratom leaf & would have to take large doses of extracts to get any significant effect.

[DXMBunny]

some people with no tolerance don't seem to get much of a feel...most compare it to a mild dose of any other well used opiate... swim here compares it to 5mg hydrocodone...

so for someone with that kind of tolerance don't expect more than help with withdrawal

[StrangeTrip]

Originally Posted by DXMBunny

some people with no tolerance don't seem to get much of a feel...most compare it to a mild dose of any other well used opiate... swim here compares it to 5mg hydrocodone...

so for someone with that kind of tolerance don't expect more than help with withdrawal

5 mg hydrocodone? No way, I'd say more along the lines of 20 mg with a 5 mg oxycodone like twist... for swim anyways. At higher doses kratom gets very interesting. Some people can take higher doses without the nausea and are blessed with a moderate dose oxycodone + low dose mdma like high.

[dr. swim]

You all seem to be forgetting that Kratom isn't just a sedative/painkiller, it's also a rather potent stimulant. TC, I would say SWIY would probably be less sensitive to the sedative effects but more sensitive to the stimulant effects, unless SWIY is also a speed-addict but neglected to specify...

[Commando]

Kratom is in a league of it's own really. Swim has been a daily user of this miracle plant for a couple of years. He used it to get off Rx opiates along with the poppy tea. Once withdrawal is over and done with to the synthetic opiates, the kratom really shines as an uplift to mood, energy and overall well being.

Swim currently uses plain bali leaf with the occasional enhanced product here and there for severe anxiety issues and it works great, swim considers it a miracle plant. Those seeking to get high off it are in the wrong ballpark, it is more subtle and actually works great to curb cravings to drugs/alcohol in general.

Extracts are available such as UEI/250x/Tinctures, etc. These are powerful and will give effects very similiar to real opiates but they will also shoot up your tolerance 10 fold so they should be used with care. As with any opiate-like substance, withdrawal symptoms will occur if this plant is used daily but they hardly touch the W/D from oxy or poppy tea for that matter. If you need any more information just give me a PM.

[aroidgrower]

Swim suffers from back pain and has used K with great results. It is truly a miracle plant as commando stated. From what swim has read over the past year and a half about K it has the unique trait of also having a slight tolerance regulating effect. swim does not pretend to really understand this effect but has experienced it first hand.

As also stated, extracts and enhanced products should be used with great caution and also sparingly. Swim has a little of each variety from very reputable vendors and rarely uses the extracts or uei. swim has found it better to stick with unrefined leaf and powder.

swim loves the option of switching between pharmaceuticals and K and gets almost the same exact benefit from K and also a boost in energy to boot!

No more risking high tolerance to both because of K switching between the two works very well. As stated though If used to get high and for too many days in a row tolerance can be a very real issue.

If swim can find the info on K's tolerance regulating qualities swim will give proper credit to that poster and post them here. This info was found on another forum.

[Synchronium]

SWIM reckons 500mg of krypton kratom 50x extract is about as powerful as 90-120mg dihydrocodeine, with less nausea.

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[AceOvArts]

SWIM always felt a good dose of Kratom was similar to a 10 mg dose of Hydrocodone, unfortunately swim has very limited experience with opiates only ever using Hydro, dried poppies, and a little Opium, Kratom only has a limit with SWIM as he cant get more effects than say, an equivalent 10 mg Hydro hit without becoming nauseous.

[Man5onite]

Originally Posted by AceOvArts

SWIM always felt a good dose of Kratom was similar to a 10 mg dose of Hydrocodone, unfortunately swim has very limited experience with opiates only ever using Hydro, dried poppies, and a little Opium, Kratom only has a limit with SWIM as he cant get more effects than say, an equivalent 10 mg Hydro hit without becoming nauseous.

Cyclizine is OTC in the UK right?
Swim uses that now, when he doesn't have hydroxyzine.
It is an antihistamine, but is used as a travel-sickness medicine, and for some types of nausea.
Take 1 a half hour before taking the Kratom, then a second one a half hour after taking the Kratom.
Swim doesn't get nauseaus anymore, but if he does, he just takes one of them, and they work fairly quickly!
Swims friend uses the "half hour before, half hour after" remedy, and has almost eliminated his nausea.

[AceOvArts]

SWIM uses ginger to stop nausea but will bare your suggestion in mind as ginger only works for mid level nausea

[Panacee]

Originally Posted by AceOvArts

SWIM uses ginger to stop nausea but will bare your suggestion in mind as ginger only works for mid level nausea

How does Swiy take ginger, and how much to stop nausea?
(Swim is an unexperienced ginger-user).

[wtfdustinwtf]

Frist the person the bulletin poster was talking about,, has one amazing tolerance and SWIM wonders how a person would let there self get to that, but SWIM does partial understand. SWIM finds kratom to be very similar to hydrocodone,, the amount of kratom he took was equal to about 40 mg of hydo c. SWIM likes both for different reasons and thinks both have there special abilities to suit certain needs.

[AceOvArts]

SWIM uses 1-1.5g (or 3 capsules) of capped root ginger found in SWIMs local health food store

[Panacee]

Thanks!
Swim found his maximum dose of kratom, but sometimes takes a little to much (strange that something like 1g can make a difference). This nausea ruins the experience. Swim is gonna look out for those caps, hope it helps.

[Pete28]

Kratom is truly different from synthetic opiates and if swyk can take 150mg to get an effect then there is no dose of kratom that could even come close to that feeling.

Now SWIM has had similar low level opiate feelings from kratom but more so he energy levels as opposed to the nodding off feeling.

Peace

[Panacee]

True, but Swim likes the fact that he can have a normal life with kratom. This is harder with the 'real opiates'.
The nodding- and dreaming effect with kratom is still worth it. Especially with high doses: mostly after an hour or two, when you lay down, you fall from one dream into another. Of course it is not so strong, and the 'feeling' is less, but the next day you can go to work without being sick and craving for more.

[Pete28]

SWIM totally agrees. Kratom is truly a wonderful plant to be enjoyed by everyone and really needs expirementation by labs to be able to be utilize by everyone.


Peace