2CT2 & 2CT7 Sulfurous Samadhi

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This is a few years old but contains usefull information on these research chemicals.

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Sulfurous Samadhi
Introduction
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


I first heard of 2C-T-2 in the summer of 1998, when I began to hear stories about a new 2C-B replacement being sold by smartshops in the Netherlands. PiHKAL deepened my interest. I began looking around and found several online companies based in the Netherlands and Sweden selling the pills, but none were willing to ship to the United States, citing as a reason that that the drug is illegal in the United States. Frustrated, and realizing that 2C-T-2 is not in fact scheduled in the United States (although the analogue laws most likely apply), I kept looking. Several months later, I found a smartshop willing to sell to Americans. I immediately ordered several doses.

My first time taking the drug was on Easter, April 4, 1999. I had not intended to take 2C-T-2 that day, instead taking some mescaline in the form of cactus extract. Several hours later I decided that the cactus was not sufficiently potent and that I was not where I wanted to be. I decided to take one 8mg pill of 2C-T-2. I soon reached a wonderful space which was for the most part like a mild to moderate mescaline trip. I was incredibly excited to have found a mescaline-like psychedelic which was legally obtainable which produced a trip of a nice manageable duration. Best of all, there was no horrible green slime to drink!

A couple weeks later, on April 17, I had my first full exposure to 2C-T-2. Along with a friend, I took three pills for a dose of 24mg. We soon found ourselves in the midst of incredibly visual and bizzarre trips. My friend lay on the couch nearly unresponsive, lost in his own internal world. I roamed my apartment watching inanimate objects dance with new life. After several hours, I found myself on the other side of a magical experience. This drug had surpassed all expectations - very impressive!

I tried 2C-T-2 several times after that, including combinations with MDMA and 2C-B. I was very upset a few months later when it was announced that it had been made illegal in the Netherlands and would no longer be sold.

When 2C-T-7 became commercially available at the end of 1999, I was overjoyed. I promptly purchased some and tried it twice within a month. It too was very impressive, although I preferred 2C-T-2 slightly, mostly due to its shorter duration. Soon thereafter, 2C-T-2 became commercially available once again from new sources. Although nowadays I virtually never have the opportunity to use psychedelics, and although it has been over a year since my experiments with 2C-T-7, both of these chemicals continue to fascinate me.

Within a few months of becoming available, I began to notice a rapid growth in the popularity of 2C-T-7. Out of an concern about widespread use of such obscure drugs, fueled in part by a desire to look after my own personal safety, I decided to try and gather all the information available about both of these drugs. I began collecting first hand reports, looking for scientific research, and contacting experts in the field. It didn't take long to realize that there was very little information to collect. Other than PIHKAL, a handful of first hand reports, and a few minor mentions in various publications, there was nothing.

In the months since then, working on this paper has been a fascinating project. I have communicated with many fascinating people, from scientists to smartshop employees, from users to British government employees. I have read everything from previously unpublished scientific notes to barely intelligible trip reports from dangerously ignorant people. I have had the joy of hearing about powerfully positive life-changing experiences from both drugs, and I have had the sadness of having to break the story of the first death involving 2C-T-7.

There were many dark times when I was deeply disturbed and saddened by some of the reckless use many recreational users engaged in. For several months before the death of Jake Duroy, there was a disturbing lack of respect for these drugs. In spite of repeated warnings from more experienced users that these are new and unstudied drugs, many users carelessly took massive doses of the drug. Reports of accidental overdoses and overwhelming bad trips began appearing on the Internet. Reports of people selling 2C-T-7 at raves and concerts, sometimes representing it as other drugs, began to appear. Ever since the early days of mescaline research, people have debated if and how access to psychedelic drugs should be controlled, and this issue has come up often in connection to 2C-T-2, 2C-T-7 and other exotic drugs. With time and experience, especially after the the death of Jake Duroy, the situation with these drugs gradually began to turn around. People began to respect the nature of these drugs a little more, and became a little less gung-ho in their use.

The darker episodes in my research are easily made up for by all the benefit I have seen people derive from using these two drugs, and the benefits I hope this paper will provide. When used wisely, these drugs are powerful tools for personal growth. This paper collects for the first time all the published knowledge we now have about these drugs. In addition, this paper presents months worth of new research into the history, effects and risks of both chemicals, including surveys of nearly five hundred users and previously unpublished historical information. Furthermore, I have presented quite a few theories and ideas which have occured to me during my research. Hopefully, this material will grab the attention of researchers who can try to fill in the many gaps in our knowledge. My hope is that this paper will dispell many of the rumors about these drugs and enable people who decide to use them to do so in a manner that is not only safe but which increases their chances of having a positive and rewarding experience.

-- Murple
-- February 3, 2001

Acknowledgements

Thanks to Kaya and Rollie, co-travellers and friends. Thanks to Sasha Shulgin for his research and for his assistance in collecting data for this project. Thanks to the staff of Erowid for allowing me to run my survey on their servers, and for their invaluable proofreading and critiquing services. Thanks also to the staff of the Lycaeum for helping spread the word about the user surveys. Thanks to the staffs of De Sjamaan and Conscious Dreams for their crucial help in assembling the history of these drugs. Thanks to the hundreds of people who responded to surveys or contributed trip reports or information. Thanks and condolences to the friends of Jake Duroy who took the time during their grief to help document what happened, so that others could learn from it and future deaths be prevented. Thanks to all the researchers before me who laid the foundations that made this paper possible. And last but certainly not least, thanks to the countless people who take the time to help others be safe, working for legal reform, spreading accurate information about drugs and fighting misinformation in the face of oppression and ignorance.

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Sulfurous Samadhi
Chemistry and Physical Properties
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 are two closely related chemicals in a series of phenethylamine compounds created by Alexander Shulgin. The 2C prefix derives from the fact that these compounds are the two carbon phenethylamine homologues of previously made three carbon amphetamines, having the alpha-methyl group removed. Shulgin named most of the 2C compounds by adding the last letter of the amphetamine prototype's name, for example 2C-B from DOB and 2C-I from DOI. The 2C-T series is based on the three carbon ALEPH series (described in detail in Shulgin's book, PiHKAL), and the T comes from the fact that the original name for ALEPH-1 was DOT (T standing for "thio", from it's sulfur atom). There are a whole series of 2C-T compounds which have been made or theorized, and the numbering of the series was assigned in the order the chemicals were thought up, rather than due to any structural properties.

So far, the only syntheses which have been published are Shulgin's methods as described in PIHKAL. Shulgin's recipes for 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 have been included as appendices to this paper.
Physical Properties

2C-T-2's full name is 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthiophenthylamine, and 2C-T-7's is 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine. Both chemicals generally come in the form of a hydrochloride salt, which are white crystalline powders. As free bases, both chemicals are a clear white oil. 2C-T-2 has the molecular formula C12H19NO2S and a molecular weight of 241.3476. 2C-T-7, has the molecular formula C13H21NO2S and its molecular weight is 255.3744. 2C-T-2 has a boiling point of 120-130° Celsius (at 300 microns). 2C-T-7 has a boiling point of 140-150° Celsius at 251 microns.

Both chemicals react to Marquis reagent, the principal ingredient in ecstasy testing kits, by producing an orange-red color reaction (similar to the color of uncooked salmon). 2C-T-2 produces a slightly more orange color, and 2C-T-7 a slightly more red color, but the difference is minute.

Regarding the stability of these chemicals, in 2000, Shulgin re-examined the original discovery samples of 2C-T-7 and the closely related 2C-T-4, to make sure that the propyl and isopropyl groups, respectively, had not been compromised. These samples were at the time well into their second decade. Both samples were still white, and the spectra showed clean when checked by mass spectroscopy. When asked about the possibility of long term storage of 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7, he said "I feel that the solids are stable with time." It is probably advisable to store the chemicals in air-tight, light-proof containers (such as amber glass vials with good caps) in a cool, dry location.

Since these chemicals have become more widely available, some people have been dissolving them in solvents to allow for measuring doses out by liquid volume. The two most popular solvents for this purpose have been water and ethyl alcohol. There have been mixed reports as to the solubility of 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7. Some have reported that when making solutions using water, with time, the drugs recrystallize and settle to the bottom. Reports of both unexpectedly strong and weak reactions raise questions about just how soluble these chemicals are. One factor which needs to be accounted for as well is that the solvents being used are not pure. Although advocates of this measurement technique recommend using distilled water, it is possible that people are also using plain bottled water and even unfiltered tap water. Some people use high proof liquor such as vodka or grain alcohol as a solvent. This offers the advantage of protecting against biological contaminants, and appears to offer somewhat better solubility. Regardless of which solvent is used, the impurities present in both liquor and water could conceivably alter the ability of the phenethylamines to enter and remain in solution, and could potentially react with them chemically. Another factor which could alter the ability of the chemicals to remain in solution is the temperature at which the solution is stored. Solutions which are stable at room temperature may separate out if stored in the refrigerator. The long term molecular stability of 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 in solution has never been explored, and there is the possibility that they may be less stable when stored in solution versus being stored in pure form.
Related Chemicals

Shulgin has thought up and named twenty-four compounds in the 2C-T series of phenethylamines. Nine of these have been synthesized and evaluated up to active doses, two have been synthesized but have not had their activities discovered, and the rest have never been made. There is also a twenty-fifth chemical in this series which not only was never made, but never officially assigned a 2C-T-X code name.

2C-T 5-dimethoxy-4-methylthiophenethylamine
The original compound in the series. It is a psychedelic described by Shulgin as "generic" in dosages of 60 to 100mg. In contrast to this evaluation, one person interviewed while collecting 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 experience reports for this paper mentioned having used this drug as well. He said "I actually prefer 2-CT despite it's lower potency (100mg) because it doesn't seem to engage your mind as much - like DMT, it's just watch the fireworks." Having tried several drugs in the 2C-T series, he observes, "As the aliphatic chain gets longer the effects seem to become less visual and more mind-manifesting (in the sense that thought processes become more important. For instance 2-CT can be floridly visual with patterns and color changes similar to mescaline, whereas 2-CT-7 is rarely very visual with some exceptions (colors get brighter, contrast is accented))." He also stated that his partner got more nausea from 2C-T than other drugs in this series, but pointed out that "she has a pretty sensitive stomach." While the low potency is a negative, it has the advantage of producing a short trip of only 3 to 5 hours.
2C-T-2 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthiophenethylamine
As a principal subject of this paper, this drug will be discussed elsewhere.
2C-T-3 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(beta-methallylthio)phenethylamine
Has never been synthesized.
2C-T-4 2,5-dimethoxy-4-isopropylthiophenethylamine
An active psychedelic at dosages of 8 to 20mg and results in a long 12 to 18 hour trip. It apparently produces some cross-tolerance with 2C-B. An entire chapter of Shulgin's PIHKAL is devoted to a detailed description of a powerful experience of a 2C-T-4 trip.
2C-T-5 2,5-dimethoxy-4-cyclohexylthiophenethylamine
Has never been synthesized.
2C-T-6 2,5-dimethoxy-4-phenylthiophenethylamine
Has never been synthesized.
2C-T-7 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine
As a principal subject of this paper, this drug will be discussed elsewhere.
2C-T-8 2,5-dimethoxy-4-cyclopropylmethylthiophenethylamine
Active in the 30-50mg dose range, giving a 12 to 18 hour trip which Shulgin describes by saying "there are as many negatives as there are positives."
2C-T-9 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(t)-butylthiophenethylamine
Active in the 60 to 100mg dose range, and gives effects lasting 12 to 18 hours. With this one, heavy body load seems to dominate over the mild psychedelic effects.
2C-T-10 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(2-pyridylthio)phenethylamine
Synthesis was abandoned before completion.
2C-T-11 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(4-bromophenylthio)phenethylamine
Synthesis was abandoned before completion.
2C-T-12 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(1-morpholinothio)phenethylamine
Synthesis was abandoned before completion.
2C-T-13 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(2-methoxyethylthio)phenethylamine
A psychedelic at 25 to 40mg, giving a 6 to 8 hour trip. In the paper "Structure-Activity Relationships of the Classic Hallucinogens and Their Analogs" by Alexander Shulgin and Peyton Jacob III, this compound was erroneously listed in as 2C-T-24. When asked about this, Shulgin said that this is simply a misprint.
2C-T-14 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(2-methylthioethylthio)phenethylamine
Has been synthesized but, no human testing has been done, and its activity is unknown.
2C-T-15 2,5-dimethoxy-4-cyclopropylthiophenethylamine
Has been synthesized and preliminary tests have been done, with some threshold effects lasting several hours being noted from 6-30mg. Its activity remains unknown. It has been given the nickname "Sesqui" by Shulgin, derived from the fact that 15-carbon terpenes are known by the term "sesquiterpene," and this is the fifteenth drug in the 2C-T series.
2C-T-16 2,5-dimethoxy-4-allylthiophenethylamine
Has never been synthesized.
2C-T-17 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(s)-butylthiophenethylamine
Produces a 10 to 15 hour psychedelic trip without significant sensory changes when taken in dosages of 60 to 100mg. Shulgin has given this compound the nickname "Nimitz" - a name derived from State Highway 17 in California (now Interstate 880), known as the Nimitz Freeway.
2C-T-18 2,5-dimethoxy-4-cyclobutylthiophenethylamine
Synthesis was abandoned before completion.
2C-T-19 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n-butylthio)phenethylamine
Synthesis was abandoned before completion.
2C-T-20 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(beta-methallylthio)phenethylamine
This is another name for 2C-T-3. The reason for this is that the homologous three carbon amphetamine (ALEPH-3) had been started, abandoned, and forgotten about. Several years later, Shulgin decided to try making the three carbon homologue again, and assigned a new number to the forgotten project. A new number was assigned to the corresponding 2C-T as well, before remembering the original ALEPH-3 project. As noted above, it has never been synthesized.
2C-T-21 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(2-fluoroethylthio)phenethylamine
In doses from 8 to 12mg, is a mild psychedelic without much body load that lasts 7 to 10 hours. In "Thanatos to Eros," Myron Stolaroff describes this drug as being a "wonderful energizer" rather than a psychedelic, saying that it "raises mood and spirit, raises the energy level, increases wit and sense of humor, facilitates communication, and in general provides an excellent good time." The anonymous contributor mentioned above under 2C-T said of 2C-T-21 that it is "perhaps one of the best," and that it "allows you to do just about anything while feeling emotionally open and motivated." More to the point was his closing remark on it, "Amazing stuff!" One other interesting bit of trivia about this drug is that it was the first psychedelic drug synthesized which contained six separate elements (C, H, N, O, S, and F). This was the last drug in the 2C-T series to be synthesized and investigated.
2C-T-21.5 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(2,2-difluoroethylthio)phenethylamine
A humorously named compound thought up while writing PIHKAL. Although it has not been synthesized, Shulgin writes "I will wager mucho that it will be very potent."
2C-T-22 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(2,2,2-trifluoroethylthio)phenethylamine
Synthesis was abandoned before completion.
2C-T-23 2,5-dimethoxy-4-cyclopentylthiophenethylamine
Synthesis was abandoned before completion.
2C-T-24 2,5-dimethoxy-4-diethylaminothiophenethylamine
In addition to the named 2C-T compounds, Shulgin also wrote about this chemical in PIHKAL. It has been theorized by never synthesized. Although never officially named so by its inventor, it seems logical to assign the name 2C-T-24 to this compound, in case it ever gets synthesized and explored and needs to be referred to by a simpler name.

After all this, Shulgin decided that while the 2C-T family of drugs was pharmacologically interesting, it no longer seemed too challenging from a creative chemistry perspective. Realizing that others could pick up with them where he left off, using the knowledge in PIHKAL, he abandoned further research with the 2C-T series. Information gleaned from this research went on to bear other interesting fruit, however. Seduced by the unexpected enhancement of activity achieved by substituting sulfur for oxygen, Shulgin turned his attention back to mescaline and its derivatives escaline and meta-escaline. He spent several months synthesizing sulfur analogues of these, a process culminating in the creation and evaluation of all five possible compounds. The results were positive. 3-Thioescaline (3-TE) was found active in the 60 to 80mg range, and 4-TE in the 20 to 30mg range. 3-Thio-meta-escaline (3-TME) as well as 4-TME were both found active in the range of 60 to 100mg. 5-TME has been run up to 200mg, and if it is active, the dosage must be higher than this. Including an ethoxy group into the mescaline molecule and then inserting a sulfur atom was found to be able to increase the potency up to twenty times that of mescaline (as in the case of 4-TE). Further offspring of this line of research can be found in PIHKAL, including thioproscaline (which exhibited some unpleasant effects) and 4-thiobuscaline (which appears to be primarily a euphoriant). Shulgin then went on to explore this ethoxy/thio substitution in the tryptamine world, documenting some of his finds in TIHKAL.

Regarding further explorations of the 2C-T series: if anyone has continued this research as Shulgin hoped, the results have not been made publically available. This field is ripe for picking.

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Sulfurous Samadhi
Stolaroff's & Well's Study
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


Some of the most detailed research into 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 has been carried out by Myron J. Stolaroff. In 1993, Stolaroff published a paper along with Charles W. Wells titled "Preliminary Results with New Psychoactive Agents 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7" in the Yearbook for Ethnomedicine 1993. This paper describes the results of research designed to determine if these drugs showed sufficiently interesting properties to warrant further investigation into their therapeutic potential as well as to discover what side effects they may have. MDMA, a drug with known therapeutic potential, was used as a benchmark for comparing the results.

Subjects for the experience were chosen based on two principal criteria. First, they had to have stable personalities, and second, they had to have no prior experience with any of the three drugs being used in the experiment (all but five, however, had prior experience with other psychedelic drugs). The sixty-three subjects were divided up into three uneven groups: seven were given MDMA, eight were given 2C-T-7, and the remaining fourty were given 2C-T-2.

In all cases, the drugs were administered in a friendly and supportive setting at a comfortable home with natural surroundings. All experiments were overseen by experienced guides, usually two per experiment. Most of the subjects took the drugs in groups of two, though experiments were conducted with groups as large as five and as small as a single individual.

Subjects arrived the night before the experiment, where they spent the evening discussing the drug they were going to be given and choosing a dose, as well as going over their current mental and physical states. Dosages were determined by the subject and the guides after discussing the effect ranges as well and taking into consideration other factors such as previous experience with other drugs. Those who expressed doubts were urged to start lower and take a supplemental dose later, if needed. In the morning, they were given the drug on an empty stomach, and given the entire day to devote to the experience. Supplemental doses were offered at the two hour point for those who wanted them. No formal procedure was in place for the experiments, and subjects were free to talk, walk outside, retreat to private rooms, or whatever else they wished. In the evening, after the experience was over, food was served. In conclusion, the subjects were required to fill out a simple questionnaire within a few days of the experiment.

Participants ranged between 18 and 67 years old. The range for those who took MDMA was 32 to 63, 48 being the average age. For the 2C-T-7 group the range was 30 to 57 with an average age of 42. The 2C-T-2 group ranged from 18 to 67 years old, with an average of 40.

The MDMA group all received 120mg, and all took a 40mg supplement at the two hour mark. The 2C-T-7 group took doses ranging from 20 to 25mg, with an average of 23.1mg, and six of the eight took supplemental doses. The 2C-T-2 group took from 10 to 30mg, with 15.7mg being average, and only eleven of the fourty took supplements. Supplements were found to be effective even as late as five hours after the initial dose, providing an almost immediate increase in activity.

2C-T-2 was found to reach full intensity in about two hours, with a five hour plateau followed by a gradual, usually pleasant descent back to baseline. These researchers found that 2C-T-2 was more emotionally opening than MDMA, and allows wider exploration of feelings. It was also found to permit more freedom of thought, more like LSD than MDMA in this regard. It was also found to enable more surfacing of repressed material than MDMA. Due to the fact that 2C-T-2 has much less of the centering qualities found with MDMA, being more like traditional psychedelics in that regard, this release of subconscious material can at times lead to some uncomfortable experiences.

2C-T-7 was found to be similar to 2C-T-2 but longer acting, more intense, and perhaps more euphoric. Stolaroff and Wells concluded that their sample size for this drug was too small and that further research was needed to define this drug's effects. The small sample size must certainly be taken into account when considering the results of the experiment.

Visually, 2C-T-7 was found slightly more active than 2C-T-2. For both drugs, 12.5% of the subjects reported open eye visual activity. However, 85% of the 2C-T-2 group reported no such activity, versus 75% of the 2C-T-7 group reporting no open eye visuals. None of the MDMA group reported such effects. 62.5% of the 2C-T-7 group reported improved visual perception, with 12.5% reporting worsened perception. With 2C-T-2, 47.5% reported improved visual perception, and 5% reported it worsened. None of the MDMA group reported worsened visual perception, and 42.9% reported it improved. Fully half of the 2C-T-7 group reported closed-eye imagery, as did 47.5% of the 2C-T-2 group. Only 14.3% of the MDMA group reported closed-eye imagery.

On the measure of clarity of thought, 2C-T-7 was found to produce the best results, with 87.5% of the subjects reporting it improved. Unfortunately, it also produced the largest percentage of subjects reporting a loss of clarity, 12.5%. 2C-T-2 produced less dramatic results, with only 75% reporting improvement and 5% reporting a decrease. MDMA also had very good results, with 84.6% reporting improvement and no reports of decreased clarity.

2C-T-7 gave the worst results for effects on flow of insights. Only 50% of subjects reported improvement, and 12.5% reported it worsened. 2C-T-2 produced much better results, with only 2.5% reporting the flow of insights worsened, and 77.5% reporting improvement. MDMA came in second, with 71.5% reporting improvement, and no reports of worsening.

2C-T-7 came in last on the ability to increase perception of high order meaning, with only 62.5% reporting an improvement. 2C-T-2 fared much better, with 82.5% reporting improvement. MDMA performed best in this regard, with 85.8% reporting improvement. None of the three drugs produced any worsening on this measure.

On the measure of feeling tone, 75% of the 2C-T-7 group reported an improvement. In the 2C-T-2 group, 80% reported an improvement, but 10% noticed a worsening in feeling tone. The entire MDMA group reported improved feeling tone.

2C-T-2 produced the worst results in the facilitation of communication. Of this group, 17.5% reported the ability to communicate with others worsened, but 62.5% reported it improved. 2C-T-7 produced better results, with 75% reporting improved communications, and no reports of worsening. MDMA produced the highest percentage reporting improvement, 85.7%, but 14.3% of this group did report a worsened ability to communicate.

An increase in energy level was reported by 37.5% of the 2C-T-7 group, and a decrease reported by 9%. 2C-T-2 did good on this measure, with 70% reporting an increased energy level, and 12.5% reporting a decrease. MDMA did very bad, with 42.9% reporting a decrease, and no increases reported.

2C-T-7 had the best results on overall functioning, with 69.2% reporting improvement and 9.2% reporting deterioration. 2C-T-2 came in second with 57.2% reporting improvement and 14.4% reporting deterioration. MDMA produced the worst results, with 56.5% reporting improved functioning and 15.9% reporting deterioration.

2C-T-7 produced the greatest percentage of experiences without physical side effects, 82.5%. 2C-T-2 had the worst results, with only 72% reporting the absence of physical side effects, however the intensity of side effects for 2C-T-2 was the lowest. Of the MDMA group, 79.3% reported no physical symptoms, although MDMA did result in the largest percentage of side effects described as distracting, 18.9% (versus 9.6% for 2C-T-7 and 8.3% for 2C-T-2).

Both 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 produced more complaints about nausea and vomiting than MDMA. 2C-T-2 was worst in this regard, with 10% of subjects reporting noticeable nausea, 17.5% reporting short lived distracting nausea and 5% reporting long lived distracting nausea. Vomiting was reported by 17.5% of this group. Of the 2C-T-7 group, 12.5% reported noticeable nausea and 25% reported long lived distracting nausea. Vomiting occurred in 25% of the group. MDMA produced the least nausea, with 28.6% of subjects reporting distracting but short lived nausea, and no instances of vomiting. Stolaroff and Wells speculate that the nausea produced by 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 may be due to the surfacing of psychological material, as they noticed that many of the subjects reporting nausea said they were aware of what was making them feel ill, and that the nausea disappeared when the issue was confronted.

2C-T-7 produced the highest incidence of muscle tension, with 37.5% of the group experiencing it to some degree. Muscle spasms and tremors were reported by 12.5% of the subjects. 2C-T-2 did a little better, with 32.5% reporting muscle tension. MDMA produced the most muscle tension, being reported by 42.9% of the subjects. It also produced the worst muscle tension, with 28.6% reporting it as long lasting and distracting.

2C-T-7 had the least effect on heart rate, though the exact results are unclear, as the paper states that 100% of the 2C-T-7 group experienced no change in heart rate, but then states that 12.5% reported noticeable change. Of the 2C-T-2 group, 67.5% reported no change in heart rate. Only 57.1% of the MDMA group reported no change on heart rate, and MDMA also produced the worst effects, with 28.6% reporting the effect on heart rate as distracting (versus 5% for 2C-T-2). Effects on blood pressure, strangely enough, run in the opposite order. Only 62.5% of the 2C-T-7 group reported no effect on blood pressure, compared to 67.5% for 2C-T-2 and 71.4% for MDMA.

Other unspecified physical side effects were reported by 20% of the 2C-T-2 group, 7.5% of the group reporting these effects as being distracting.

Asked if they would repeat the experience, 2C-T-7 got the largest number of "no" responses, 12.5%. Of those who would repeat it, 14.4% were happy with the dose they took, while 57.1% would take more. From the 2C-T-2 group, only 85% said they would repeat it, and 7.5% would not. Most, 52.9%, would take more, 8.8% would take less, and 26.5% would take the same dose. All the MDMA subjects said they would take MDMA again, 42.9% at a larger dose, 14.3% at a smaller dose, and 28.6% at the same dose.

In conclusion, the researchers determined that there were no noticeable contraindications for 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 in well motivated subjects. Writing in his book Thanatos to Eros, published a year later, Stolaroff describes 2C-T-2 as being an "excellent general purpose work horse," and a "comfortable, enjoyable vehicle" that can be used to explore a wide range of inner feelings and levels of thought. Because it has some MDMA-like euphoric centering qualities, 2C-T-2 is less likely than the classic psychedelics (such as LSD) to mire the user in disturbing aspects of the subconscious, and leaves the user with more volition. He states the effective dose range as 12 to 30mg, extending it 5mg beyond Shulgin's recommendation in PIHKAL. Stolaroff mentions that 2C-T-2 has occasionally been used in doses of 8 to 10mg by therapists monitoring patients who have taken MDMA. He goes on to describe 2C-T-7 as being an "excellent substance, very clear, very permissive," although it is clear he has less experience with it than with 2C-T-2.

Based on these findings, it seems that 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 are quite different in effects from MDMA, which would indicate different therapeutic applications. It would be interesting to do similar experiments comparing them to other drugs such as 2C-B and LSD, with which they seem to have more in common than MDMA. It would also be very productive to do a more equal comparative study between 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7.

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Sulfurous Samadhi
Casey Hardison's Survey
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


As mentioned previously, Casey Hardison, a graduate student at the University of Idaho, conducted an informal survey of 2C-T-7 users at the Entheobotany conference in Palenque, Mexico in February 2000. Noticing that quite a few people were conducting bioassays of the material, Hardison seized the opportunity to perform some informal impromptu research. He designed a survey which was handed out to conference attendees, and received 48 responses. The results of this survey were published in the Summer 2000 issue of the MAPS Bulletin under the title "An Amateur Qualitative Study of 48 2C-T-7 Subjective Bioassays."
Respondents were of various cultural and ethnic backgrounds, ranging from 24 to 73 years old. 29 respondents were male, 13 female, and the remaining 4 did not specify their sex. 33 of the respondents indicated no prior experience with 2C-T-7 prior to the conference, and 12 indicated they had previously used it from between 1 and 15 times.
The respondents used dosages in the range of 25 to 45mg, which worked out to 0.3 to 0.6mg/kg. The average time until effects were felt was 1.5 hours, with the range of variation being 15 minutes to 4 hours. Time until peak effects ranged from 1 to 6 hours, with the average being 3 hours. Duration of peak effects ranged from 1 to 5 hours, with 3 hours being average. Entire duration ranged from 8 to 18 hours with a median of 12 hours (not all respondents answered this question on the survey). Other drugs which were taken in conjunction with the 2C-T-7 were marijuana, dihydrocodeine, Valium, alcohol, and cocaine.
As far as side effects, nausea and upset stomach were the most commonly reported, with 7 respondents reporting general nausea or stomach discomfort and 3 reporting extreme nausea. Headaches were reported by 4 individuals, and muscle tension by 3. Abdominal cramps, tachycardia and renal pain each received one mention.
35 of the respondents indicated a willingness to repeat the experience, versus 7 who would not take 2C-T-7 again. 4 individuals did not respond to this question.

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Legal Status of 2C-T-2 & 2C-T-7
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001
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Being relatively new drugs, neither 2C-T-2 nor 2C-T-7 have been banned by many countries. While there may be laws in other countries which I am not aware of, it appears that 2C-T-2 is specifically illegal in either three or four countries, and 2C-T-7 in either one or two countries. Many countries have analogue drug laws, however, and in those countries 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 may be implicitly illegal. If you are unsure about the legality of either drug in your location, it would be wise to check its legal status with both local and national authorities before coming into possession of it.
<H2><A name=Australia>Australia</A></H2>


In Australia, 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 are covered by the country's comparatively strict analogue drug laws. There has been at least one prosecution in which 2C-T-2 played a part. Unfortunately, my informant on this case did not have complete details. The case happened "a couple years ago," presumably sometime while 2C-T-2 was being sold by Dutch smartshops. A person in New South Wales was caught in possession of large quantities of various illegal drugs. Along with these drugs were also various more obscure drugs, including five tablets of 2C-T-2. Although the primary focus of the prosecution was on the scheduled drugs, according to my informant "it was the fact that there were obscure drugs present that nailed the import case. I don't know how much of a role 2CT2/7 played in this, but from the list of drugs they dealt with this one was probably the most obscure." I was unable to find record of this case in Australia's SCALEplus online legal database, but my informant mentions that he believes the case was heard at the Downing Centre court in Sydney.
<H2><A name=Canada>Canada</A></H2>


Neither 2C-T-2 nor 2C-T-7 appear to be scheduled drugs in Canada, however it is most likely covered under the analogue drug laws. Under Canadian law, a drug analogue is defined as "a substance that, in relation to a controlled substance, has a substantially similar chemical structure." Using this definition, both drugs could be argued to be analogues of either 2C-B or mescaline. It seems that this law has been enforced at least once. According to a post made to an Internet mailing list, in October, 2000, a person placed an order with a chemical supply company in the United States for 250mg of 2C-T-7. Canadian customs seized the order and sent a notice to the purchaser saying that it had been confiscated. No further action was taken in the case.
<H2><A name=Germany>Germany</H2>


The legal situation of 2C-T-2 in Germany has an interesting history. On October 7, 1998, the Federal Ministry for Health issued a decree titled "Zwölfte Verordnung zur Änderung Betäubungsmittel Rechtlicher Vorschriften", which placed 2C-T-2 (along with 4-MTA, mebroqualone, and two PCP analogues) under the Betäubungsmittelgesetz, Germany's drug law, by express regulation, which is equivalent to the DEA's emergency scheduling powers under United States law. This made possession, import, trade, production, and trafficking of 2C-T-2 punishable by law. This decree eventually expired, but on September 24, 1999, the Federal Ministry For Health issued the "Dreizehnten Verordnung zur Änderung Betäubungsmittelrechtlicher Vorschriften," which went into effect October 10, 1999, and made 2C-T-2 illegal along with 11 other drugs. This regulation also had one year expiration, and so on September 27, 2000, yet another temporary scheduling was decreed in the "Viersehnte Betäubungsmittelrechts-Änderungsverordnung". As with the two prior decrees banning 2C-T-2, this new law also banned other drugs as well, for a total of fourteen, including the tryptamines 5-MeO-DMT and 5-MeO-DIPT. This new decree took effect October 10, 2000 and like the two prior decrees, this one also expires one year after going into effect. 2C-T-7 remains legal in Germany at the present time.
<H2><A name=Netherlands>The Netherlands</A></H2>


The Netherlands was the first country in which 2C-T-2 was sold commercially, and it was also the first country to make it an illegal drug. On April 12, 1999, it was declared an unregistered medicine. As such, it is in a separate legal category from scheduled drugs. Manufacture, import, sale, trade and possession of 2C-T-2 are illegal. At present, 2C-T-7 remains legal, but many feel that this is likely to change due to the fact that the government does not approve of the smartshops selling "synthetic drugs."
<H2><A name=Sweden>Sweden</A></H2>


2C-T-2 became commercially available in Sweden in the summer of 1998, being sold in smartshops similar to those in the Netherlands. On April 1, 1999, both 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7, along with MBDB, BDB, 2C-B and PMMA, were banned in Sweden. This was not done by appending these drugs to the country's normal drug laws, but by passing a new law, "Förordning (1999:58) om förbud mot vissa hälsofarliga varor," which banned the drugs as being materials dangerous to health.
<H2><A name=UK>United Kingdom</A></H2>


In 1999, Alexander Shulgin was sent a copy of a letter from the British Home Office to several of its administrative associates which in effect placed all compounds listed in PIHKAL into Class A, Britain's equivalent of Schedule I. Whether or not this law has actually gone into effect remains the subject of some confusion, but it appears likely that both 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 are illegal in the United Kingdom. Several researchers, including this author, tried for several months to obtain a complete list of banned drugs in the United Kingdom. With the exception of a few partial lists, all have failed; therefore, it can not be said for sure whether these drugs are in fact illegal in the United Kingdom.
<H2><A name=US>United States</A></H2>


[ Erowid Note: 2C-T-7 was placed in Schedule I by emergency order of the DEA on September 20, 2002. This makes it illegal to buy, sell, or possess without a DEA license. ]

Neither 2C-T-2 nor 2C-T-7 are specifically scheduled in the United States. This does not mean that they are legal, however. The United States has analogue drug laws. Under United States law, it must be determined on a case by case basis whether an analogue drug law violation has occurred. The prosecution must demonstrate that the material in question is substantially similar in both chemical structure and pharmacological effect to a scheduled drug, and that the defendant intended to manufacture, buy, sell, trade, or use the substance as a drug for human consumption. 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 could conceivably be prosecuted as analogues of mescaline or 2C-B. There also exist "lookalike drug" laws, under which a person who is selling any substance which is being misrepresented as a scheduled drug can be prosecuted as if actually selling the drug they claim to be selling. If someone were to try selling 2C-T-2 or 2C-T-7 as mescaline they could be charged as if selling actual mescaline.


Currently, no state laws ban either 2C-T-2 or 2C-T-7. Most states also have analogue and lookalike drug laws in addition to the federal laws. These laws may be stricter than federal law in some states.


Several incidents have been reported on the Internet in which law enforcement agents have crossed paths with 2C-T-7. In all but one case, there are insufficient details to be able to verify the stories, and so they must be considered anecdotal.


According to a post made to The Shroomery, an Internet drug discussion forum, a man was arrested in New York state in October, 2000, for driving an unregistered car. He was found with twenty-two gelcaps each containing 20mg of 2C-T-7. The defendant did not tell the police what the capsules contained. Although the police were not able to identify the substance, the defendant was convicted at his trial at the end of November. It is unclear what the exact charges were. According to the person posting the messages, "I heard that he got the 3 years probation for 'dealing.' That really makes no sense. 'Dealing' is not a legal charge." It was also pointed out that the defendant did not make use of a lawyer during his trial, a decision which likely led to his conviction.


The next incident was also mentioned on The Shroomery, in response to the post about the first case. A man was caught in possession of several 10mg doses of 2C-T-7 individually wrapped in aluminum foil as well as fifteen small bags of marijuana. Police kept the suspect in jail while they performed some tests to try and identify what the 2C-T-7 was. After not being able to identify it, police asked the suspect what it was, to which he responded "its just some Advil I crushed up." He was then released, after being charged only for the marijuana.


In January, 2000, a man in the United States placed an order for 15 Blue Mystic tablets from a smartshop in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. This package was seized by customs, and a notice of confiscation was sent to the purchaser. No further legal action was taken.


The fourth incident in which 2C-T-7 has come to the attention of law enforcement in the United States involved the death of Jake Duroy. This incident was described in detail in the historical section of this paper. This is the only one of these incidents for which there is sufficient information to verify the story. No charges were filed against any people in this case. [/B]

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Conclusion
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


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This paper has been a fascinating project, and I hope that it will help to characterize two very interesting molecules. However, like almost all research, I feel that it has raised more questions than it has answered. Early 2000, when this project was first conceived, 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 were obscure and vaguely defined psychedelics. Today, they remain relatively obscure, but their personalities have been manifested to a much greater degree.


Until recently, 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 were seen by many as being mere substitutes for 2C-B or mescaline, having no real uniquenesses of their own. This belief may go a long way toward explaining why neither 2C-T-2 nor 2C-T-7 have been the subject of much scientific investigation.


Furthermore, the identities of both drugs have long been blurred. An interesting lesson in the power of speaking first may be found in this story. Writing in PIHKAL, Alexander Shulgin states "There is a considerable parallel between 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7, and both have proven to be excellent tools for introspection. The differences are largely physical. With 2C-T-2, there is more of a tendency to have physical disturbances such as nausea and diarrhea. And the experience is distinctly shorter. With 2C-T-7, physical disturbances are less common, but you are into the effects for almost twice as long." Based on this one paragraph, many people have concluded that 2C-T-2 is simply a shorter and inferior version of 2C-T-7. It has to be remembered that every person responds differently to every drug, and that Shulgin's statement is true only for himself and for people he has observed using the drugs. By virtue of being the first person to write about these two drugs however, his opinion has been taken by many as gospel. As more people have used these drugs, it has become clear that Shulgin's results are not universal. For many people, 2C-T-2 is the superior drug. The results of my user surveys ironically show a higher incidence of physical discomfort among 2C-T-7 users. It also has become clear that the two differ not only in side effects but also in primary effects. Most people who have tried both find that they have significant differences in the states of mind they can produce as well as significant differences in the quality and quantity of visual effects. The two are clearly different drugs with different effects profiles. As an added testimony to the power of suggestion, I was amused when I spoke with several people who thought they had tried both 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7. Each of these people was emphatic about having had much better experiences with 2C-T-7 than with 2C-T-2. All insisted that 2C-T-7 was much gentler on the body. Upon further questioning, it turned out that they had obtained both drugs in the Netherlands, and that the 2C-T-7 they had tried was in fact the mislabelled 2C-T-2.


As Shulgin describes in PIHKAL, new drugs come into the world as blank slates. With each time it is taken by a human, its personality is manifested more and more. Over time, we can form a fairly clear image of a drug's nature, though as with a person, we can never really know everything there is to know. Both 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 have grown up rapidly in the past four years. It seems clear that both are fairly typical members of the phenethylamine family, with much in common with Mother Mescaline and their older sibling 2C-B. Each has their own personality, however. Both also remain children, and there remains much to learn.


Several areas seem worthy of further study by those who are better equipped than I for scientific research. First, toxicological studies need to be carried out to determine what the risk factors are. This goes especially for 2C-T-7, which has been linked to some worrisome incidents. It is crucial that we determine whether the death of Jake Duroy and the other reported incidents were due to some unknown pharmacological actions, were overdoses, or were simply freak accidents. Hand in hand with this, experiments to determine the receptor affinities of each drug as well as their metabolic pathways may provide useful information. The unusual reaction to 2C-T-7 described in the pharmacology section by the man taking beta-blocker medications seems particularly interesting, considering that mescaline is suspected of competing for alpha-adrenergic receptors but appears not to interact with beta-adrenergic receptors. Investigating the receptor affinities of 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 may shed some light on unanswered questions about mescaline's pharmacology. As for metabolic pathways, I suspect it would be worthwhile to try and compare the metabolism of 2C-T-2 versus 2C-T-7. When comparing reports from users, 2C-T-7 produces dramatically variable responses in different people, with some people having strong trips at 10mg and others barely feeling 50mg. With 2C-T-2, dosages seem to be much more consistent from person to person. This different response has been reported even by people who have tried both drugs. It seems possible that some difference in the way each drug is metabolized could be responsible for this phenomenon.


Another direction worthy of further research, one which I may pursue myself in the near future, would be more user surveys. First, it would be nice to get more data on 2C-T-2 versus 2C-T-7, asking similar questions to those asked on the survey I conducted for this paper. Nearly ten times the number of 2C-T-7 surveys were received, making direct comparison somewhat difficult. This was rather disappointing, as I expected much more response on 2C-T-2 owing to its popularity in Europe a few years ago. Beyond this, I feel it would be productive to try to gather data on more subjective points. Some questions which seem appropriate would include questions on the duration of the experience, the intensity levels of various effects such as visuals, euphoria, panic, and insights or revelations. Again, I feel it important to try to compare 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7. Casual analysis of published first hand reports seems to indicate that the two drugs produce substantially different subjective effects, and trying to quantify these differences would help to establish what strengths and weaknesses each drug may have as potential tools for psychotherapy, creativity enhancement, or spiritual practices.


Both 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 are drugs which I feel have significant potential. As tools for therapy, both seem to promote very insightful states of mind, and allow the well-intentioned user to step outside of emotional entanglements and review their lives objectively, acceptingly, and compassionately. Others report emotional opening and release, and increased empathy with people. Many reports describe long lasting feelings of optimism, happiness, and personal growth following experiences with either drug. Both drugs also hold great promise as spiritual tools, enabling easier access to meditative states. In particular, 2C-T-7 seems to be associated with a very centered state, and the increased body awareness and flexibility it produces seems very conducive to practices such as yoga and tai chi. Both drugs have been reported by users as opening the heart chakra. As with most psychedelics, there seems great potential for the use of both drugs as sources of creative inspiration.


Along with the potential for benefit, both drugs also present potential risks. This seems especially true for 2C-T-7, although this could be a distortion of the facts caused by a much smaller sample size of 2C-T-2 users responding to the surveys, or a reflection of the fact that many 2C-T-2 users seem to be more cautious and educated than many 2C-T-7 users. While there have been no significant incidents reported involving 2C-T-2, it is better to be too cautious than not cautious enough. Used in moderation, both drugs seem to be quite safe. While there have been several serious incidents reported, we need to remember that this represents only a tiny fraction of total uses. There have been fewer than ten incidents of concern, out of thousands of total uses. This record looks even better when considering some of the reckless dosages taken by many people.


The biggest risk of course is that the risk factors are not really known. Until more research is done, it would be wise to proceed carefully. People taking 2C-T-2 or 2C-T-7 should avoid mixing them with other drugs; if someone does decide to try a drug combination, it would be a good idea to start with a lower than normal dose. People with potentially life threatening medical conditions should avoid taking 2C-T-2 or 2C-T-7, or at least start with very low doses.


The most common cause of bad reactions to any drug is taking too much. This definitely applies to both 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7. Many users are careless about dosage measurement, using ineffective techniques such as the graph paper method or even just guessing. Large doses of either drug, but particularly 2C-T-7, can lead to states of extreme confusion and detatchment from physical reality. This can lead to panic reactions, toxic psychosis, and physical injuries due to being unaware of one's surroundings. It is even possible that with a large enough dose, death due to overdose toxicity could occur. In my opinion, many people who are taking such large doses are missing the point of these drugs. People taking extremely large doses often mention that they are seeking powerful visual effects. While 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 can both be extremely visual drugs, I don't feel that these are the primary focus of the experience. I feel that the primary strength of these drugs lies in their effects on the thought processes and emotions, subtle effects which are optimally experienced in lower dosages than are required for the overpowering visuals. I believe that the state many of the visual seekers are trying to achieve are in fact mild overdoses, as physical discomfort can become quite pronounced at such dosage levels. While I firmly believe in the right of these people to take such doses if that makes them happy, they may wish to consider turning to drugs such as DMT which produce intense visuals in more reasonable dosages, with much less physical side effects. First time users of either drug should limit their doses to 10 to 15mg orally. <A name=snorting>


One other suggestion for minimizing bad reactions is to take these </A>drugs orally. Other routes carry much higher risk of accidentally taking too much, due to the much smaller dosage ranges involved. Although a very popular method, snorting these drugs dramatically increases the variety, intensity, and duration of side effects. Of all the bad reactions which have been reported, whether physical or psychological, the overwhelming majority involved cases where the drug was insufflated. In addition to the much smaller dose ranges involved, the rapid onset of effects can take many people by surprise. Rather than a serene and gradual two hour ramp up when taken orally, snorting it can result in a very sudden and rapid catapulting into an extremely altered state of mind. Oral doses offer fewer side effects, a wider margin of error in dose measurement, and a gentler transition into the experience. In addition, there is none of the intense pain nor the potential for damage to the nasal passeges which are present when snorting them. I strongly discourage taking either 2C-T-2 or 2C-T-7 by any route other than by mouth.


I feel one of the most important things people need to realize about both drugs is that they are still experimental drugs. In the end, it is very likely that research will show them both to be very safe and useful drugs - but until that research has been done, it is important to be respectful of the experimental nature of 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7. It is also possible that research will show them to be dangerous drugs which work very differently from mescaline. Anyone considering using them should keep this in mind and not use the drugs recklessly. Use low doses, and take long breaks between uses of either drug. You can always take a higher dose next time, but you can't go back and untake some if you take too much and have a bad reaction. Avoid putting these chemicals in the hands of people who you do not honestly believe can use them responsibly. I firmly believe that people have the right to be irresponsible and self-destructive, but at the same time I also believe that those of us who know better should not go out of our ways to help them. The right to be stupid can not and must not be hindered if we are to live in a free and civilized society. That doesn't mean it should be encouraged, however.


Chemistry has given us two very interesting chemicals in 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7. Both hold great promise as tools to benefit mankind. Let's learn what we can about them, and perhaps then we may learn from them.

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2C-T-2 User Quotes
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


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<H2>General</H2>
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<DT>I decide it's a good time to go out, so I take my bike and go for a ride to a nearby hill. From there I watch the beginning sunset while I have a live tape from '92 with Sonic Youth playing in my walkman. After 30 minutes I walk down the opposite side of the hill, and find it to be full with Trifolium Pratense. I suck the nectar from a few of them, and I am pleasantly reminded of how I used to do so when I was a kid. I admire the purple and green hillside for a while, before I walk down to a landing-stage by the nearby lake. I spend the rest of the sunset sitting there in a yoga position meditating, admiring the sun and the refelection of it as it disappears below the horizon. I am experiencing something very religious and transcendental. By focusing at a point a bit further away, I can get the illusion of the landing-stage moving, instead of the water flowing.
<DD>-Anonymous, 24mg orally



<DT>At one point I sat down on the ground, legs crossed and with a strong feeling of PERFECTION. I felt to be in a state I could dwell in forever, the euphoria and feeling of having reached the maximum of what I could be were incredibly strong. The immensity of my ego at the time bordered insanity. I asked my friend to take a picture of me while in this state, so I could check later how attractive and perfect I appeared to the outside world.
<DD>-Anonymous, 24mg orally



<DT>I was enveloped by a feeling of warmth. I was covered up with a warm blanket which felt real nice. my body felt like it was suspended in air and beautiful images danced in my mind. bright beautiful neon colors twirled and shot across silver backgrounds in time with the music. I was inside of a shiney silver walled spaceship watching pentagons and hexagons morph into different shapes and colors. laser beams of neon were shooting across the room. I then saw myself outlined in neon in a completely black room. before you knew it I was holding a laser-tag gun while standing on a rotating platform. once again let me emphasize the warmth I felt. never once did I feel cold. every now and then I would catch myself smiling and kinda giggle to myself because this felt so good. not good like an MDMA good but good like I liked the place I was in and was content with what I was seeing. I felt like nothing could harm me, like I was safe from the world.
<DD>-Embrace, 20mg orally



<DT>After two hours I feel like a intense psychedelic is knocking on my door, but he never comes in. It touches the surface. Dept and colour are different. The humorous substance does not allow me to stop laughing. This ceiling seems miles away, letting me drift into deep spaces, but as soon as I forget to focus, I am back to baseline.
<DD>-Horus, 8mg orally



<DT>Some pressure on my head for half an hour. Sitting was better. I wondered where this would go and started to smile. The smile transformed into a laugh until my belly hurt. Then I was energy. The walls danced with me. So was anything else. Music was good to me and I was good to the turntables. Talking was nice but I had no interest in the sensual efforts of a woman. The experience lasted 7 hours in total. No after effects. This is a very controllable substance which gives the visuals without losing yourself in the experience.
<DD>-Horus, 20mg orally



<DT>Visual effects reached extreme proportions. Periodically, my entire visual field would be "washed" by "waves" of color - pink, green. The size of the letters on my screen would constantly shift between very tiny to gigantic. I would see complex fractal like fields and vortexes appearing in my desk and monitor frame. Colorless (yet somehow visible) astral vines would periodically wrap around things. My floor tiles were swimming. I would see trails from stationary objects. I also experienced auditory effects. I was hearing voices constanly, which I think were conversations in adjacent apartments, and so represented sensory enhancement and not hallucinations. I was extremely confused, and the fact that my friend was unconscious didn't help to lessen that confusion. Periodically I went to check if he was responsive, occasionally he would answer incoherently. I decided to do some GHB to mellow things out, and took 2.5 grams. This seemed to lessen the confusion, but had no other noticable effects. The visual effects seemed to increase gradually, hitting a peak sometime around 1:00AM. At no time was there ever any real sense of panic, no real fear... just overwhelming confusion. Confusion to the point that I felt I was going to lose my mind - but not really. At one point I said on the chat room "I think I am [freaking out] and just don't realize it," followed by "I think this kicks ass... that or it sucks... one of the two." It didn't take me too long to decide on the former.
<DD>-Murple, 24mg orally



<DT>I had a really amazing trip! I think this was almost more memorable than my 24mg experience. 1:00-3:30AM was the peak. I had all kinds of nice visuals, similar to mescaline or 2C-B. Temporal dilation was extreme, time moved at a crawl. I had very altered mental processes, a feeling that my thinking was moving throught these strange winding logic "tunnels". It seemed as if I were moving through these tunnels, gathering insights on the way. One bizzarre moment happened during the peak as I was laying down on my bed. I found myself unable to think in English, or recall any English words. Instead, I found myself thinking in German. This was very odd, since German is not my native language. The overwhelming feeling I had through the entire trip was "Everything is OK, and everything will be OK." I came away from the whole thing with a nice optimistic outlook on life.
<DD>-Murple, 16mg orally



<DT>Wonderful visuals, tracers were incredible, Such a great sense of well being. I live in MS and it never snows here. But that night it snowed a decent amount. The atmosphere was incrediable. It felt like the universe revolved around my soul. This must be the greatest drug I have ever tried.
<DD>-Tabitha Rollins, 28mg orally </DD></DL>
<H2>Visual Effects</H2>
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<DT>At one point, I was watching a pattern extremely similar to some of the patterns you might see using the 'Elements' eye-candy software, when all of a sudden out of the depths of my vision letters started to race by, in big sweeping movements, sixties/seventies-like lettertype, bright neon-colors, and just... letters, and numbers, and comma's and hyphens, questionmarks, exclamationmarks, periods, the works. Again I just laughed in amazement. I kept telling my friend that I had never imagined I could hallucinate the alphabet. It was hilarious.
<DD>-Anonymous, 24mg orally



<DT>The stars twinkle and small rays of light bounce between them and around the sky. The trees exhibit strange fractaline motion, moving and twisting in the night sky. The sky is a strange purple color. I remember very powerfully that the contrast of green on purple is quite beautiful and how I wished I'd had a camera to capture the effect. Of all my experience with psychedelics, this experience was absolutely the most visually spectacular, though I believe the clarity of thought acheived is comparable to that of acid or mushrooms.
<DD>-Anonymous, unspecified insufflated dose



<DT>At one point while I was dancing the shapes I was watching suddenly started taking on known forms, and I was quite happily amazed when I realized I was watching myself dancing from a point to my right and about nine feet up in the air, somewhat distorted and in strange, psychedelic colors, sure, but it was definitely me. I told my friend I could see myself dancing, he asked me 'where?' and I tried to point myself out. Which is very confusing if you're watching yourself! I pointed forward, because the 'vision of me' was in front of me, but then I *saw* myself pointing in some other direction. I moved my arm around untill I saw myself pointing directly at myself.
<DD>-Anonymous, 24mg orally



<DT>The first time on 2C-T-2 I was listening to a really hard acid CD and I visualised an orgy. It was so real that when I woke up afterwards, I was sad that I had unprotected sex. *That* real.
<DD>-Anonymous, 16mg orally </DD></DL>
<H2>Mental Effects</H2>
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<DT>Both me and my friend (we had tripped together a couple of times before) had a strong feeling that our trips where connected and even somewhat intertwined at some levels, and most things that I experienced, he experienced as well (and vice-versa, of course).
<DD>-Anonymous, 24mg orally



<DT>2CT2 can be used a tool to search inward and can help someone see themself as they really are, and not how they think they are. ...You can look at yourself with honesty with shame and see way to help yourself.
<DD>-Grotto



<DT>Very therapeutic material. I had complete introspective look at my life and the lives of others. Came out of it all with more confidence and exceptance.
<DD>-Taro



<DT>The complex yet subtle and unusual emotions [with] higher doses can be hard or heavy even though they feel to be from deep within and gentle, can be overwhelming, I've fled on a high dose from them into a lot of cognating [regarding] emotions -- recommend starting easy for best benefits, enjoy the subtlety. ...strong desires for telepathic communication.
<DD>-Tigger



<DT>I had been slightly depressed for a period of time, but dealt with some of the underlying factors, and felt I was on the right track, but I was not completely free from conflicts and nuisance. Suddenly I felt this massive emotional release, I was no longer poisoned by the shame I had been feeling, and the remaining guilt didn't feel very heavy to carry on my shoulders anymore. Actually, most of it fell off. I no longer blame myself for being the one who I am, sure I do a thing or two that is not very good, but those are mistakes, and mistakes can be corrected. With this new insight I felt that I found a whole new energy to take on the world with. ...Other feelings of deeper acceptance were felt in connection to being part of the great cosmic game and the feeling that everything was going to be alright sooner or later. I enjoyed touch, and had that special cosy, warm feeling inside, centered in my chest and through it, it was beaming in and out of everything. I thought about DAMP (ADD, ADHD) and how some of the symptoms are part of my personality, and that I really would not like to be 'cured' by whatever might be available. I'd rather see a society which is adapted to different types of personality than one where you have to adapt the people to the increasingly absurd state of the western world.
<DD>-Anonymous, 24mg orally with 10mg 2C-B



<DT>By the fourth hour and onward we had ruthless clarity in communication. Each of our minds was like an impartial and dispassionate judge or shrink, no messing around, no fuss, no emotions, just pure brilliantly clear exposing of whatever needed any clarification. No fear of hurting the other with truth. Just laying it all out. We covered a vast territory, all aspects of our relationship to each other, to friends and clients, everything came under perfect scrutiny. "We decided that this might be a good thing about once a year, to take stock and make sure that nothing is left hidden or unresolved. I was actually surprised how much work can be done just using this laser clear mind. I tend to feel(!) that involving the emotions and the body itself are crucial for inner work. So, got one of my little myths popped!
<DD>-Andrea, 20mg orally



<DT>Slow coming on, took an hour to feel anything at all, and 2 hours to get really into it. Then a visit to all of my current issues, becoming aware of the feelings for each issue yet oddly more like thinking about the feelings rather than experiencing them. Uncomfortable, cuz the issues are uncomfortable. My partner did likewise, but not much discussion. Finally out of issues. Then 3 - 4 hours of intense discussion of all aspects of our lives and relationship. Ayn Rand would have been proud of us! A very clear laser like objectivity, deeply truthful, cleansed of all emotions and yet in no way obscured. We talked about EVERYTHING. ...I had done an acid journey a couple of weeks earlier, with a number of incomplete processes as a result. 2ct2 cleared these up most emphatically.
<DD>-Hara Ra, 24mg orally </DD></DL>
<H2>Negative Results</H2>
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<DT>I had heard from another friend that snorting the stuff was fabulous, so I decided to try it out. We each take two bumps, roughly the size of the end of a pencap. It burns like hellfire for half an hour or so. ...It burns like sulphuric acid and the smell sticks with you for hours and hours. I think the smell contributed the most to the nausea.
<DD>-Anonymous



<DT>I can remember trying to jerk off, taking my clothes off, running through the entire house naked. I can remember going to the cellar, naked, spotting some old TV-Guides for nude women. I can remember going up and down the stairs again and again. I can remember going to the toilet for a shit, wiping my ass and looking at the toiletpaper. I can remember going to the toilet to do exactly the same again, after one minute. I was just completely f**ked. Music did not compute, internally. I was listening to a mixed CD, but the songs did not blend. Instead, when the next tune started playing, a new world would start in my mind. I got dressed, then undressed myself. I tried to jerk off again but was tripping too hard. Got dressed again. Got in bed. Out of bed. Onto the sofa. Watched some TV, tried to jerk off again (to a butt-and-thighs shaper). I got cold. I felt miserable. I was past the phase "Oh God I want this to end". I was past anywhere I had ever been. Yet there were *no* cool trippy effects like with 'shrooms or LSD. I did not enjoy the trip. At T+ 6:00, I think, I got dressed again and made myself a stawberry-jam sandwich. I put on my coat, unlock the door and got out. I only walked for 2 minutes, then got back in. Locked the door again. Took off my coat. Went to the toilet again. It was hell.
<DD>-Anonymous, 32mg orally



<DT>The body load is extreme. 2.5 hours of nausea is not made up for by the high, and no significant insight seemed to come from the high.
<DD>-Purlah



<DT>About a half hour in, without any warning whatsoever, I had to vomit; shortly after that, I was feeling fine again. A half hour later I was finally starting to feel the effects. The effects were mostly visual to me: the room became very soupy, and I was able to play with the trails in the air in a very tangible way. Psychologically, meanwhile, I wasn't particularly stimulated by the experience; it was weird in a very undramatic fashion, but provided no particular 'content' that I could find.
<DD>-Scotto, 40mg orally



<DT>Out of all of the sulfur compounds I found this one the most uninteresting. ...I went ahead and pushed the dose to 32mg and had some very significant side effects (sweatiness, shakiness, jaw clenching, restlessness...sympathomimetic overdrive) and no increase at all in psychedelic or other effects. ...This one just wasn't that interteresting for me, it seemed to "lack" something... but i'm not sure what.
<DD>-Don Carlos </DD></DL>
<H2>Drug Combinations</H2>
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<DT>I laid there with my eyes closed and saw fantastic images passing before my eyes. A strange looking guy playing an acoustic guitar, wearing sunglasses, and in his sunglasses there was a reflection of himself. Cartoonish images that reminded me of the Beatles movie Yellow Submarine and the animations in Monty Python's Flying Circus together with strange looking letters were floating around in my consciousness. I felt the music swirl around my head, it was pure synaesthesia. I no longer smelled, heard or saw anything. I just felt it. I was one with pure cosmic bliss, and every other psychedelic cliche you can think of. I felt myself being transformed into warm jets of energy that were beamed out into the universe as one and all.
<DD>-Anonymous, 16mg orally with 15mg 2C-B



<DT>Im in a really interesting space. VERY nice. Much like mescaline, indeed! Similar to my San Pedro experiences, but milder on the body. I can feel the 2C-T-2 in there, and the MDMA... but theybe all melded into a nice whole. Colors stand out in razor sharp clarity. Very vivid, yet natural. Mescaline-type visuals overall. ... Wow... this has only been 10 minutes? I must be experiencing some pretty heavy time distorions. Laying down in bed with my eyes closed I had some great closed eye visuals. I see things flitting around the corners of my vision with open eyes. Colors are ultra-crisp. I see little fractally overlays over alot of things. Shimmery and spider-weblike. Similar to what I've gotten from mescaline. Sounds of crickets outside are amplified and reverbate - natural music. Physical sensations are amazing. Not quite like mescaline or MDMA but about half way in between the two polarities. I can feel the MDMAishness fading some, but the 2C-B and definately the 2-C-T-2 are going strong still! In some ways theres a GHB-ish feel to the physical aspect. This is very interesting... and nice.
<DD>-Murple, 4mg 2C-T-2 orally with 10mg 2C-B and an unknown dose of MDMA



<DT>I once smoked [cannabis] while the plateau was ending but still quite strong, and the only way I could describe this to a companion was, "THIS is what they mean when they say, 'this is blowing my mind'". Time was extremely slowed and motion had a beautiful, blurred fluidity.
<DD>-77k



<DT>I am just along for the ride, not in control. Unfortunately I am unable to bring much of the experience back. The next time I check a clock it is 2 hours later and I'm left with some vague impressions. I am not the same person who went into this experience, but I can't pinpoint the difference. Confusion reigns. No conscious answers to my questions. Setting requires my attention on occasion, distracting me. I go in and out of the k state for another hour or so, and am mostly back to baseline at the 4 hour point. Sleep comes easily. ...I'm glad I did it, but probably wouldn't repeat the combination.
<DD>-Ouro, 6mg insufflated with 70mg ketamine



<DT>...the dosage was not high enough to fall into the K-hole but combined with the 2CTC2, it allowed you to move in and out of one reality to the next dimension and back in consciousness. Often when taking K by itself, you come out of it like you had a major dream but with 2CT2, you are able to integrate in the different states... further, your motor senses are not completely knocked out, you can have a good trip and physical pleasures combined.
<DD>-Philip, 8mg orally with 50mg ketamine intramuscularly



<DT>As with every other psychedelic, nitrous and 2C-T-2 combine beautifully. I melted into my furniture while my visual field swirled and rippled. Amazing.
<DD>-Anonymous, 16mg orally with nitrous oxide </DD></DL>
<H2>Aftereffects</H2>
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<DT>Undefinable emotion lingering for some time afterward, deep and possibly sad but bound to joy, best word i can come up with is soulful - aware of connection to other feeling beings yet more in touch w/individuality at same time, sometimes an ok lonliness leading myself to myself for companionship or somethin like that.
<DD>-Tigger



<DT>A general feeling of accomplishment and clarity. Much like that after dealing with a very painful headache. When it is gone, the world seems a bit different.
<DD>-Deuterium </DD></DL>
<H2>Long Term Effects</H2>
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<DT>I've got the feeling that I can hear more detail/structure in music. Emotions seem to be more intensified (in an enjoyable way), at some times. Am enjoying lfe more.
<DD>-Barium



<DT>Learnt to look upon our pursuit of wealth and social status, see ourselves great and small at the same time and smile.
<DD>-Skydancer



<DT>Better outlook on the world... 2c-t-2 makes me look at the world through a different set of eyes, which sees the magic hiding in every nook and crannie.
<DD>-Señor Coconut </DD></DL>[/B]
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User Quotes 2C-T-7
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


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<H2>General</H2>
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<DT>I was feeling emotionally cut off and sad, and wanted to explore these feelings more deeply. Physically, nausea came in and out in waves, but not much gas and bloating as experienced before. Violent vomiting at +2.5 hours. This put an end to the nausea. Was able to talk to my love, and apologize for my behaviour as the Robotic Asshole. Deep sobs washed through me. I saw myself with a heart softened by sadness and compassion. I'm grateful to be able to put a crack in The Robot's shell and give the Human a little room to move.
<DD>-Anonymous, 40mg orally



<DT>Very intense come on. I think that going from ground zero to Neptune in the space of ten minutes may be too much for me. Next time I'm swallowing it. Had to concentrate to keep under control. Hardcore stomach rats and shortness of breath. Head pressure makes me want to pop my ears. ... Visuals are kinda mild. ... Very heavy body load. Stomach cramps and shoulder muscles. I puked a little. Seemed to help for a minute. I got my brains together and decided to take a walk to the liquor store. A little booze to take the edge off. ... Everything on this stuff is almost identical to LSD. Same metallic taste when you lick your lips. Same kind of visuals. Shadows and trees waving. Spotlights in the sky. Red and blue shadows. Horrible acid like stench coming from my pores. Walking around helps a lot. It gets my mind off of the cramps. I find that my mind is clear so paranoia does not make much sense. I get myself some vodka (the only civilized drink) and a few swigs seem to help my stomach. I walked around for about an hour. I am cheerful and I know everything will be ok. Five hours later the visual effects mostly gone but still nice trails. ... If I take it again it will be a (still) lower dose. Not sure if it worth the body load.
<DD>-Anonymous, 8mg insufflated



<DT>Walking outside in natural surroundings it was obvious that this compound is highly visual. However the sort of visual effects it produces are quite unique, though difficult to describe. It seemed as if our entire field of vision was alive and pulsing with energy. The grass appeared hyperreal and computer generated, not unlike the habitat of the 'Teletubbies'. Anything that we looked at would seem to dissolve in multiple images of itself. As the drug effects grew stronger these visual transformations reached such an intensity that ordinary scenes were rendered unrecognizable and we found ourselves forgetting where we were- a sort of micro-amnesia. Everything appeared to glow with a strange metallic sheen as if newly made and there was a keen awareness of energy flowing through everything. One curious effect was the tendency for everything to appear as if in a picture, as if it was all perfectly composed, yet even the slightest change would produce another quite different but equally perfect vista. Another strange effect was the tendency for the environment to look squat or shrunken, so that trees even when quite tall appeared like miniatures. But while the landscape appeared shrunken birds flying overhead seemed the size of jumbo jets. However it was difficult to look up and our eyes were continually drawn to the ground and it seemed that we beheld the world through a fisheye lens for the first four hours. At times these effects seemed overwhelming, certainly 2CT7 is a major psychedelic far stronger than 2CB. The peak effects occurred within the context of extreme time dilation and the first two hours seemed to last forever. Our sense of space was similarly distorted and it was impossible to judge the distance of objects and they would appear alternately close and distant. One persistent impression was that our 'auras' or energy fields were somehow crackling with a strange energy and we became worried that other creatures- both animal and human- could sense this. In fact we became convinced that we might be the victims of an unprovoked attack by a dog or a duck. Whenever we encountered straight people we felt highly uncomfortable. Although powerful our thoughts were not as disrupted as they might be on a comparable dose of LSD and communication remained easy throughout.
<DD>-Anonymous, 5mg insufflated



<DT>Allows me to become very introspective, see my life with a clarity that I cannot find without 2ct7. There is also a strong erotic component that is difficult to describe. At higher doses than are the norm for me, the visuals experienced, both open and closed eyed are fantastic. The visuals could be upsetting to some people, but I understand them, and look forward to them. There is a tolerance component also. The use of 2ct7 more than one time a week has a much diminished effect on my body/mind.
<DD>-been



<DT>2C-T-7 is a valuable psychoactive; in my experience it brings on a very calmed, happy state with exciting visuals and extremely increased focus and imagination.
<DD>-Bender



<DT>I'd say there are chemicals that I'd class as viable to "muck about with for fun" but I have earned a deep respect for 2C-T-7. It was quite intense and I feel that I learned a lot. The experience redefined my landmarks for pleasure and endurance, but I would hesitate to recommend it to someone who wasn't comfortable with having to hang onto reality hard if they need to.
<DD>-BigTrancer



<DT>My one oral dose of 25mg resulted in extremely intense effects including ego dissolution and severe tactile distortions and effectively immobilized me on a bed for over 9 hours. Insufflated dosages in the range of 5-10mg only produced threshold effects. 2C-T-7 is the only compound I've yet tried with which I have such extreme sensitivity. I have an average response (perhaps even mild insensitivity) to all natural and synthetic tryptamines I've used thus far.
<DD>-Clandestine



<DT>A buoyant sensation begins to thermally maneuver and spread itself throughout my body, outward from my heart and through the interwoven network of cells until it finds release through the skin. I am warm physically and feel the psychic tension of everyday reality dissipating like so much steam from a kettle. A simply delicious elatedness washes over me, not so powerfully and overwhelmingly as with MDMA, but smoothly, effortlessly sly creeping passion flower. ... Synesthetic fluctuating sounds emerge surreal and psychosomatic structuring realigns itself adroitly. We are all the grand conductors in the orchestra of our own lives, but we are more: we are each the audience in whole I feel the musical quality of the very air we breathe, and move my hands in concert with the pulsing rhythm of the cosmos.
<DD>-Diamond Joe, 35mg orally



<DT>When on 2C-T-7, it feels as if i'm possessed by a spirit. This is not a "body high", but rather a presence in the body. I'd call it enjoyable.
<DD>-DJ Furby



<DT>One thing I think very positive about this substance is its sensual aspect. Hot, passionfruit-style herbal teas and quality wines are extremely aromatic and pleasurable to drink. And, of course, touch is very enjoyable, but in a rich, sensual way, different than MDMA. Acid and shrooms primarily affect visuals and sound, but this substance seems to take visuals, sound, and touch, and just meld it all together. Sound can become touch can become visual, and it's very pleasant because it's controllable. I feel like a wizard because if I concentrate, I can make the wall meld with the floor a little bit, and if I concentrate again, it will go back to normal. At any time, I feel like I can somewhat throw off the effects to become 'sober', which makes 'bad trips' nearly impossible. Anyways, I give it two thumbs up, but I'm still experimenting.
<DD>-Euphony



<DT>Deep thoughts, dreamy, almost sleepy if I just lay around. Moving feels good. Noticable red-blue separation visually, but nothing I can't control. Thoughts could be examined in great detail very quickly. It was different from the spiralling thoughts of LSD. It was layered. Everything had multiple depths to it and each layer could be discerned and examined. Extremely impressive.
<DD>-Flotsam, 30mg orally



<DT>I've tried it at 9mg's and twice at 24mg's. I found the 9mg trip to be very rewarding, but not visually. I prefer this level, it's like meditation then. The 24mg trip was visually interesting, but side effects got much worse.
<DD>-fr33, two oral uses



<DT>Closed-eye visuals are more intense than open-eye ones. 2C-T-7 just makes me want to sprawl out on a bed or couch and not move. It's also a very social drug, it makes you want to be around people. But I wouldn't suggest doing it around people who might hold silly things that you do while intoxicated against you because it does lower your judgement and conscience. Very fluffy, floaty, sparkly trip.
<DD>-grasshopper



<DT>First psychedelic I've done in 30 years. Strange colors, feelings of power, no insight during the trip but tremendous reflection afterwards (for weeks), strong sexual rush. Inability to think lucidly. No, aha! I feel stupid during the trip but am returning thinking I just don't know my way around yet. It was a big step to take it, as I had been drug free for 10 years. But as I remembered, psychedelics aren't like addicting recreational drugs. This drug is a psychedelic akin to mescaline or lsd, is useful and though interesting is not for entertainment. It's usefulness however will win converts and praises which will ultimately lead to its illegality.
<DD>-Hill



<DT>Open eye visual imagery is remarkable, color intensification beyond any other experience. I did not find it particularly spiritually uplifting, compared with say ayahuasca or psylocybin. A large oral dose caused extreme confusion and dissasociation. Moderate doses useful for problem solving, empathy, insight, creativity, music, recreation, intimacy. ... Insuffilation results in much greater discomfort, in nasal passage, and in regard to jitters, tachycardia. Reasonable oral doses were without significant side effects. A large oral dose caused short lived nausea and vomiting. Oral administration has been the best way to reduce side effects. Smoked cannabis helped with nausea.
<DD>-iasion



<DT>Its easier to slip into dark/disconnected thoughts then with other hallucinogens. Set and Setting are easily more important then when on LSD. With 2ct7 most experiences come from deep-within so stable surroundings are important. Conversely, exterior situations are much eaiser to deal with then when on LSD due to less external (social) distortion. Visuals are easily more intense then LSD's, but can be cut through if so desired. The long-term effects are overwhelmingly positive. I've had more breakthroughs after recovering from my 2ct7 trips then I've had in many years.
<DD>-jalad kleen



<DT>I loved this experience. I saw visuals, colors and patterns, almost instantly with my eyes open. I heard music and there was none playing. Shocking! The sound of my own breathing and an air conditioner running. I became afraid for myself, I imagined that I would never trip again not even acid. It was like light speed backwards, to the very core of "I". It was so fast. There wasn't even an inkling of a chance of fighting it--that seemed to only make me wretch. Everything real or imagined ran away FROM ME! The world fractured like black glass. Soon, I knew not if my eyes were open or shut, but infinity became apparent. God was a flat plane over which "I" floated. The disassociation from self was so great, that my body seemed to be asleep while "I" watched over it. I thought I could die, but it wouldn't stop and I'd be "There" forever; so I decided to live while simulaneously deciding that I didn't want it to stop. I figured I WOULD trip again, just not this stuff. Soon, I was so thankful to be "There" I knew I would do this stuff again, just don't know when. It seemed as if those who had ever been "There" before me were still "There". I imagined that if anyone ever went "There" after me, that "I" would still be "There" as well. I experienced what I interpreted to be ancestral memories, entering a spirit world much like that described by users of peyote. Just as my ancestors were talking me through it, just as I grew from a cell to a cave woman to THE woman of the year 2000, I was shot out of the galaxy--quasar, pulsar--far, far away. It was as much like being born as I can remember! But with the most spectacular visuals (much like mushroom visuals)you never or ever saw. How refreshing! That was the first thirty minutes. After about an hour I could speak about what had happened previously and listen to music, much like a regular mushroom trip. It lasted for nine hours with another three of visual distortion and sublime afterglow. I can tell you that the intensity of snorting 35mg of the stuff is very much like dying and going to hell for a brief, yet extended period of time and the shock is so great it seems you might never live again! After that it is heaven, but it comes on so intensely--we shouldn't be allowed to insuffilate such a large dose. Possibly, this intensity is unnecessary. When my boyfriend and I did it, we were alone and snorted it only about four minutes apart. There was no one babysitting us at all when we took it, no one told us we would need a sitter, and we spent the whole night with our front door unlocked, rolling around on the floor--he got rug burns from crawling around in his delirium!
<DD>-Jellymaze, 35mg insufflated



<DT>I took too large of a dose in July, which left me confused and a little worried. All my vitals were normal however and I was fine the next day. I haven't felt the shoulder tension that I felt in July again, but these days I tend to snort it. I start work early in the morning and if I'm going on little sleep I take it to stay up (on occasion). The mild doses are very pleasant [in my opinion]; just a slight dialation of the pupils and a clear lucidity. There are some attitude changes also. Similar to the empathy felt in MDMA yet far less intense. Definitly no blissful emotions like with MDMA. I've started snorting it because it's more economical and it takes only 20-30 minutes until the onset. Orally it takes about 1 1/2 hours. Not a party drug but recommended for reflecting.
<DD>-macinley



<DT>I started feeling weird almost instantly but it took another good 20 seconds after i finished injecting for the real rush to come... I took 50 mg orally not that long ago and i thought it was intense enough for me but belive me those little 5mg were 10 maybe 100 times stronger than that. ... It was so intense that my mind still felt very clear as i was tripping like mad. It was exactly like if i had been thrown in the middle of someone else's trip, really. I got really scared at first because i was not used to be thrown in a trip that intense in such a short time. Actually, the very intense part only lasted 10-15 minutes which means i had very little time to adapt and if i ever do it again i'll certainly not lose part of these precious minutes being scared. ... It took me another 20 minutes to feel down enough to smoke a little, then i took a quick shower and now i am writing this about an hours after injection and i still have very nice effects similar to what i could expect from a 40-60mg oral dose.
<DD>-manda, 5mg intravenously



<DT>I sampled the material a second time at a low dose (5mg) during the recent blizzard which hit the east coast in january. This produced a very joyous, childlike state in me, I went for a 2 mile hike out in a driving blizzard, and had a great time. There was definately a strong visual component even at this low dose... the snow falling looked like clouds of shimmering diamonds. The light from street lamps refracting off the snow drifts gave the impression that the world was covered in huge mounds of purple and pink ice cream. The cold didnt bother me at all. I walked down to a local park where I stood in awe at the snow covered trees. I threw snow balls into the air. I got home, took a hot shower, and made myself some curry. The trip lasted a mere 6 hours or so, but was very nice...
<DD>-Murple, 5mg orally



<DT>Ok, I know some will say it ain't so, but my curtains are revolving tubes of vertical colors. It isn't a huge visual, and it takes some staring, but it is there. This substance gives a secure and warm feeling. In a dose of 2mg it might be an excellent antidepressant. The edge of psychedelia is there even at 4mg, although I have heard it isn't active below 10mg.
<DD>-Oldtimer, 4mg orally



<DT>I think having a meal previous to ingestion is a good thing...it slows down the onset of the experience, giving you more time to adjust physiclly perhaps - seemed like this helped with the nausea, empty stomache trials yeilded some faster onset but more tummy problems. Helps combat dehydration a bit too. Drink lots of water...keep physical activity mild or well monitored...I think it raises ones respiration quite a bit and you tire more easily because of that. Based on some group experiments...lower dosages are better for dancing. Usually leaves you with one good thought to take home with you. Much less mental warping than LSD. Perhaps move visual than LSD.
<DD>-Sage



<DT>Wandering to the beach (I live on the coast of CA), I felt as if everything happening around me was happening just for me. Dogs joyfully chasing sticks, putting on a fantastic show. Pelicans diving into the water at just the right moment. The oil rigs would release a flame of excess gas, lighting up just for me. The truth is the that things were happening around me that I had never seen before, and they were happening at just the right time. I was so happy, because for a period of about an hour at the beach I felt that every thing going on was perfectly timed, done just for me. Back in civilization, my interaction with other people was being carried out in a Zen like fashion. I was fully stimulated, but also in a very special head-space. This orientation was so relaxed, any question directed at me was instantly answered. My feelings about other people were enhanced as on ecstasy, and I feel my confidence was related to my conviction that nothing in the world that was going on was wrong in any way. I had a tremendous sense of purpose.
<DD>-Skip, 12mg orally



<DT>It may emhasize contradictions inside your mind, but it has positive MDMA-like feeling with allows you to process these issues. After the experience I usually get feeling that "pieces of the puzzle" in my life has been put into their places. It helps you to find meaning of different issues in life and find the connection between them. Sometimes the experience is filled with agony and difficult to escape the feeling. I have found out it's best to take the drug rectally. It causes less nausea and you can avoid the burning in the nose when snorting. Onset is more rapid, after 1h the effects are noticeable. The dose can be 30-50% smaller compared to dose taken orally. Medium level experience causes distorted feeling of your own body, it feels like you physical form is something different than normally. Some unexperienced users have found this very frightening.
<DD>-Sk8guy



<DT>This is probably my favorite psychedelic, it gives great visuals, and has an MDMAish quality to it. The overall feel is very positive, definitely in tune with the spiritual world, on the high oral dose there was a definite sense of "something else" out there and that i had nothing to fear. As shulgin said....Green Light!
<DD>-spiritinthesky </DD></DL>
<H2>Visual Effects</H2>
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<DT>The bathroom is incredible. The shower curtain is like a work of 3-D art, enhanced with flowing colors. The toilet paper designs bubble in and out as if boiling. The floor swirls all around, and even the white walls bend, and are covered with bright little specks that fly around.
<DD>-Gumby, 60mg orally



<DT>The world around me eventually took on more movement then has for any other psychedelic trip ever before. Incredabale swimming, inverting, kaleidoscopic motions, always being overwhelming colorful. I was in a darkened room with the computer monitor, and at times the television, lighting up the room. The overhead light was too bright, unpleasant, and overwhelming to keep on. Eventually, the outer world became so changed, it was unrecognizable. It is truly no exaggeration to say I could not see the normal world at the peak of the experience, and I had to feel my way around.
<DD>-MGSeeds, 50mg orally



<DT>The visuals are very disturbing to me. It is a repeating hexagon pattern, with each hexagon made of three diamonds (like a cube viewed with one corner dead on) with a pair of dots in each diamond. The pattern is ugly and really really scares me. I can only handle it at low enough doses that it is very subtle.
<DD>-Miranda </DD></DL>
<H2>Mental Effects</H2>
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<DT>I find 2CT7 a superb instrument to allow oneself to be rearranged - all the way down into the core - into a coherent, harmonious, well-integrated, peaceful, loving and ecstatic human being. And all that in such a gentle and peaceful way. The right dosage seems to be important. (e.g. 30mg/150lb) It's a great material for inner work: deep, patient, kind! And then the bliss...
<DD>-Andrea van de Loo (medicine woman)



<DT>I am a social worker who works with mentally ill people. On this day, I was accompanying them to the theme park for the day. ... the day in the park was a very connective experience, in that my emotional tie to my clients (the patients) seemed to be strengthened by the openess that I was feeling towards them. I felt very understanding of their problems and free to disclose my own problems in comparison. Now, I already got along great with the clients (they affectionately refer to me as 'The Head Client'). The 2CT7 just shed some light on the fact that people are people, irregardless if they are nutz or not. We're all nutz in some way.
<DD>-Catfish Rivers, 25mg orally



<DT>I have benefitted GREATLY from the 2c-t-7 experience. It seemed to "cure" a case of low-grade depression that I have been experience for nearly a year now. Depression that developed as a result of some complex issues in my life. I was able to gain significant insite regarding these issues as by using 2c-t-7 as a tool for exploration. As a matter of fact, I landed in such a good place after the last trip, I have been hesitant to use 2C-T-7 again, because dont know if it will drop me back down in this same place.
<DD>-Doctor



<DT>I was one with the universe. it was great dancing in the rain and jumping in puddles. probably one of the greatest experiences ive encountered in my life.
<DD>-Freedom, 25-30mg orally



<DT>My 2C-T-7 experience inutterably surpassed my wildest expectations: it's the closest i've ever come to religon. 2C-T-7 opens the gateway to another world where all senses are one, and where the mind can do ANYTHING. 100% the most amazingly beautiful 8 hours i have ever lived.
<DD>-Kurt, 30mg orally



<DT>Extremely spiritual drug. At one point in the evening I felt as if my body dissolved and I became the music. Often I would melt into the things I was leaning on (eg. the walls, a refrigerator) in a fun way. Make sure you have reassuring friends around as it is very easy to become scared.
<DD>-loser37



<DT>I had just broken up with my girlfriend of the past six years. Without a doubt, that has been one of the most difficult experiences of my life. Before this trip, I have not been able to except in my mind that our relationship was truly over. My self esteem was as low as could be and I doubted I could carry on with another relationship. This trip allowed me to let go of her and accept that what we once had was over. At the peak, I cried, or rather wailed, for us and what we had. This release of emotion was so intense it was like giving birth. ... Since coming out of this trip, I feel better about myself that ever, and I have a new confidence in me that has not been there for quite a while. It is hard to say exactly what is different, but so much is because of the 2C-T-7. The changes produced go far beyond what I am now mentioning, but I have not had time to integrate all that has happened to me. I just know that my life is truly different now. A true near-death experience. I also quit smoking because of the trip!
<DD>-MGSeeds, 50mg orally



<DT>Greater appreciation for nature was experienced. There was also a great sense of inner peace attained as my feelings towards others were slightly negative, in other words I preferred solitarity to being around large groups.
<DD>-Mo



<DT>What a wonderful substance! It is possibly one of the easiest psychedelics to handle as far as the mental aspect is concerned. It produces very little 'trip' compared to the major psychedelics (LSD, Mescal, Psilocybin). No pronounced ego-splitting, time dilation is minimal, visuals are non-threatening and do not carry much meaning. This drug is not terribly insightful, but it does wonders for seeing the humor in all things. Initiates to psychedelic drugs handle it wonderfully, except for the duration. The drug allows you to retain mental control while still enjoying a myriad of fascinating visual, aural, and somatic effects. I find the drug to be more pleasurable than MDMA, giving a full body rush for an incredible length of time. It makes music sound better than anything. Lots of laughing, singing and lounging around. Let's keep it legal! Please!?!
<DD>-MrGoodTrips



<DT>My main experience was feeling like my skin was several inches thicker. I was much more in tune with my chi and that of others.
<DD>-osi



<DT>I tripped with a few friends on 2-c-t-7 while jamming in a basement. I had done the drug twice before and they had not. After a few hours of rough starts and stops, beer breaks and what not, we started to feel each others groove. Now jamming has inherintly some aspects of telepathy, especially when improvising. But we hooked up on some sounds that were absolutely out of this world. After we nearly collapsed from psychic strain we all related similar tales of "seeing the music" and being led along a path by "merry elementals". ... Playing while high on 2C-T-7 has had a lasting effect on my psychedelic approach to improvisational jamming.
<DD>-Red Lizard, unspecified dose



<DT>I have ingested almost 2 grams of 2CT7 over a 7 month period. I settled into a daily +1 museum dosage of 5-10mg 2CT7. This is something I do with many psychedelic drugs since I use them as therapeutic agents. There is a significant [phenethylamine] hangover from the compound as well as a consistent result from each dose. It was difficult to stop taking 2CT7 and I used a SSRI to regain seratonin balance. I found it to be one of the most powerful cognition enhancers I've ever encountered.
<DD>-swifty



<DT>I have a feeling that this could be a very useful material for enhancing creativity; the mindspace is novel and open enough to be quite inspiring, without impairing one's ability to express the results of such inspiration. I find 2C-B to be very effective in this regard as well. 2C-T-7, however, gives you considerably more time in the state (nearly twice). I also believe that it could be an extremely helpful ally for the shamanically oriented psychotherapist, allowing the patient an incredibly lucid, positive, comfortable mindspace in which to reflect without the marked physical side effects of MDMA or the sometimes threatening intensity of an ego-dissolving LSD session.
<DD>-Trey, 20mg orally



<DT>I got angry/short-tempered without any good reason during both my two sessions, and this is not normal for me.
<DD>-wolf </DD></DL>
<H2>Negative Results</H2>
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<DT>Suffice it to say that at 125mg/110lbs the effects were unpleasant but bearable. My partner and I threw up several times and for a couple hours the visions could be described as "toxic", but the overall trip lasted about 12 hours as usual, and by the halfway point we were coming down normally. We felt surprisingly functional in mind, body and spirit the following day. Also, after we had come down substantially the effects were quite pleasant for me and I had a unique opportunity to integrate some of the darkest visions with some of the most awe-inspiring, giving me some insight into their balance. My partner says she was not so able to integrate the experience, because it was too overwhelming. We were very fortunate to have a close friend who was able to be with us within minutes after calling her. She was very good at reminding us to breathe and find our center. The hallucinations were so intense that it was difficult to see, let alone make eye contact, have a conversation, or attempt to move or manipulate objects. However, my internal landscape, although complex, was coherent and meaningful. I can think of no other entheogen I have personally encountered that can be taken an order of magnitude beyond "recommended" dosage with so few negative physical effects. The dosage we took was unintentional, but in the end we were able to laugh about it and agree that at the proper dosage 2ct7 could be quite useful. We had been complaining that we were "getting old" and never did such things anymore, and in our rush to re-enter the entheogenic realm, we made the kind of careless mistake "mere novices" tend to make. Proof that no matter how much we "know" we are still not infallible. ... While this was certainly a ++++ for me, I'm not sure I could convey the contents clearly enough to emphasize the transcendental aspect of the trip. As far as my girlfriend is concerned, there was no transcendental aspect of this trip, we were merely crazy and/or stupid. Again, I intend to try 2ct7 again at the proper dose for a basis of comparison, and I'm hoping I can write something intelligent and revealing after that.
<DD>-Anonymous, 125mg orally (accidentally taken after the scale was misread as 12.5mg)



<DT>The worst experience of my life. Demons, devils, and all negative experiences. Spent 2 months seeing a psychologist due to post traumatic stress syndrome.
<DD>-Anonymous



<DT>Did a reasonable well measured ammount at burningman. Felt nothing for an hour or two. Was walking constantly durring this time. Then felt like I had to take an emmergency shit. Turns out I had a ton of gas instead followed by dry heaves. Totally sick. Struggled across the playa to my camp (with some rather pleasent visuals that I was unfortunately not in the frame of mind to appreciate). Layed there feeling nasty and quasi delerious. After an hour or two, got up feeling fine and went on with my night.
<DD>-automaton23



<DT>The last time I tripped I took way too much and it was so dissciative, I couldn't walk, talk, focus, see... pretty much anything, I wasn't sure if I was alive or not. It wasn't scary but it wasn't a good thing either. I think I will take a break because I've been using it a lot. I'm ok on the come down if I'm with people, but when alone I get pretty depressed on the initial comedown.
<DD>-Buffy



<DT>Last week I snorted 30mg of 2ct7... This was stupid. I guess it is equal to around 150mg orally the physical effects were too much, in the end I decided i had overdosed and would die. I lay on the floor in my vomit and gave up my body. Once I did this I was shot into a variety of hyperspatial planes, some the same as I visit on dmt or shrooms. Here I was taught many things about myself, time, language and energy. Awesome but I felt lonely and worried for my friends who would have to deal with my death. course, I returned to my body but felt that the 2ct7 had done some real physical damage to my brain, I couldn`t move, see or hear properly. This was pretty upsetting and I called a friend to come over and help me, making that phone call was about the most difficult task I have ever done. The voices didn`t stop until saturday night, 2 days later. I still keep getting tremors of energy rising from my feet and terminating in the center of my brain.
<DD>-crow, 30mg insufflated



<DT>It seems like a shoddy version of 2C-B, not as clean feeling.
<DD>-daoistraver



<DT>The burn was THE most intense pain I have ever experienced from snorting powders and I have snorted some painful stuff ... This stuff throroughly burnt my nose and my throat. Then the taste from the drip was absolutely awful! ... Within five minutes of snorting, it came on hard and fast. I was getting visuals even as I frantically dripped water in my nose. Fifteen minutes later the nasty taste and the terrible burn surged through my head again as I VIOLENTLY puked through both my mouth and my NOSE. I was alternately hot and cold. I expected the mad visuals but I did not expect the strong vibrations, which rattled up through my legs. While the visuals were better than any other psychedelic, I could not enjoy them. Every time I started to trip on them my heart would started pounding really hard. In fact, my heart hurt all throughout the trip and was sore for 24 hours afterwards. I was seriously worried that I might have a heart attack and I believe that I would have one at higher doses. Another difference between this trip and my oral experience was the effects on my mind. My mind was totally dissolved and I experienced complex hallucinations. For example, I thought that I had jumped out my window, then I told myself "Wait! That's a hallucination. I'm standing outside the house," then I thought "Wait! That's a hallucination. I'm looking out my window," finally I realized that I was still in bed and I frantically congratulated myself for not REALLY jumping out my window.Besides the vibrations, mind dissolution, and heart problems, the other suprising aspect was the auditory hallucinations. My hearing was ten times more sensitive then usual. Activity outside sounded like it was right in the room with me. I kept turning down my music because it was overwhelmingly loud. The next day I turned on my stereo and tried to listen to music at the volume that I had set during my trip. I could barely hear the music; I had it turned almost all the way down!!!! Music was also VERY distorted during my trip. Singers sounded very different and the tempo was a lot faster than normal. After trying different types of music it was finally too much and I turned off my stereo. Yet even the quiet room was noisy! I began to hear a ringing in my ears which morphed into different music and voices. If my account of the wild visuals sound fun, don't be fooled; it was really not worth it.
<DD>-HeWhoLives, 15mg insufflated



<DT>I think that it would have been a really enjoyable experience if my dose was smaller. I did not have a *bad* time necessarily, it was just a bit more than I was anticipating. I would do it again.
<DD>-Kaya, 15mg orally



<DT>I had a very bad reaction; pill started to work 2.5-3.5 hours after I ingested [it]. Feelings of sickness (nausea, weekness, loss of dexterity and control of hands and tremors) set in 30 [minutes] before the visuals set in. Feelings of sickness lasted about 7 hours along with extreme [exhaustion] and feelings of loss of consciousness, although I'm told I remained responsive. All in all the trip lasted around 14 hours with a slow come down similar to that of meth.
<DD>-Kim, 10mg orally



<DT>I was propelled into 6 hours of self-sentenced hell, a state of torture through overexcitation of the sensory channels. This was a brutal, relentless assault on the senses. Visuals?? Try near blindess from visual distortion. Sounds being distorted into echoing, chirping aural hallucinations. It was way too much to take. It was as effective a torture as if someone had hooked a mild electric current to my brain stem and turned on the power. Only a seasoned vet could hold on through this. I could easily see other less hardened folks calling 911. And mind you, it was tempting, if only because of the sedative injection that I knew could bring me down. As it was, I only had a bottle of honey liqeuer (70 proof) to help me but you better believe I ran to that f**ker. Alcohol suddenly became a medicine, an anaesthetic to deliver me from the torture. There I was, trying to calculate in my severely confused state how much I could drink to knock me out but not kill me. Meanwhile I almost couldn't even see the bottle, the visual distortion was so blinding. Eventually the alcohol began to wash over and dull the 2C-Torture, but then it would come back in angry waves, overwhelming the alcohol, prompting me to take more anguished swigs. Oh what I would have given for something that would have knocked me out.
<DD>-Methyl Man, 35mg orally



<DT>For me it has an evil side, brings out unpleasant thoughts and feelings, makes everything look weird in a bad way. I expected outrageous visuals and euphoria, and all i got was patterns, body tremors and paranoia.
<DD>-nailz



<DT>Snorting is not the best way to go, it hurts really bad and the transition from completely sober to heavily hallucinating is not an easy one to make in five minutes with intense nasal pain.
<DD>-Siwwygoff



<DT>My first 2ct7 experience was an overdose. I insuffalated approximately 20mg and was sent into delerium. My body felt like it was being torn apart from the inside, and my temperature regulation was out of whack. I closed my eyes and removed my clothing to escape all sensory input and was then thrown into a world of cartoonish CEVs. I have never encountered such engrossing CEVs on dextromethorphan before. This lasted for 2 hours. For the first hour I had "The Fear". Many of my CEVs involved people being found postmortum having died of drug overdoses. During this time I felt as if I were experiencing every awful emotion that one can experience, and the psychological and physical pain was intense. I felt as if my ego had been demolished, but not in the usual sense of "Who am I?" but in the sense of "I am shit, I am no better than anyone else, I am not unique." This does not sound as bad as it really was; it was one of the more psychologically painful experiences in my life. The second hour of delerious CEVs was much less painful. It was during this hour that my ego was rebuilt. I embarked on a bit of a "vision quest", but I never exactly had a sense of OOBEness, I was more of an observer. I travelled through space and time and observed many things including quite a few Southwestern United States landscapes and Native Americans ingesting peyote. All of these visuals were very cartoonish. After this I slowly began to come out of the delerium and was able to open my eyes again, after which I had a normal, albeit intense, 2ct7 trip going. The overdose was a very negative experience but also a very positive one as well. I would not wish to repeat it again simpley because I feel that I may have been in physical danger, because of the physical pain I felt and the temperature regulation problems.
<DD>-Yossarian, 20mg insufflated </DD></DL>
<H2>Drug Combinations</H2>
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<DT>I have smoked 5MeODMT while on 2C-T-7, and found the mix to be contrary. That is, the substances seem to be antithetical to one another. It doesn't leave you much room for insight.
<DD>-Candyass



<DT>I usually took 1 2CT7 [ed.: as Blue Mystic tablets] on the come down of a roll, so 3-4 hours after i took E. It has wired effect. Strong halucinations, everything looks like a van Gogh painting, intensive body sensations, extremly horny, sometimes permanent contractions of stomach muscles. Sex is unbelievable intensive and extremly wild (with my partner being on the same combo, that is). Sleeping problems afterwards, usually mild/medium headache the next day, but no stronger depressive/down feeling than only E nights.
<DD>-E



<DT>2C-T-7 is NO EXCEPTION to the enhancing wonderfullness of marijuana: marijuana can send you back into the visuals after you have begun to come down, each hit is a power pill of visuals.
<DD>-Kurt



<DT>Back into a meditative posture... more light. No aliens, insectoid thought probes, little clowns, there was only pure radiant light. It started from a single point, then flaring out and enveloping me whole. Warmth, pure radiating white, pulsating heat. Physically I feel alive, warm, energetic, happy. Somewhere in there I lost myself and became the light. Maybe I merged with it, maybe I was the light all along, but the perception of the light being something other than me ended, and I was light. Bursts of warm energy bombard me from all sides, a shower of raw energy. ... One primary idea that was present throughout the entire voyage was the need to do things mindfully. If you are not consciously aware of each and every action you make, you are basically sleeping. Every breath, step, keystroke, thought, word, and deed should be the result of a conscious decision, not a subconscious reaction... think about it.
<DD>-Occupant, 15mg 2C-T-7 insufflated with 100mg ketamine and 3 grams Psilocybe mushrooms </DD></DL>
<H2>Aftereffects</H2>
<DL>
<DT>Mild depression and anxiety somewhat similar to the day after an acid trip in my opinion.
<DD>-Abbadon



<DT>[I] felt worn out the day after... was still able to function, but only a t about 70% [efficiency].
<DD>-Anonymous



<DT>Improved mental agility - vocabulary range seemed to widen, less like to say 'erm...' between words of a conversation.
<DD>-Anonymous



<DT>The effects continue on a very empathetic level. I can place myself in anothers position and understand them on an emotionally level.
<DD>-Anonymous



<DT>A mildy positive afterglow seems to occur for the first few days following. I've noticed some lethargy on the day following a high dose, but I would probably attribute this to the lack of sleep rather than directly to the 2C-T-7.
<DD>-Anonymous



<DT>Sporadic mild waves of 'complicated' nausea, combined with chilled sweats, perhaps every 6hrs, lasting about 2 and a half days. Loss of appetite concomitant with presence of nausea.
<DD>-BigTrancer



<DT>Your mind is sharper than the day after other unmentioned drugs, however your body hates you for the abuse of staying awake for so damn long.
<DD>-Bleu



<DT>I felt unable to think completely straight or concentrate deeply for about 24-48 hours afterward.
<DD>-bzwax



<DT>Diarrhea once lasted 2 days afterwards.
<DD>-Catfish Rivers



<DT>The main side effect that I had noticed were problems with memory for approximately a week after.
<DD>-Crazyfish



<DT>Visuals are slightly noticeable for about 48 hours after dosing. Pleasant mood and outlook on life for about the same period.
<DD>-DJ Furby



<DT>Next day tends to be a bit tired-but-happy and a slight positive mood shift can linger for some time.
<DD>-FlipOut



<DT>Very happy and motivated the following day.. everything still seems more vibrant than usual.
<DD>-Helios



<DT>I had pretty severe anxiety for a week. This is most likely due to the bad half of the trip. Also, I couldn't eat for a while afterwards... I fasted from a Friday night until Sunday morning and felt VERY bad on Sunday (the trip was sat. night) and couldn't really eat on Sunday.
<DD>-homeboyJim



<DT>The morning afterwards I found myself extreamly dehydrated, even though I had been drinking water all night. Everything remained fuzzy and lack-luster the day after, but this did not take away from the very positive feelings that I brought out of the experiance.
<DD>-Johnny B.



<DT>This is the only psychedelic which has left me feeling profound goodness long after the experience.
<DD>-jungleboogie



<DT>In some ways comparable to acid afterglow (but without the negative side effects), and in some ways comparable to mdma afterglow (but more colorful).
<DD>-JZ



<DT>Feel refreshed and active the next day.
<DD>-Krash



<DT>I was extremely fatigued for almost a week after use...i have not expirienced fatigue this dramatic from the use of any other drug.
<DD>-loraxxx



<DT>I'm aware that i've been thru an intense psychedelic experience that was worth all of the uncomfortable things I had to go through (i.e. the nausia and "nose burning").
<DD>-lurker



<DT>I usually feel depression/anxiety free for up to a week or so.
<DD>-Mao



<DT>After doing 2ct7 several times I now have a permanent ability to see auras. Generally makes me feel like I'm on a higher level of thinking after usage. Gives me more empathy towards people. I feel more social.
<DD>-Marc Holdger



<DT>Tend to feel exhuasted afterword, usually into the next day. Some muscle stiffness and soreness.
<DD>-Mattbear



<DT>After the trip, I continue to feel warm and gooey inside until I sleep. The next day I feel happy, relaxed, but my muscles are a little sore.
<DD>-MrGoodTrips



<DT>One night, 40mg was taken in a gelcap. After waiting for 6 hours with no noticable effects, I went to sleep. Woke up 8 hours later to intense hallucinations (bright white, primatic colors, patterns) extremely nauseous and vomited explosively. haven't had a similar experience since, after using it several more times
<DD>-OTC Shaman



<DT>I have not noticed any [aftereffects], on the contrary I feel much clearer the next day than with other psycadelics.
<DD>-Paul



<DT>Felt a bit sleepy & worn out, but that passed on quickly.
<DD>-Psychedelic-Me



<DT>The second time I tried 2C-T-7, the residual hangover effect was probably more psychological than physical for me because of the hellish nature of the second trip - I was extremely depressed & felt very disconnected spiritually, as well as finding myself totally incapable of interacting socially in any normal fashion.
<DD>-stardarq



<DT>No residual effects what-so-ever to my dismay. Usually, when doing a psychedelic drug I see trails after smoking large quantities of cannibis for at least a week to ten days, but with 2c-t-7----NOTHING...!@?
<DD>-Trypping Billy



<DT>The first ahrd trip i had on 2ct7, the next day was blissful. I was very alert, body felt loose and relaxed and I felt 100% good. On another instance the day after I was semi groggy, a litle stiff in the joints and in my back.
<DD>-tss



<DT>I had very vivid dreams the following day and my memory seems slightly more in focus - especially of events from many years ago. It also seemed to lighten my mood for a few days.
<DD>-Umbra



<DT>Strong energy for several days after unlike many other substances.
<DD>-Vin </DD></DL>
<H2>Long Term Effects</H2>
<DL>
<DT>The spark of creativity has lasted quite a bit... We're putting everything into action that we talked about when tripping... whereas with other drugs (like MDMA) we talk the talk, but dont walk the walk.
<DD>-Anonymous



<DT>I have completely and permanently forgotten important pieces of information that I thought I knew by heart (Credit card pin number, etc...)
<DD>-Blairistic



<DT>Have resolved relationship problems under the influence. Increased [spirituality]. Inspired artistically by the unique visual character. Helped me grieve for the death of my 18 year old dog, great empathogen.
<DD>-Catfish Rivers



<DT>It seems to have no long term effects when used in moderation.
<DD>-Court Jester



<DT>I experienced memory disturbances for longer then a week.
<DD>-Crazyfish



<DT>I didn't have any bad side effects, but two girls that took the same dose with me got their periods messed up after using 2C-T-7. I think this is worth mentioning since I haven't heard this happen with any other drug.
<DD>-CuteBoy



<DT>I learned alot about myself and the way that I do things. It has helped me to see through my normal barriers and realize/admit to myself things that I needed to do.
<DD>-Daturing



<DT>I feel that I have more insight regarding many of the major problems that I have been facing in life. also, my last experiment was 2 or 3 weeks ago and I am some vary minor flashbacks and vivid dreams resembling the 2c-t7 experience.
<DD>-Doctor



<DT>Meditation has now become much easier and more insighful. Can sometimes reach a "tripping" or "flashback" state with quiet concentration.
<DD>-Dr. Oculon



<DT>I don't know if I've had any long-term effects yet, but I would guess no... with the possible exception of just having a very positive experience and being happy about it.
<DD>-Euphony



<DT>Can still see minor visuals (especially under influence of marijuana) for weeks after use. Increased my tolerance for LSD. A desire to succeed! Strong urge to be more giving to mankind. Went out and volunteered a week after using!
<DD>-Jellymaze



<DT>Possibly has placed me in a better mood as I seem to notice irony in things that I may have missed before.
<DD>-Joe Don Baker



<DT>I'm sure it has damaged my brain/body in some way (as all drugs do). But there is no way for me to know what has been done to me, and I'm not into that spiritual hoopla.
<DD>-John



<DT>Vision is affected for a long long time. I took 2ct7 on saturday and sunday: its now monday and things still look 'off,' psychedlic, as it does in the last hour of an acid trip. Lights are brighter, contrast in increased, things are more colorful, and there is a lot more motion. Trees are so very beautiful all the time now -- they don't look the same as they did before I started on this drug. Also, the drug seems to have a very long afterglow, in the range of 2-3 days.
<DD>-jpx



<DT>A week after taking it, i still felt a mild afterglow, but i get the same thing from MDMA and LSD.
<DD>-JZ



<DT>Myself and others have noticed that, within two or three weeks of using 2CT7, muscle twitches of varying degree become apparent. I believe this substance is probably HIGHLY NEUROTOXIC. With large doses or frequent use, neurological symptoms become more severe. Reported symptoms include: ringing in the ears/"tinitis" like symptoms, muscle twitches, numbness in the extremities, pins and needles etc. Symptoms of cognitive damage are also reported. Impaired memory, especially difficulty in remembering simple things they had never previously had difficulty with, such as telephone numbers or the spelling of frequently used words.
<DD>-labrat



<DT>Seems to dramatically help me with my Obssesive Compulsive Disorder for at least a week after.
<DD>-Miranda



<DT>Colors appear brighter outdoors. Increased feelings (positive) to nature. Trees, plants, and sunsets especially. Nature appears slightly altered...ie...bark waves delicately on trees, the sun and stars are significantly more radiant. Changes appear to be extremely long lasting...if not permanent.
<DD>-Mo



<DT>The insights poured out of my heart & mind, self-confidence, I really believed that I will be something one day =) and I will
<DD>-Mr. Im-Doing-Fine



<DT>I feel that 2ct7 comes and leaves my body very quickly. It is a relatively clean drug.
<DD>-MrGoodTrips



<DT>I gained lasting insight into several interpersonal problems I was at the time unable to get my head around, and renewed several dormant but valuable relationships in response to a reawakened desire to talk to old friends. I was inspired to create some original artworks, which I have not otherwise done since college. I also experienced spontaneous remission from depression lasting approximately 2 weeks.
<DD>-Rev. St. Majoon O'Leary, LDD



<DT>I would say that the side affects have been both beneficial, and slightly disturbing. I would say that I now have a better outlook on life, however, I still notice visual perception changes that make me wonder if I have somehow damaged myself. At night lights still seem brighter than they should be, and colors definitely seem brighter. I don't really mind these side affect, but it seems like they should have gone away by now.
<DD>-RG



<DT>I feel as though my use of 2c-t-7 has effected my thought processes in general. While under its influence, the fashion which I think is very unique... but these patterns have drifted over into my sober life. The condition is best described as arriving at conclusions without thinking about a thing. Almost as though completing a thought is a reflex, and no longer a process.
<DD>-señor coconut



<DT>Sharpened long distance vision still there after almost two weeks! Positive effect!
<DD>-Sir Robin



<DT>Both times I've tripped on 2C-T-7 I have learned a lot. The first trip was partially difficult, but mostly just astounding & the second trip was indescribably horrifying - but I came away from both experiences with a wealth of knowledge I wouldnt have gotten any other way.
<DD>-stardarq



<DT>The introspective and emotionally beneficial aspects of 2CT7 have allowed me to develop and appreciate my relationships with people. 2CT7 has also helped to remove personal obstacles that have prohibited progress in my life.
<DD>-swifty



<DT>I am reminded of what is primarily important in my life, which is family friends and my spirituality.
<DD>-Toronto



<DT>It definitely changes the way you look at yourself as well as other people and people in general. Similar to the first time I tried MDMA, the feelings and thoughts I had following the first 2ct7 trip were very intense and positive, allowing me to look at the grander scheme of things.
<DD>-tss </DD></DL>[/B]
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User Quotes 2C-T-2 vs. 2C-T-7
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


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<DT>I found 2C-T-2 to be nothing at all like 2C-T-7. It has an all together different nature. ... 2C-T-2 hits you hard and fast. 2C-T-7 has a long and slow come up, yet they both peak by the three-hour point. ... 2C-T-2 is not a very visual psychedelic. I had very nice visuals, don't get me wrong, but NOTHING at all like I would on 2C-T-7. ... I was very nauseous in the beginning [of the 2C-T-2 trip], more so than with 2C-T-7 ... It is definitely stronger on a milligram per milligram basis compared to 2C-T-7, as 20 mg of 2C-T-7 would not have been that strong. 2C-T-2 seemed to do little to the music. Again, this is not 2C-T-7. To me, it was more of an introspective head-trip, rather than the mind candy effects of 2C-T-7. I was lost in internal thought, rather than becoming enthralled with the outside world. I disagree with an Internet posting that stated 2C-T-2 is a wannabe 2C-T-7. ... I never experienced any of the body-load that 2C-T-2 has been accused of producing. In fact, it much easier on my body than 2C-T-7 ever has been. ... If you want mind-blowing visuals like those produced by 2C-T-7, this is not your drug. But for an introspective journey with a somewhat short duration and a non-threatening nature, this is the chemical for you. Morning glory seed</DT>
<DT>The visual aspect [of 2C-T-7] was nice, but less pronounced than the visuals from 2C-T-2 or mescaline. The physical body high was similar to mescaline, and quite enjoyable... except towards the end I felt some uncomfortable neck and shoulder muscle tension similar to the phenomenon one of Shulgins associates in PiHKAL described as the 'MDA cloak'. During the peak, I noticed extreme time dilation, similar to 2C-T-2. I also noticed some very extreme aphrodisiac effects during the first hour or so of the trip. This material also doesn't seem to kill the appetite, and I found making and eating a meal after the peak to be an incredible experience. From the time I ate the drug until I was able to fall asleep was around 9 hours. I found the trip to be comparable to 20mg of 2C-T-2, although there are very significant differences between the two. ... Its interesting that I'm unusually sensitive to 2C-T-7, though I show no unusual sensitivity to 2C-T-2. Just goes to show that you cant make assumptions one one drug based on another, no matter how similar they may be.
<DD>-Murple



<DT>Kind of similar to T-7, more distortion, less warmth. With T-7 there is a gentle contentment that is not present here. This is more like the apathy of LSD. The visuals are not the smooth waves of color I get from T-7, but more a fragmentation and 3-dimensional layering with similar refraction. There is no nausea as with T-7 liftoff.
<DD>-Ouro



<DT>It seemed to me, after later getting a chance to try 2ct7, that 2ct2 was a 'wannabe' version of 2ct7, only without quite as much good clean fun buried within it, and for me at least, a significantly higher body load. Scotto</DT>
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[Alfa]

2C-T-2 Synthesis
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


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Taken from PIHKAL by ALexander T. Shulgin


To a solution of 165 g 1,4-dimethoxybenzene in 1 L of CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB>, in a well ventilated place and well stirred, there was cautiously added 300 mL chlorosulfonic acid. With about half the acid chloride added, there was a vigorous evolution of HCl gas and the generation of a lot of solids. As the addition was continued, these redissolved to form a clear, dark green solution. Towards the end of the addition, some solids were again formed. When everything was stable, there was added 2 L H<SUB>2</SUB>O, a few mL at a time, commensurate with the vigor of the reaction. The two phases were separated, and the aqueous phase extracted with 2x75 mL CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB>. The original organic phase and the extracts were combined and the solvent removed under vacuum. The residue weighed 162 g and was quite pure 2,5-dimethoxybenzenesulfonyl chloride, a yellow crystalline solid with a mp of 115-117 °C. It need not be further purified for the next step, and it appears to be stable on storage. The sulfonamide, from this acid chloride and ammonium hydroxide, gave white crystals from EtOH, with a mp of 147.5-148.5 °C.


The following reaction is also a very vigorous one and must be performed in a well ventilated place. To a solution of 400 mL 25% H<SUB>2</SUB>SO<SUB>4</SUB> (V/V) in a beaker at least 2 L in size, there was added 54 g of 2,5-dimethoxybenzenesulfonyl chloride, and the mixture was heated on a steam bath. The yellow crystals of the acid chloride floated on the surface of the aqueous layer. There should be 80 g of zinc dust at hand. A small amount of Zn dust was placed at one spot on the surface of this chapeau. With occasional stirring with a glass rod, the temperature was allowed to rise. At about 60 or 70 °C an exothermic reaction took place at the spot where the zinc was placed. Additional dollups of zinc were added, and each small exothermic reaction site was spread about with the glass stirring rod. Finally, the reaction spread to the entire solid surface layer, with a melting of the acid chloride and an apparent boiling at the H<SUB>2</SUB>O surface. The remainder of the 80 g of zinc dust was added as fast as the size of the reaction container would allow. After things subsided again, the heating was continued for 1 h on the steam bath. After the reaction mixture had cooled to room temperature, it was filtered through paper in a Buchner funnel, and the residual metal washed with 100 mL CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB>. The two-phase filtrate was separated, and the lower, aqueous phase was extracted with 2x75 mL CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB>. The addition of 2 L H<SUB>2</SUB>O to the aqueous phase now made it the upper phase in extraction, and this was again extracted with 2x75 mL CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB>. The organic extracts were pooled (H<SUB>2</SUB>O washing is more trouble than it is worth) and the solvent removed under vacuum. The light amber residue (30.0 g) was distilled at 70-80 °C at 0.3 mm/Hg to yield 25.3 g 2,5-dimethoxythiophenol as a white oil. This chemical is certainly not centrally active, but it is a most valuable precursor to all members of the 2C-T family.


To a solution of 3.4 g of KOH pellets in 75 mL boiling EtOH, there was added a solution of 10.0 g 2,5-dimethoxythiophenol in 60 mL EtOH followed by 10.9 g ethyl bromide. The reaction was exothermic with the immediate deposition of white solids. This was heated on the steam bath for 1.5 h, added to 1 L H<SUB>2</SUB>O, acidified with HCl, and extracted with 3x100 mL CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB>. The pooled extracts were washed with 100 mL of 5% NaOH, and the solvent removed under vacuum. The residue was 2,5-dimethoxyphenyl ethyl sulfide which was a pale amber oil, weighed about 10 g and which was sufficiently pure for use in the next reaction without a distillation step.


A mixture of 19.2 POCl3 and 18.0 g N-methylformanilide was heated briefly on the steam bath. To this claret-colored solution there was added the above 2,5-dimethoxyphenyl ethyl sulfide, and the mixture heated an additional 20 min on the steam bath. This was then added to 500 mL of well-stirred warm H<SUB>2</SUB>O (pre-heated to 55 °C) and the stirring continued for 1.5 h by which time the oily phase had completely solidified to a brown sugar-like consistency. The solids were removed by filtration, and washed with additional H<SUB>2</SUB>O. After being sucked as dry as possible, these solids were dissolved in 50 mL boiling MeOH which, after cooling in an ice-bath, deposited almost-white crystals of 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(ethylthio)-benzaldehyde. After filtration, modest washing with cold MeOH, and air drying to constant weight, there was obtained 11.0 g of product with a mp of 86-88 °C. Recrystallization of a small sample again from MeOH provided an analytical sample with mp 87-88 °C. Anal. (C11H14O3S) C,H.


To a solution of 11.0 g 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(ethylthio)benzaldehyde in 100 g of nitromethane there was added 0.5 g of anhydrous ammonium acetate, and the mixture was heated on the steam bath for 80 min (this reaction progress must be monitored by TLC, to determine the point at which the starting aldehyde has been consumed). The excess nitromethane was removed under vacuum leaving a residue that spontaneously set to orange-red crystals. These were scraped out to provide 12.9 g crude 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthio-beta-nitrostyrene with a mp of 152-154 °C. A sample recrystallized from toluene was pumpkin colored and had a mp of 148-149 °C. Another sample from acetone melted at 149 °C sharp, and was light orange. From IPA came spectacular fluorescent orange crystals, with a mp 151-152 °C. Anal. (C12H15NO4S) C,H.


A suspension of 12.4 g LAH in 500 mL anhydrous THF was stirred under He. To this there was added 12.4 g 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthio-beta-nitrostyrene in a little THF, and the mixture was held at reflux for 24 h. After the reaction mixture had returned to room temperature, the excess hydride was destroyed by the cautious addition of 60 mL IPA, followed by 20 mL of 5% NaOH followed, in turn, by sufficient H<SUB>2</SUB>O to give a white granular character to the oxides. The reaction mixture was filtered, and the filter cake washed first with THF and then with MeOH. Removing the solvents from the combined filtrate and washings under vacuum provided 9.5 g of a yellow oil. This was added to 1 L dilute HCl and washed with 2x100 mL CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB> which removed all color. After making the aqueous phase basic with 25% NaOH, it was extracted with 3x100 mL CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB>, the extracts pooled, and the solvent removed under vacuum to provide 7.3 g of a pale amber oil. Distillation at 120-130 °C at 0.3 mm/Hg gave 6.17 g of a clear white oil. This was dissolved in 80 mL IPA and neutralized with concentrated HCl, forming immediate crystals of 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthiophenethylamine hydrochloride (2C-T-2). An equal volume of anhydrous Et<SUB>2</SUB>O was added and, after complete grinding and mixing, the salt was removed by filtration, washed with Et<SUB>2</SUB>O, and air dried to constant weight. The resulting white crystals weighed 6.2 g. [/b]

[Alfa]

<H1>2C-T-7 Synthesis</H1>


Taken from PIHKAL by Alexander T. Shulgin


To a solution of 3.4 g of KOH pellets in 50 mL hot MeOH, there was added a mixture of 6.8 g 2,5-dimethoxythiophenol (see under the recipe for 2-CT-2 for its preparation) and 7.4 g (n)-propylbromide dissolved in 20 mL MeOH. The reaction was exothermic, with the deposition of white solids. This was heated on the steam bath for 0.5 h, added to 800 mL H<SUB>2</SUB>O, additional aqueous NaOH added until the pH was basic, and extracted with 3x75 mL CH<SUB>2</SUB>Cl<SUB>2</SUB>. The pooled extracts were washed with dilute NaOH, and the solvent removed under vacuum. The residue was 2,5-dimethoxyphenyl (n)-propyl sulfide which was obtained as a pale yellow oil, and which weighed 8.9 g. It had a light pleasant fruity smell, and was sufficiently pure for use in the next reaction without distillation.


A mixture of 14.4 g POCl3 and 13.4 g N-methylformanilide was heated for 10 min on the steam bath. To this claret-colored solution was added 8.9 g of 2,5-dimethoxyphenyl (n)-propyl sulfide, and the mixture heated an additional 25 min on the steam bath. This was then added to 800 mL of well-stirred warm H<SUB>2</SUB>O (pre-heated to 55 °C) and the stirring continued until the oily phase had completely solidified (about 15 minutes). The resulting brown sugar-like solids were removed by filtration, and washed with additional H<SUB>2</SUB>O. After sucking as dry as possible, they were dissolved in an equal weight of boiling MeOH which, after cooling in an ice-bath, deposited pale ivory colored crystals. After filtration, modest washing with cold MeOH, and air drying to constant weight, there was obtained 8.3 g of 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n-propyl-thio)benzaldehyde with a mp of 73-76 °C. Recrystallization from 2.5 volumes of MeOH provided a white analytical sample with mp 76-77 °C. The NMR spectrum in CDCl3 was textbook perfect, with the two aromatic protons showing singlet signals at 6.81 and 7.27 ppm, giving assurance that the assigned location of the introduced aldehyde group was correct.


To a solution of 4.0 g 2,5-dimethoxy-(n-propylthio)benzaldehyde in 20 g of nitromethane there was added 0.23 g of anhydrous ammonium acetate, and the mixture was heated on the steam bath for 1 h. The clear orange solution was decanted from some insoluble material and the excess nitromethane removed under vacuum. The orange-yellow crystalline material that remained was crystallized from 70 mL boiling IPA which, on slow cooling, deposited 2,5-dimethoxy-beta-nitro-4-(n)-propylthiostyrene as orange crystals. After their removal by filtration and air-drying to constant weight, they weighed 3.6 g, and had a mp of 120-121 °C. Anal. (C13H17NO4S) C,H.


A solution of LAH (132 mL of a 1 M solution in THF) was cooled, under He, to 0 °C with an external ice bath. With good stirring there was added 3.5 mL 100% H<SUB>2</SUB>SO<SUB>4</SUB> dropwise, to minimize charring. This was followed by the addition of 8.4 g 2,5-dimethoxy-beta-nitro-4-(n)-propylthiostyrene in 50 mL anhydrous THF. There was an immediate loss of color. After a few min further stirring, the tem-perature was brought up to a gentle reflux on the steam bath, then all was cooled again to 0 °C. The excess hydride was destroyed by the cautious addition of IPA (21 mL required) followed by sufficent 5% NaOH to give a white granular character to the oxides, and to assure that the reaction mixture was basic (15 mL was used). The reaction mixture was filtered and the filter cake washed first with THF and then with IPA. The filtrate and washes were combined and stripped of solvent under vacuum providing about 6 g of a pale amber oil. Without any further purification, this was distilled at 140-150 °C at 0.25 mm/Hg to give 4.8 g of product as a clear white oil. This was dissolved in 25 mL IPA, and neutralized with concentrated HCl forming immediate crystals of the hydrochloride salt in the alcohol solvent. An equal volume of anhydrous Et<SUB>2</SUB>O was added, and after complete grinding and mixing, 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine hydrochloride (2C-T-7) was removed by filtration, Et<SUB>2</SUB>O washed, and air dried to constant weight. The resulting spectacular white crystals weighed 5.2 g. [/B]

[Alfa]

<CENTER>Sulfurous Samadhi
2C-T-2 Flier
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001
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<H1>2C-T-2®</H1></CENTER>
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<H2>2,5-Dimethoxy-4-Ethyliophenethylamine</H2></CENTER>
<H3>What is 2C-T-2?</H3>2C-T-2 is a synthetic compound in the "phenethylamine" family of chemicals. 2C-T-2 is a psychedelic amphetamine with two sides: an energetic "speedy" one and a mind-expanding "trippy" one. The "trippy" effect is the dominant one in 2C-T-2.
<H3>What does 2C-T-2 do?</H3>2C-T-2 has a consciousness-altering effect. In general, this is described as "tripping" or "hallucination". The user's perception of reality changes, time and space take on a different meaning and emotions - either positive or negative - can be enhanced.
<H3>Dosage and use</H3>One tablet of 2C-T-2 contains 8 milligrams of the active substance. 2C-T-2 is sold in sets of two 8mg tablets - a total dose of 16mg.


If you are using 2C-T-2 for the first time, or only want to experience mild effects, take one tablet with a considerable amount of water. It is advisable to have some food in your stomach, so as to retain the water for a time. If you take two tablets (16mg), expect a strong and intense experience. Never take two tablets the first time you use 2C-T-2!!!
<H3>Setting</H3>Hallucinogens like 2C-T-2 strengthen the intensity of your senses. Use these substances in a peaceful setting. Outdoors (in a wood or park) or at home are ideal places. Do not take them when you are alone, unless you are an experienced user. Well-chosen music and light, incense and your own positive attitude can heavily influence the effects of the substance, and will intensify the experience. Ensure that you have plenty of water to hand, and a place where you can lie down comfortably.
<H3>Warning</H3>Consciousness-changing substances such as 2C-T-2 can have a major effect on your life. In our opinion, their benefit comes from integrating the insights which you gain during your experience into your life. Never underestimate 2C-T-2!


After using 2C-T-2, take good care of your body. A balanced diet and use of the correct vitamins and food supplements will accelerate the recovery of your brain and other organs. Drink plenty of fluids during the days following use, so as to detoxify your body rapidly.
Do not use 2C-T-2 if you:
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<LI>are pregnant or breast-feeding;
<LI>suffer from depression;
<LI>are taking mood or consciousness-altering medicines or other drugs;
<LI>are diabetic;
<LI>have high or low blood pressure;
<LI>have a heart or lung disease;
<LI>have ever had hepatitis A or B or any other liver infection;
<LI>intend to drive or operate machinery;
<LI>have drunk alcohol;
<LI>are younger than 18;
<LI>are being forced to against your will; </LI>[/list]

If you are in any doubt do not take the substance, or ask a specialist or doctor for advice!


Increased physical effort whilst using 2C-T-2 can cause nausea and headaches.

[Alfa]

<CENTER>Sulfurous Samadhi
Blue Mystic Flier, Version One
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001
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Blue Mystic (contents per tablet: 7.5 mg PT-DM-PEA) 5 tabs. = 1-2 doses


Dosage:
Women usually need 2-3 tabs for a full dose, while men normally need 4-5 tabs for a full dose. Take the wanted dose in once. Double dosing is not a option because that does not increase the effects. Because about 15% of the people that try this psychedelic, need much less than others, it is very strongly recommended to start with a low dose the first time you try this. Being careful may cause that you miss the boat, but that is better than to take too much. You can work your way up in a different few times to try to find your optimal dose.


General effects & course of the experience:
This is a strong one. The effects can last 8 up to 15 hours. A lot of people compare PT-DM with mescaline for the feeling and visuals that it brings. There are also characteristics of 2CB, LSD (visuals) and MDMA (feelings) involved. The onset usually begins between 30 - 90 minutes after ingestion. For some the onset takes a little bit longer. An energetic / physical dynamic feeling, visual and auditory changes come in. The way up to the peak may be a little bumpy. Approximately 1- 2 hours after the onset the peak experience begins. This can be compared to the peak of mescaline and is often experienced mystical and full of awe. Most find it much easier to navigate than with other psychedelics. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 - 6 hours after onset a plateau sets in and will stay for 2,5 - 6,5 hours. This is a long one. But you are able to sleep and eat if desired. The plateau is considered mild but absolutely present. The visuals are subtle and a strong feeling, (a bit MDMA-like) lasts for the rest of the experience. Some experience time dilution. Best synth we know of! Please read the enclosed flight instructions.


Usage:
Take this on an empty stomach / after a very light meal, or otherwise there may be some nausea in the beginning of the experience. Drink enough fluids during the experience to prevent dehydration. If at any time headache may occur during the experience, then solve this by eating and drinking The way you feel and think before the experience is essential for the character of the experience. So, if you don't feel comfortable and well, postpone the use of The Blue Mystic. We strongly advise you to take the trip in a peaceful and relaxed environment: Preferable in the presence of good friends. Blue Mystic is not suited for party's. This is something to take time for. Make sure there are no troubles on your mind. [/B]

[Alfa]

Blue Mystic Flier, Version Two
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


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<H1>Blue Mystic</H1></CENTER>


Dosage:
Women usually need 1-2 tabs for a full dose, while men normally need 2-3 tabs for a full dose. Advice for women: Do not take more than 2 tablets within 8 hours. Do not take more than 1 tablets the first time that you try Blue mystic.
Advice for men: Do not take more than 3 tablets in 8 hours. Do not take more than 2 tablets the first time that you try blue mystic.
Take the wanted dose in once. Double dosing is not a option because that does not increase the effects. Blue Mystic has a steep dose-response curve.
Because about 15% of the people that try this psychedelic, need much less than others, it is very strongly recommended to start with a low dose the first time you try this. Being careful may cause that you miss the boat, but that is better than to take too much. You can work your way up in a different few times to try to find your optimal dose.


General effects & course of the experience:
This is a strong one. The effects can last 8 up to 15 hours. A lot of people compare PT-DM with mescaline for the feeling and visuals that it brings. There are also characteristics of 2CB, LSD (visuals) and MDMA (feelings) involved. The onset usually begins between 30 - 90 minutes after ingestion. For some the onset takes a little bit longer. An energetic / physical dynamic feeling, visual and auditory changes are the keywords here. The way up to the peak may be a little bumpy. Approximately 1- 2 hours after the onset the peak experience begins. This can be compared to the peak of mescaline and is often experienced mystical and full of awe. Most find it much easier to navigate than with other psychedelics. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 - 6 hours after onset a plateau sets in and will stay for 2,5 - 6,5 hours. This is a long one. But you are able to sleep and eat if desired. The plateau is considered mild but absolutely present. The visuals are subtle and a strong feeling, (a bit MDMA-like) lasts for the rest of the experience. Some experience time dilution. Best synth we know of!


Usage:
Take this on an empty stomach / after a very light meal, or otherwise there may be some nausea in the beginning of the experience. Drink enough fluids during the experience to prevent dehydration. If at any time headache may occur during the experience, then solve this by eating and drinking
The way you feel and think before the experience is essential for the character of the experience. So, if you don't feel comfortable and well, postpone the use of The Blue Mystic. We strongly advise you to take the trip in a peaceful and relaxed environment: Preferable in the presence of good friends. Blue Mystic is not suited for party's. This is something to take time for. Make sure there are no troubles on your mind. Have an excellent flight....


Warning:
This product is not meant for human consumption outside the Netherlands. Outside Holland it may only be used for research purposes.


This is a dietary supplement en should only be used as such. Always consult your physician before use. Especially un case you are under medical supervision. Do not use in case of hart and vascular diseases, in case of high blood pressure, affection of the thyroid gland and / or the adrenal glands and / or the stomach and / or the urine ways, elarged prostate, diabetes, any psychological problems, in case of the use of MAO-inhibitors and / or medicines and / or alcohol and / or drugs. Do not use in case of pregnancy or nursing.


This product is not intended or suited to be used to cure, relieve, or prevent from any affection, disease, symptom, pain, injury or infirmity of man. This product is not meant or suited to be used to cure, improve or change the functioning of human organs, to diagnose by administration or application to man.. This product is not meant or suited to be used as meant in the Dutch medicine law.


Not intended for persons under the age of 18 years old. Store cool and dry. Store out of reach of children.



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<TD>Expiry date:</TD>
<TD>12/2002</TD></TR>
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<TD>Contents:</TD>
<TD>3 tablets (1-2 doses)</TD></TR>
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<TD>Ingredients:</TD>
<TD>10mg PT-DM-PEA</TD></TR>
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<TD></TD>
<TD>195mg calcium carbonate</TD></TR>
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<TD></TD>
<TD>50mg Microcristalline cellulose</TD></TR>
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<TD></TD>
<TD>1mg FD&C Blue #1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Alfa]

<CENTER>Sulfurous Samadhi
Blue Mystic Shopkeeper Instructions
by Murple, Feb 6, 2001
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Instructies voor verkoop:
Verkoop niet aan minderjarigen, aan mensen waarvan bekend is dat zij een psychische problemen hebben of aan diegenen die buitensporig vaak voor eigen gebruik komen halen. Deze gevallen kunnen problemen opleveren voor winkel en product. Geef elke klant persoonlijke informatie over The Blue Mystic. Informeer naar welke andere middelen en welke doseringen daarvan hij of zij gewend is. Dat kan je een aardig beeld geven van de juiste dosis. Lichaamsgewicht doet bij dosering van Blue Mystic veel minder ter zake, dan bij andere substanties. Van Blue Mystic zijn in verschillende smartshops samples genomen door de politie, om te onderzoeken of dit product legaal is. Het resultaat daarvan was mondelinge goedkeuring van verdere verkoop van dit product.



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Instructions for resale:
Do not sell to people under 18, people with known psychological problems, or those who buy exceedingly large amounts for personal use; ignoring cases like this could result in problems for the shop and the product. Make sure each individual client is educated (informed) about 'The Blue Mystic'. Ask about other substances, and dosages they are used to taking. This should be helpful in determining the correct dosage. Body weight is less of a factor with 'The Blue Mystic' compared with other substances. Police have taken samples of 'The Blue Mystic' at several smartshops to determine if it was legal to sell. The result of their tests were verbal approval and continued sale of the product. [/B]

[Alfa]

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by Murple, Feb 6, 2001


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[argovistov]

Isnt it easier just to post a link to Erowid?

[Alfa]

Why should it be easy?

[big-lester]

wow, that was very interesting

[Toltec]

Awesome read! Thanks for posting that Alfa.


Namaste

[enquirewithin]

This is great work by Murple, but perhaps it should be noted that the
author is now very wary of 2cx compounds-- 2C-T-7 especially!
Edited by: enquirewithin