Ketamine compared to DXM

[jduba]

SWIM tried his first vial of K the other night used the set method (just
letting it sit for a couple) after his first couple bumps started
entering hole and after the first 15mins the whole experience was like
a high dose DXM trip.

Tried many more times and the same thing (dont know why SWIM expected
experience to change) SWIM knows that they are both dissociative drugs but for
some reason was expecting a whole different experience. purchased in an
unopen vial so it couldnt have been DXM. any thoughts? insight?
conformations? no that dissapointed cause SWIM loves DXM but wondering if
it is like this for most?

[Earl Grey]

K felt pretty much like a third plateau DXM trip to SWIM, yeah, only it came on much faster.

[jduba]

thanks man wasnt sure if it may have been body chem. or just personal
experience. i've found that with a couple more runs with the K at
varied doses that a more intense high/dissasociation is reached. let me
know SWIYs thoughts or personal comparisions between the two. thanks

[ferox]

Right people, what's the difference between the two trips? SWIM has done DXM once before (after coke and e) and was quite dissapointed. He had a 10ml bottle of Robitussin to himself, found effects similar to very smallline of ketamine.Is this normal?Edited by: ferox

[jrock0069]

Low doses of DXM can feel very similar to Ketamine but when one takes higher doses the two have substantial differences. While in a K-hole, one literally feels every part of the body flying through tunnels. A fourth level plateau on DXM is a lot more chaotic and it lasts much longer. Both of them are very good but for SWIM Ketamine is better. A few things SWIM likes about K are that it takes effect in only a few minutes and it's easier to control the high. With DXM one has to wait 1-2 hours before feeling effects and each trip can have different effects. If K is easily accessible to one then SWIM would deffinately recommed trying it.

[serpent]

to get to a ketamine state on dxm would require well over a gram of dxm,maybe 2. thats 100 times the medical dose and could be very harmful. taking k recreationally one is using far less than the medical dose and are therefore so much safer doing it. if one has a choice, definately k.

[ferox]

Yeah, K is easily accessible to SWIM. SWIM just got interested in DXM due to money problems. Looks like it's K all the way then

[genaro]

900mg dxm is perfect


(don't go over 1500mg which is said to be the maximum heavy dose on erowid: dxm starts beeing toxic at 1700mg, and there is a risk of death over 2500mg )Edited by: genaro

[Freemind]

SWIM read in the forum that one should not mix DXM with XTC. SWIM has not tried DMX yest, but often rolls on XTC and when at the peak of the XTC, he trips on K. In SWIM's humble opinion, K is great and it has become an integral and essential part of his (and his friends') menu when he craves for rolling and tripping. However, K is becoming less and less accessible due to the freaking war on drugs.

[ferox]

SWIM found when he ingested DXM he felt really really nauseous, and had to lie down. Again, is this expected or due to the other things he took?

[insanity]

k is weird for SWIM. SWIM never tried dxm. sometimes k is okay.
but at first it was weird.

[JewishNazi]

SWIM quite likes DXM., pitty it takes so long to come on. On his fist time he
took 200mg and didn't feel anything fater an hour so he took another
400mg. At this dose it was ok, the walls were interesting to watch, but
SWIM strongly suggests not re-dosing

[Freemind]

K was also wierd the first time SWIM tried it. However, after some research on its effects, the doses etc, SWIM learned how to handle it then he could enjoy it, perhaps too much. It is always advisable togain some knowledge of the drugs that you want to try before you actually try it. This also helps you decide whether or not to tryitwith the awareness of associated risks. If you decide to try it, you knowhow and how much to take along with the expected effects that it may have on you.


There was one time that SWIM was stupid to take C+K by snorting a corpious amount of it followed smoking a cigarette mixed with the same stuff almost immediately. It was not a very good experience. The trip was very intense and abrupt like an explosion that SWIM thought he was on his last trip and would not see another day.

[SLICE]

Ket is definately a way better experience. It's cooler than drinking a bottle of cough medicine aswell so you don;t feel like such a bum! SWIM found ketamine weird at first, he didn't really enjoy it to be honest. But SWIM went to a dance weekender event a few months ago and the ket was ABUNDANT.. SWIM did more that weekend than he'd ever done in his life previously. SWIM thinks one needs to take loads of it to have a really good time because the initial "WOW" feeling wears off pretty quickly and the 'afterglow' is pretty shit so one needs to take more.. and more.. and so on

[jojotheman]

hi SWIM is a complete begginer to ketamine/dxm but reading this forum has
made him quite curious. tell SWIM what is a good dosage for 1st time use?
will SWIM be safe if he does it just indoors with a mate and is there a
website he can order some from? answers to any of these questions will
be very helpful jd

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[vacant]

It depends on what substance SWIY'd like to try. DXM and ketamine are rather different. DXM, I'd say, is much easier to obtain than ketamine. DXM (dextromethorphan) can be found in the majority of OTC cough syrups and some cough supressant pills. If SWIY is going to try DXM, he has to make sure DXM is the ONLY ingredient. Pseudoephedrine is a big NO-NO with DXM, and Guaifenesin will make one vomit like there's no tomorrow.
Because DXM is still legal, there are some legit websites that sell it. Those are in the sources section (for gold members).
SWIM's not well versed in ketamine, however, so SWIM only knows it can be found in some pet analgesics.

My advice is to check out erowid.org. I think SWIM read everything in their DXM section before trying it.

[Phungushead]

If you want to try DXM, I would think a good dose for starters would be
about 200-250mg (depends a lot on your weight)... Indoors with a good
friend would be an ideal setting for first time. There are web
sites you can order pure from, but since they usually ship in fairly
large quantities I would recommend doing a Sucret's extraction for your
first time (very easy, search this forum - there's a thread that tells
how to do it [with pictures] somewhere) as there are a lot of people
who do not enjoy DXM. It would suck to order 10 grams and
discover you hate it.



I can't really help you on ketamine as SWIM has little experience with it.

[Freemind]

There are several ways to take Ketamine, but the most common way is to snort Ketamine in powder form. The dosage depends on the level of the trip that one wants to explore and the body weight. If it is one's first time, one may want to try snorting 10-25mg/nostril and wait 5-10 minutes to see how the effect can be handled. The on-set is usally very quick. If it is not enough one can snort another 10-25mg/nostril. It is advisable that one has some friends to watch him/her as some people will find the effect of Ketamine weird. It is also a good idea to do some research on it before one tries it. Anyway, it is not easy to obtain ketamine these days.

[phenethylamine]

I have never tried PCP. I'm not sure if I want too, either, but I've heard a lot of interesting things. If I understand correctly, K and PCP are similar in some respects. Are they? I assume PCP is a lot stronger in ways... I know a lot about getting stuck, is this similar in any way to PCP? I hear people say that PCP can make you freak out or act out violentlyif you're not operating with the right kind of head, but you can't really freak out on K because you can't even really comprehend freaking out, unless you freak out silently but even then, I don't thinkyou would be able to hurt anyone or even yourselfwhile really stuck. Is PCP just losing your ego/senses completely?

[BlueMystic]

As you know. Ketamine and PCP are both dissociatives. However, PCP is a totally different expereince. Difficult to explain, but the effects of PCP areALOT stronger. You get some intense trailing visuals and someone not in their right mind can get violent on it. The part that comes in well with the violence is that one is disconnected from any pain that the body may experience. Hence giving people that indestructable allmighty feeling. That's when you hear that people have been either stabbed/sot/tazered a number of times without it slowing them down. I believe that the adrenaline push from all that also triggers the extra super human strength that people get in these situations. You know. The type of boost that you hear about mothers or other people getting when a child or someone is trapped under something really heavy. Such as a car. When normally that person would never be able to budge something of such a mass.


I would give a better explanation, but I am a little scattered at the moment.

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[JewishNazi]

PCP is nice. But then again, because it is ilegal i "wouldn't"recommend using it . Ketamine would be the same deal. I have heard of people who [italic] try each to so they can make a comparison [/italic]

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[jrock0069]

If your not already violent in nature, then I highly doubt you'll get violent on PCP. Most of those people you hear about in those "horror" stories were already f*cked in the head b4 they smoked it. SWIM is lucky enough to have it available to him anytime. Unfortunately for most, this is not the case. I'd say this is one of the most elusive drugs in most areas.

If SWIY does decide to try it, SWIY should only take 3 hits. Hit it nice and slow, PCP has a very potent taste.A few of SWIM's friends like the high but hate the taste more so, it's a very rare occasion when they use. SWIY should hold each hit in for at least 10 seconds. It's pretty common for people to smoke more than they can handle (hence all the "horror stories). PCP takes 5-10 minutes to fully kick in. After SWIYs first hit SWIY'll feel a buzz and it will increase with the second and third hits. This is where most f*ck up. Even though they already smoked all they most likely need, the high isn't effecting them fully so they continue to smoke until they reach their desired effects.


Once they reach their desired effects and stop smoking, the high continues to increase. Now the panic sets in and it f*cks up their high. If SWIY really smoked too much (by most peoples standards), SWIY'll have a trip SWIM can only compare with a 3rd plateau or higher DXM trip. Even with DXM, most people aren't comfortable at those levels.


So, if you do decide to use it, DON'T take more than three hits. If you wan't to be extra cautious, use a sitter. Make sure you let them know not to let you hit it more than three times. For some reason, people (including myself) seem to forget what they are smoking and just keep hitting it until it's gone. Also, setting is very important. Only use it in a safe a secure location. Turn off phones and any unnecessary distractions, most likely you won't be able to opperate them properly anyways. Don't do it in a public place, the aroma is strong and you won't want to deal with "the man" when the smell attracts him.


Set aside a whole day to experience it. The high only lasts about 3-5 hours, but I know a few people who claim their afterglow lasts through the next day.


And for the whole, losing one's senses and acting out violently thing...If one has ever taken a high DXM trip, the body load is pretty similar to that. The head high is about the same as what one feels before goiong into a k-hole. Lot's of confusion and sometimes disorientation with higher doses. I'd say one is as likely to act out violently as one is on DXM or K. As a matter of fact, I don't know anybody, or even heard of anyone unintentionally being violent toward someone. Normally when people freak out, they just start to cry or yell. Sometimes even knock stuff over, but never go on a murderous rampage.


I have known people who like to smoke it before they fight somebody or similar activities cuz you really don't feel much pain. Your motor skills are exactly the same as when Johnny Depp took ether in "fear and loathing in Las Vegas". I'm not exaggerating about that either. I practically lift my feet as high as my head when trying to walk normally ("moonwalking" is what it's called in my neck of the woods).


Hope this was a little helpful. Sorry I made it so long also, You have to understand that I am pretty spun at this moment.

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[Nagognog2]

Ketaminehas been compared to taking a bumpy boxcar-ride to Nirvana - sort of like a mixture of LSD25 and nitrous oxide. This in doses of 50mg injected I.M. It's effects last about 45 minutes. PCP is quite different. It lasts for 8 hours, or more, and can be quite unpredictable in it's effects. Hence it was withdrawn from use in human medicine. It feels very different from ketamine, A feeling of numbness is about the only comparison I could draw between the two.

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[devil]

It is entirely possible to lose yourself in K as well - can't say that you *won't* freak out.

[phenethylamine]

Originally Posted by devil

It is entirely possible to lose yourself in K as well - can't say that you *won't* freak out.

What I was getting at, is that if SWIM (he supposes he can only speak for himself) were to get extremely stuck, and SWIM freaked out.. it would be at the very most silent and SWIM might look scared or something, but I don't think SWIM would be at all mobile. SWIM only came close to 'freaking out' in a k hole once, but it was more just him experiencing total and complete ego loss unexpectedly, and not being able to even try to regain it. It was really just confusing, SWIM thought he was dead but at the time SWIM was totally down with that.