Dose - First Time Benadryl (Diphenhydramine)

[Diphenhydramine]

Right.



Except that it is a deliriant, and not a hallucinogen. It will
not make the sky melt, or create pretty geometric patterns. You
will instead see a reality that you will think is real, but it isn't.

[Nagognog2]

Benadryl - diphenhydramine - is not quite the exact same thing as dramamine. But they are closely related.

Oh, and that wasn't a troll, that was me.

[Emperiorjack]

I once had a hard time going to sleep and I took 10 benadryls and an hour later I wasn't sleepy so I took 7 more. Then I felt really weird after that but I didn't hallucinate or anything. I just had a weird buzz like my body lost feeling in it. One thing though is that benadryl gives me panic attacks and makes it really hard for me to talk to people cause its hard to project my voice out cause Im all panicky. Anyone else experienc this?

[AceOvArts]

SWIM noticed that if he took 2 Benadryls in the afternoon to stop a runny yayo nose he would have a really bad nights sleep, many nights not sleeping at all. He never takes Banadryl in the afternoon now.

[IDealinDreams]

SWIM tried to get high off Benadyrl for the first time last night, using tablets with a 25mg dose. He took 8 tablets and after an hour his body load was unbearable, and he felt sick to his stomach. SWIM's friends were outside smoking weed, and he kept thinking the sliding door was opening and they were coming back in by the sound he heard, but nothing was actually happening. He saw some minor possible hallucinations, but brushed them off and fell asleep before things got any crazier. He's convinced that if he'd stayed up longer, he would've tripped out of his mind, and does in fact feel high right now at work. He's not incapable of doing anything, he drove to work just fine, but he does feel a little weird, especially his throat, and he's havin some mild breathing troubles he may or may not be imagining.

SWIM will probably try scaling upwards next time.

[CrystalDextro]

Ive had a similar incident taking 8. Within an hour i fell asleep in fear of throwing up because of the extreme nausea it was the worst nausea ive ever experianced. I woke up the next working with my head spinning so I figured they were psychoactive as I had heard.

[IDealinDreams]

Well, after thinking about last night's escapade (as written about above) SWIM really wishes he'd stuck it out and not fallen asleep. SWIM thinks things would've gotten nuts. SWIM would like to try again tonight, but he doesn't know if it's just too soon and he's risking his health problems. Today, swim feels weird in the chest like his breathing is off and his throat is dry. If he doesn't try tonight, SWIM will not be able to try for a while. Can anyone suggest if SWIM is safe to try again?

Also, if SWIM decides to do DXM, will it have a bad reaction with whatever is left over from the Benadryl in his system? SWIM does not want to take any extreme risks, but this will be the last time SWIM can get high for a while, so he'd like to know.

[Phungushead]

Diphenhydramine is not a good thing to do often (if you have to do it at
all). There's some health/side effect information here:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10282

[RealGanjaMan]

First of all, I see nearly all of the replies in this thread are negative. That does NOT mean that diphenhydramine is always a bad experiance. Diphenhydramine can be a very interesting substance if the experiance is done correctly. SWIM finds the best advice he has ever taken towards any substance is this:

Know Your Body.
Know Your Mind.
Know Your Substance.

This advice has been priceless to SWIM.
SWIM also finds that this is ESPECIALLY important to diphenhydramine.
I'll explain how SWIM uses this advice:

Know your body - Know how your body reacts to the substance you are taking. Start as low as possible, and take it up a step everytime untill you find a comfortable level. SWIM would reccomend you do not up your dose anymore once you find this level, unless you are very comfortable with your mind AND substance. All it takes is one bad experiance, and you may never be able to enjoy that substance again. If one knows his body, the risk of O.D. greatly decreased.

Know your mind - Do not take any substances unless you are very comfortable with your current mental state. In other words, if you are feeling depressed, anxious, etc it is probably best to work out those conditions before taking any substances. If one knows his mind, and how it reacts to different chemicals, the risk of bad trips are also greatly decreased.

Know your substance - Reasearch as much as possible before taking a new substance. Make sure to ask any questions you might have, and read up on the effects certain drugs produce. Also read as many experiances as you can. This will give you a little bit of a feel for what a certain substance if like. It also gives you an idea of what to do and what not to do while under the influence of cetain substances. If one knows his substance, the chances of being surprised are by unwanted effects are way smaller.

This is just how SWIM uses the advice in his life.

-RGM

[Psychoslacker]

I took 4 Benadryl yesterday then another 2 after about an hour and a half. I felt wieghed down and kindof mellow. I didnt trip by any measure of the word. I never felt like it would get crazier so i just went to sleep after about 5 or 6 hours. I'm assuming that this isnt all bullshit so I think I'l try it again but with a higher dose.

[gamerndm]

This is one of those drugs that 100 people can take and all of them get comlpetly different results. some people have conditions that they didn't know they had until this drug reacted adversley with the condition. (shortness of breath, etc...) Some will trip hard, some wont halucinate at all. the first time SWIM took it, he took 8 as well, with somewhat similar affects as listed above, and once took 16 with stil no major halucinations. you really just have to try it for yourself to see how it works on you.

[greyskylullaby]

well tonight will be the 4th time i try tripping off of benadryl, my first time i started with 3 and upped the dose to 6, but nothing major happened, so i feel asleep. the next time i only took 4 and was abou tto take 4 more when i was rudely inturrupted and couldnt take anymore till hours later, so no major affects AGAIN. the 3rd tme i took 7 all at once but i was so tired already that i fell asleep. i was awaken a few hours later extremely dizzy and feeling a bit of the heaviness, but i was too tired so i just fell back asleep. that was last night. now im about to try again with 8.. im starting to wonder if maybe im just not supposed to be able to enjoy this drug..

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[Sangye]

SWIM is looking for an OTC way to truly leave reality this weekend. He has very little experience with diphenhydramine, and none with dimenhydrinate or marezine. SWIM is posting in this forum because he has read numerous trip reports of those venturing into the outer fringes of reality while under the influence of these substances.

SWIM is curious as to which of these drugs could be seen as having the greatest benefit : cost ratio.

SWIM weighs 230lbs and generally takes more than the prescribed dose of any given medication, as he seems to have a natural resistance to must drugs. Given these factors, what would an appropriate first time dose be for whichever substance is found to have the greatest benefit : cost ratio?

SWIM is ready and willing to experience an ethereal "nightmare trip", but would rather not end up in the hospital.

[Nagognog2]

What pre-cautions have been put in place?

[Sangye]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

What pre-cautions have been put in place?

SWIM will have a dedicated sitter, and is near a hospital should a trip there become necessary.

As stated, though, SWIM would like to avoid that.

[Alicia]

Oh Swiy could leave reality this weekend, but its what you'd come back would be the problem. here some pointers perhaps one should consider.

One may wish to consider his/her medical history specially the mental aspects of ones health. Is there a family history? Does Swiy have a sober sitter that are cr trained or a sitter that can be trusted to talk down or calm in difficult situations. Is a possible stay 3 days in a psychiatric unit going to be warranted?

[Sangye]

Originally Posted by Alicia

Oh Swia could leave reality this weekend, but its what you'd come back would be the problem. here some pointers perhaps one should consider.

One may wish to consider his/her medical history specially the mental aspects of ones health. Is there a family history? Does Swiy have a sober sitter that are cr trained or a sitter that can be trusted to talk down or calm in difficult situations. Is a possible stay 3 days in a psychiatric unit going to be warranted?

SWIM has a family history of BPD and depression. While SWIM himself has observed symptoms of depression in the past, he does not seem to have BPD. There's no family history of schizophrenia, if that's what SWIY was getting at.

As for a psych ward, yes, I suppose if it became necessary SWIM would have access to one, but again, he'd rather avoid it.

Really, SWIM is less concerned about temporary psychological distress (there'll be a sitter, and generally SWIM can cope well), than about long-term health problems -- the possibility of brain damage or poisoning, for instance. That's what SWIM is truly worried about, and does not want to risk.

[Mint boi]

BPD as in borderline personality disorder? swim would advise rethinking what you have planned if there is a history of the in your famly you wouldn't want an underlying condition to be aggrivated

[hh339]

Borderline personality disorder wouldn't worry SWiM that much in this case, since everyone seems to have it these days and everyone responds about equally to "drugs" anyway, compared to people that don't have that diagnosis. I get the feeling that a LOT of people out there don't have it even if their Doctor said so a while back, it even happened to me. Turns out some Doctors can't even tell the difference between ADD and Borderline, which is quite scary. Many friends of SWiM would tell you about the same about BPD. Anyway, I woudn't worry about that.

This is not an instruction, just SWiM's opinion, don't blame him if it goes to hell

[Sangye]

Originally Posted by hh339

Borderline personality disorder wouldn't worry SWiM that much in this case, since everyone seems to have it these days and everyone responds about equally to "drugs" anyway, compared to people that don't have that diagnosis. I get the feeling that a LOT of people out there don't have it even if their Doctor said so a while back, it even happened to me. Turns out some Doctors can't even tell the difference between ADD and Borderline, which is quite scary. Many friends of SWiM would tell you about the same about BPD. Anyway, I woudn't worry about that.

This is not an instruction, just SWiM's opinion, don't blame him if it goes to hell

Yeah, it does seem to be a frequently misdiagnosed disorder. In SWIM's case though, no one in the family was actually diagnosed. His grandfather committed suicide and SWIM's uncle alienated himself from the family to the point that he becomes suicidal when a family member tries to contact him. SWIM's mother read up on BPD after the incident with her brother and believes that it explained the oddities of many family members, but again, no doctor ever diagnosed them.

SWIM feels that he has a good enough grip on himself that psychosis or the release of dormant condition probably wouldn't be a problem.

He's just looking for a physically-safe mental vacation this weekend; again, temporary psychological problems are less of a concern to SWIM than actual physical brain damage.

[chrisn]

Diphenhydramine (and dimenhydrinate, as it is basically the same thing with some extra atoms attached, and thus requires double the dose and comes on slower) will certainly let you leave reality, it turns your reality into a dreamworld where it is difficult or impossible to tell what is real and what is not. I have not heard of reports of psychological problems related to infrequent DPH use although there are scattered reports of seizures, so it is important to start at a low dose and work your way up. Some people also have HPPD-like symptoms from these that can last quite a while, although that is usually only after chronic use. Still, it is not unusual to have residual effects for 1 or 2 days. Generally, DPH is not a recreational drug, and at doses where the crazy stuff starts happening, most people are severely confused, delusional, and have little short-term memory at all. Still, SWIM considers his own experiences worthwhile and would recommend it to anyone who has read enough about the substance to be sure they still want to do it.

I've also seen listed various conditions that should not be subjected to DPH use, such as stomach ulcers. It's always a good idea to check out whatever FAQs are available on Erowid.

[El Calico Loco]

Make sure that Swim's sitter is capable of physically restraining him if necessary. DPH does genuinely remove one's rational mind from the equation as well as one's senses. One might jump of a 9th floor balcony because it looks like it's only three feet down.


ECL

[asdasdasd]

for an OTC trip, why would anyone choose an anthistaminic instead of DXM? The effect of the dxm is really funnier, SWIM tried DXM many times and it is in fact his favourite drug. SWIM tried dimenhydrate only one time and hate the effects, felt very sick and weak, he hates the effects. With DXM SWIY would leave reality, at the first trips it is amazing... of course it loses it's magic with time, but it remains a beautiful experience...

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Diphenhydramine can have it's wonders but it can take SWIY to some pretty horrific places in their subconscious.This is not something that should be taken lightly.It's abit like primal scream therapy for the mind an escape and an ugly truth all at once.

[Fantasian]

Read up on alot of the experience reports to get some idea of what to expect, cyclizine, dramamine etc. THen start low, you can always add more dosages but you can never ever go back.

You've already got a sitter, try to psychologically ground yourself in the fact that you trust in them 100% completely, in the experience you may well see or experience fear anger and hate for the person with you but somewhere at the back of your mind you have to believe in that they are taking care of you. If there is any doubt you will run into difficulties.

Try to keep hydrated, this will help the trip run smoother and less harshly on your body. Do it in a safe and reltively confined space, not outside etc, these deleriant antihistamines arn't like LSD or mushrooms they literally tear your perception apart, you have no idea what is real and what is not nor can you get any grounding from what you see.

My last bit of advice is not to expect a trip or recreational experience as this isnt what this is. It's a delerium, similar to that when someone gets a temperature and gets flu delerium, it can be very very unpleasent and at it's best interesting.

All the best and make sure SWIY writes up an experience report