Opinions - No euphoria

[Daytona71]

Still no euphoria. Could it be age related if one was over 50? How about the fact that SWIM has 90mgs. of mnethadone, 96mgs.of hydromorphone, 40 of diazepam and a tab of whatever Ambien is at bedtime? Too many depressants that counteract the dexedrine? SWIM remembers 20mgs of what was called a "Black Beauty" rocking back in that day somuch SWIM could not believe it was legal! LOL Now 50-60mgs. does not do anything euphoric. Also been on it for a year or so with little breaks but never anything as expected.???

[dark12]

That dosage of hydromorphone alone would probably kill anyone.

Anyway, SWIM gets 20mg of Dexedrine IR(dextroamphetamine) per day prescribed. He has taken doses of 50mg on an empty stomach and not felt even a mood lift, let alone euphoria.

Most people SWIM knows say they get euphoria from dextroamphetamine, so SWIM feels he is just immune to amphetamines or something. Perhaps it's the same for SWIy?

The strange thing is that MDMA(methylenedioxymethamphetamine) is EXTREMELY euphoric to SWIM, so maybe he just expects to much from a mere ADHD medication.

40mg of hydrocodone will make SWIM float on air for hours in complete bliss. Unfortunately, SWIM barely ever gets hydrocodone prescribed. What a cruel world...

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by dark12

That dosage of hydromorphone alone would probably kill anyone.

Anyway, SWIM gets 20mg of Dexedrine IR(dextroamphetamine) per day prescribed. He has taken doses of 50mg on an empty stomach and not felt even a mood lift, let alone euphoria.

Most people SWIM knows say they get euphoria from dextroamphetamine, so SWIM feels he is just immune to amphetamines or something. Perhaps it's the same for SWIy?

The strange thing is that MDMA(methylenedioxymethamphetamine) is EXTREMELY euphoric to SWIM, so maybe he just expects to much from a mere ADHD medication.

40mg of hydrocodone will make SWIM float on air for hours in complete bliss. Unfortunately, SWIM barely ever gets hydrocodone prescribed. What a cruel world...

It's Hydromorphone(Dilaudid) that swim gets and orally 40mgs. does nothing but relieve the pain. Until 3 weeks ago SWIM had a Morphine pump delivering 25mgs. to the spinal canal daily but the pump was not approved for use in the States and started torun erratically. That was with the other 2 opioids. Even insufflated the hydromorphine does not cause any euphoria either. Dextro is not a mere ADHD medication and a regular methamphetamine user would be hard pressed to tell the difference on an equal dose. As stated earlier a single Bi-Phetamine capsule was rocking and SWIM even split it into 2 doeses about 4 hours apart. However that was 35+years back Back then there was MDA around at times which started as a stimulant, went to a hallucinating action and finished like a barbiturate.
Baking soda does potentiate the amps but does not help with the euphoric feeling SWIM remembers so fondly. SWIM had several times with street methamphetamine and that was as SWIY put the MDMA extremely euphoric. Doseages were of course unknown. Certainly 50-70mgs.of Dextroamphetamine should replicate the same feeling as the "Black Beauty" did back in the day.
As for the opioids SWIM had the back injury in '91 and surgery in '93 with a 2 level fusion in 2000, pump embedded in '03, removed in '09 with more to come. No more warm fuzzy there either on anything. However with 90mgs of methadone, 12 x 8mg.tabs of hydromorphine and the direct Morphine to the spinal canal for 5 years daily there is likely some tolerance. It is the dextro that is most frustrating. As for the opioids I simply want the pain controlled. A SWIY of SWIM in the same age category also found that 70mgs. of the amps simply allowed SWIY to stay awake longer. NO EUPHORIA. So what's up?? Certainly not SWIM!

[dark12]

Yea. That sounds very unfortunate for SWIy.

It's strange that even when SWIM had zero amphetamine tolerance he didn't experience euphoria. I still find it hard to believe that dextroamphetamine is anything like dextroamphetamine. It just doesn't seem possible when one hears about the stories of people ruining their lives over a meth addiction. SWIM can't imagine anyone liking methamphetamine that much. Soon SWIM is going to wait a week or two and lose some tolerance and then take around 100mg and see if it gives him any euphoria.

It's strange, because it makes him noticeably more focused in class, so the therapeutic benefits are definitely there. If SWIM insufflates the Dexedrine he will get a small rush that lasts a few minutes. That is about the extent of Dexedrine's recreational use for SWIM.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by dark12

Yea. That sounds very unfortunate for SWIy.

It's strange that even when SWIM had zero amphetamine tolerance he didn't experience euphoria. I still find it hard to believe that dextroamphetamine is anything like dextroamphetamine. It just doesn't seem possible when one hears about the stories of people ruining their lives over a meth addiction. SWIM can't imagine anyone liking dextroamphetamine that much. Soon SWIM is going to wait a week or two and lose some tolerance and then take around 100mg and see if it gives him any euphoria.

It's strange, because it makes him noticeably more focused in class, so the therapeutic benefits are definitely there. If SWIM insufflates the Dexedrine he will get a small rush that lasts a few minutes. That is about the extent of Dexedrine's recreational use for SWIM.

"It's strange that even when SWIM had zero amphetamine tolerance he didn't experience euphoria. I still find it hard to believe that dextroamphetamine is anything like dextroamphetamine. "

SWIM believes SWIY meant methamphetamine. The Meth is stronger but the effects are very similar. Certainly SWIM would choose the Meth but SWIM doesn't even think it is available with a prescription anymore and last SWIM checked it was very expensive. Some like the mix of dextro and levo when it is the dextro that is the better of the two, to each his own.
SWIM wondered if meth could be synthesized from the dextro but found no such info. Still has it's place and keeps SWIM awake behind the wheel of a car.

[dark12]

Yes, thank you that is what I meant.

SWIM is almost positive he read that it possible to convert dex to meth... He'll search for the post after work.

[Grey Sky]

Swim also has ADHD and is prescribed dexamphetamine at 25mg/day, but he doesn't get euphoria from it either, and taking too much just makes him a bit jittery and uncomfortable. He's also tried MDMA, and he got euphoria and visual effects from that.

It's Swim's understanding that amphetamine commonly has a different effect on people with ADHD compared to people without ADHD. Amphetamine works by expelling dopamine from cellular vacuoles and inhibiting it's reuptake, thus increasing the intercellular concentration of dopamine, but ADHD is associated with abnormally low levels of intercellular dopamine in the pre-frontal cortex, so it takes a certain dose of amphetamine just to normalise the dopamine levels in a person with ADHD. Also, since their brain is used to chronically low levels of dopamine, they may have an unusual response to elevated dopamine levels due to atypical numbers, distribution and relative proportions of various dopamine receptors, plus there's likely to be a difference in the dopaminergenic neurons themselves, since if they were functioning normally, the person might not have had an intercellular dopamine shortage, and thus ADHD, in the first place.

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Very informative, swiy cleared alot up

[Daytona71]

SWIM had fine results when younger, plus without all of ther meds for injury. Must be that as they are still enjoyable but sometimes can even make SWIM tired!

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by dark12

Yes, thank you that is what I meant.

SWIM is almost positive he read that it possible to convert dex to meth... He'll search for the post after work.

SWIM knows this has been a while but has SWIY had a chance to look for the possibility to convert?
THX!

[Hollow Hippie]

Originally Posted by Grey Sky

It's Swim's understanding that amphetamine commonly has a different effect on people with ADHD compared to people without ADHD.

Most certainly not, SWIM used to get tweaked for days just fine with his ADD.

[dyingtomorrow]

SWIM will give his opinion, but take it just as an opinion or advice, not medical knowledge - SWIM just wants to help if he can.

mnethadone, 96mgs.of hydromorphone, 40 of diazepam and a tab of whatever Ambien

Methadone - One of the least euphoric of the opiates, which is the reason they use it as a substitute for heroin, aside from the long halflife / holding period. It also blocks other opiates out, so they won't feel euphoric from high-euphoria opiates either. SWIM thinks this could be a major factor in SWIY's lack of euphoria.

Diazepam - Benzos can "kind of" induce a type of euphoria. mainly when combined with other drugs, but they are not euphoric compared to most "heavy" opiates. I'll come back to this.

Ambien - Not sure how it interacts with the other drugs, but probably won't help your goal at the very least.

Now first of all BE CAREFUL WITH DOSAGE. It is a lot easier to accidentaly OD when you combine opiates and benzos. SWIM would recommend having a friend there to hang with.

Warning aside, if SWIY is trying to get the most Euphoria with what SWIY has, SWIM recommends the following:

First, make sure you haven't taken the methadone in at least 24 hours to get the maximum effects of the hydromorphone. Otherwise the methadone will be sitting in your receptors, blocking the good opiates from coming in and giving you euphoria.

Next take the diazepam and wait for it to take full effect.

Next, SWIM is not sure if you are okay with injecting, but injecting the hydromorphone is going to give the maximum effects and full dosage of your drug (compared to eating, snorting, smoking, etc.), plus a rush that feels incredible. If SWIY knows what a good dose from SWIYself that is not dangerous but will get him high, while factoring in the diazepam, do that. There are also a number of threads here SWIY should check out about how to safely inject pills. Otherwise the next best thing to shooting is to snort.

SWIM would keep the Ambien out of the mix at first, just to isolate the problem.

Give it a try, SWIM would guess at least one issue is the super-low euphoria methadone fucking up the high-euphoria hydromorphone.

SWIM hopes he could help, and wants to re-emphasize the safety info and practices! Good luck Daytona, keep us updated!

[Daytona71]

SWIM has IV'd 10mgs. of hydromorphone, no euphoria but SWIM would say 50% was lost in the process. Ambien can be stopped. Methadone dropped way back and then see what happens and report. THX

[onzero]

the hydromorphone is undoubtedly blunting the euphoric effect of amphetamine. i think i saw a benzo in there too.


a benzo will totally block the euphoria from amph in my experience.

onzero added 0 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

actually with that combo of meds i'm surprised you can feel anything at all.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by onzero

the hydromorphone is undoubtedly blunting the euphoric effect of amphetamine. i think i saw a benzo in there too.


a benzo will totally block the euphoria from amph in my experience.

onzero added 0 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

actually with that combo of meds i'm surprised you can feel anything at all.

Daytona seems to have some tolerance built up after some 20 years of a regimine of just about every opiate available in the states. When Daytona was told that hydrocodone was junk and that it would be replaced with methadone and instant release oxycodone SWIM thought that was great. Well it was for a few months and then changes weremade with the adddition of a morphine pump, started at 1.5mgs./day and after 5 years it was removed due to some perceived problems and at that time it wwas delivering 25mgs. of morphine in 24 hours at a ratio of 100:1. Seems hard to believe that the ratio is so high and that waqs he low rate with the highest quoted at 300:1. Rediculuos. 2500-7500mgs. orally a day! 150mgs orally did nothing but 10x that would be nuts. At that time the methadone was at 40mgs./day as SWIM does not care for that medication, and the dilaudid was at 96mgs. still. Added dextroamphetamine along the way. Now SWIM thought this will be wonderful, just like the "good old days". Yeah, all that happens of note is SWIM on occasion runs out and there are many days of sleep. Still something better off avoided. SWIM remembers days when a single "Black Beauty" would be amazing. One eveniung SWIM stayed home and SWIM gave the band some cash in case something was around and one was brought home due to the high cost, knopw what SWIM means buck? Being accumstomed to street meth at a nickle or dime, SWIM thought that as many as possible should have been scored. SWIM could not believe this was legal! SWIM was even told the black specs inside the cap were the medication and the rest was fillewr and SWIM and SWIM believed it LOL
Back to the future. The opioids were causing SWIM to fall asleep like a baby so the stimulant was added to the regimine.
SWIM has injected in the past. As stated even 10-15mgs. of Hydromorphone administered this way does little though it is enjoyable in a
little different way.
12 each a day, hydromorphone and methadone with 40mgs of valium and the dex-amps with the rest does not do much but relieve most of the pain for then day and keep SWIM awake when needed and asleep when needed. SWIM will take the Ambien out for a while and cut the methadone to nothing or close. Then either the hydromorphone or the dex-amps should work better than they are now. SWIM will update after this is tried but SWIM is tired and just wants the meds to work and get the pain controlled. Getting the pump increased so slowly and then taking it away at once sure made SWIM miss it, 25mgs. direct to the spinal canal.
Poppies, SWIM would like to grow the proper type of SWIM's own poppies. Possible and what website to trust. Be careful, smart and safe.

[cra$h]

If you're going to buy poppy seeds, go with pods. They're more guaranteed than plain supermarket seeds, which with 6 oz of multiple brands swim turned no luck. Soil and all could be a factor but still, not one plant? Fuckin rediculous.

As for amphetamine, there's really not much euphoria. Sounds like swiy's had experience before but swiy might be expecting too much. Plus all those opiates might explain a lot. Once you're used to that euphoria, no other drug really compares.