Amanita Muscaria... should I order some?

[deadmoap]

I found a website that sells dried Amanita Muscaria mushrooms for (edited)
an ounce. Compared to my friends that pay (edited) for an eighth of
'shrooms, I think this is pretty damned good.

But are these type of mushrooms less potent or legal or something? I
just don't see how it's legal for a website to be selling "magic"
mushrooms and get away with it. The dose for these shrooms should be
the same or any other shroom right?

I was going to save my money until I find an AMT/DMT source, but I am
very attracted by its ridiculously low price, and how much money SWIM
could make.

Also, I've never even tripped before... on anything. The thought gets my heart pumping... *whips out credit card*

[TranceAddict]

I and someone else tried it about a week ago. honestly other than
feelin a little slow, nothing happened. I am concerned maybe i burned
them (put em in an oven for abour 2-3 mins before eating them) even
though they did come dry.



We also tried two strains...didnt do much either.



has anyone has positive experiences on this? I havnt consider trying but dont know if its simply because I burned them.

[transit]

My understanding is that Amanita muscaria do not contain psilocybin or psilocin.

They are not the same as magic mushrooms.

They would notbe a good choice for one’s first experience of tripping
in my opinion.

[katukulysm]

many websites sell things like that. and they're not the


same as magic mushrooms.

[Phungushead]

Amanita muscaria contains ibotenic acid and muscimol. The effects are a lot
different than the psilocybin mushrooms.

They're legal, but they also have a lot of bad side effects and are a lot harder
on your body than the psilocybins.

Here's Erowid's little dosage thing:

Oral Amanita muscaria Dosages

Light
1 - 5 g (1 medium cap)

Common
5 - 10 g (1 - 3 medium caps)

Strong
10 - 30 g (2 - 6 medium caps)

Onset : 30 - 120 minutes
Peak : 1 - 2 hours
Duration : 5 - 10 hours (higher doses seem to last longer)
Normal After Effects : 1 - 5 hours

[deadmoap]

Fuck! I knew it was too good to be true.

I'm having such a hard time finding vermiculite at a local store...
hell I can't even find any brown rice. I found a half pint jar at a
thrift store, though it doesn't have a lid. I would just order all my
crap online, but I'm trying to save money... and going through all this
work just for some shrooms, when I could make better use of my money by
buying a 250 watt HPS for my pot or buy some AMT/DMT and a cheap scale.

[Hyperreal]

I wouldn't be too dismissive, amanitas sound pretty interesting. They're definitely worth a try, especially considering the price.

[Chaote]

the amanitas are very stange one time a lil bit could totally trip yuo out but another with like an ultra high dose would do nothing

[prospero]

I've tried Fly Agarics (Amanita Muscaria) three times - one large cap each time. The first was dried and eaten - felt very ill but no trip. The second was fresh - threw up but no trip. The third was boiled in milk and then drink the milk - no effect at all. I've given up with them, but other people do seem to get results - very variable I guess!

[Mezza]

SWIM had a really great time just eating the fresh caps. Not too insightful apparently but loads of fun just laughing and falling about in the woods. Everybody's different but he raved about them! Edited by: Mezza

[Chaote]

I think it would be amoral to buy and sell these to unsuspecting ppl, because they are unlike anything ive found going around it would be like giving a person a bowl of sally and saying its pot, you could really mess them up

[Ninja Master]

my boy swim said the muscarias i sent him zapped him good. that he was getting down with his viking brothers. i dryed them, and he cooked them slowly in a pan of stew. ive never tryed these due to all the bad talk about them. they are very interesting to hunt and study, but for edibility im not so sure.... i like my liver and need some evidence that says these mushrooms do not cause any physical damage. i know that they will not cause damage the way that amanita phalloides or amanita virosa will. a. phalloides and a. virosa toxins loop in your body causing more and more damage each pass, and your body cannot eliminate the toxins. its a very slow and painfull death, 1 cap can kill a whole family. touching those kinds of amanitas is also a very bad idea. get some fresh habenero peppers, break them open and play with the juices with your fingers. it will give you an idea of how easily you could contaminate your self with the toxins. as for buying from an online vendor i recomend against this. i honestly believe that they will take any thing from anyone mixed grab bag style.....

Z

[Pinkavvy]

deadmoap- Wow, you win the prize for Jackass of the day.

First off, price discussion is not allowed.

Secondly, I have a problem with what you're planning. Looking for a cheap mushroom to pass off to your friends at ripoff prices. Planning on buying amt/dmt and selling as LSD even though neither one of those is anything even remotely similar to lsd. I feel this is wrong.

Amnita mescaria's are nothing like the cubensis your friends buy. And if you try to pass it off as such, you may be beat up. And will deserve it IMO. The dosage is much higher than that of cubensis, and the high is much less pleasent.

you will not find a source for either AMT or DMT online other than extractions and synthesis, as both are scheduled compounds. DMT is not a recreational drug, and unless you know the right people, you won't make any money off of it. AMT is a 20 hour recreation drug that is NOTHING like LSD. And if you attempted to sell AMT as LSD, you mayget severely beat up, and will deserve it IMO.

I met a guy recently that was just like you, trying to make a quick buck being a dishonest and dangerous person. They took some DOI and diluted it down with Tonic Water (so that it glowed) and tried to pass it off as LSD. Some kids were at the rave that purchased some 'viles' off of the asshole guy, and one of them decided to take 20 hits. Now, understand if this were real LSD, other than a intense trip, the kid would have done fine. The kid started freaking out, got very sick, and vomited alot. Somebody finally got the guy to admit it was DOI. Luckily the 20hit kid came down and was ok, about 2 days later. Needless to say, the assholoe guy (the one with the same mindset as you) will no longer be welcome at many raves in the area. His greed and ignorance could have cost somebody severely.

Please, examine what you do, what you want, and how you look at these compounds. If dollar signs are all you see, you should grow up a bit and go back to the corporate world or get into coke.

[Ninja Master]

excuse me, what he said was a dicks comment. BUT it does not put you at the high and mighty stance to write a flame post about it. read the rules, NO FLAMES. gah wheres the report button...

[Nagognog2]

Ninja: the amatoxins from the amanita phalloides, virosa, and many of the galerina mushrooms are not present in the muscaria or pantherina. I studied these critters quite extensively a few years back. I was doing extracts of the phalloides that were gathered in California for testing by a cancer research lab. The nasty trick of these toxins is their ability to strip sulfur off the molecules that form living cells. This causes a progressive collapse of the entire system - you. Very hideous way to go. The only likely help for this type of poisoning is d,l-thioctic acid. And the only stockpile of that is at the Edgewood Arsenal. Read: The US Army. I guess they were afraid that Ivan the Russian Bear was going to cropdust us with toadstools! Yikes!

[Pinkavvy]

Originally Posted by Ninja Master

excuse me, what he said was a dicks comment. BUT it does not put you at the high and mighty stance to write a flame post about it. read the rules, NO FLAMES. gah wheres the report button...

lol I may have been a tad bit hard, but I dont think it's flaming at all. Flaming is unprevoked name calling with no justification. I think everything I said was true. It is not right to pass possible dangerous drugs off as safe normal ones. (not thta said substances are always dangerous, but when not expected they could get you into a place that's not safe.)

[psychedelaholic]

I've tried amanitas a couple of times. First time I ate 20g (dry) while I was in Amsterdam. The chick in the shop described the trip as a lot darker and more sinister than normal shrooms. They put me in a trance/hypnotic state for a good few hours. The trip was pretty weird I seemed to not be experiencing full blown hallucinations but my surroundings were very dreamlike. People that passed me were like ghosts, floating past oblivious to me. Was a good trip but nowhere near as fun as a psilocybe trip. The next time I tried them I made a tea with 15g which tasted disgusting and, apart from spacing me out a bit, did nothing. I might try a much bigger dose next time I hit 'dam in January, maybe 40g as I think these shrooms have the potential to produce a very beautiful and inciteful trip.

[MellowMushroom]

I have ordered them off the net too. Honestly I couldnt tell you if the net ones work becuse I'm a fuck-tard. I ate 28gs of them one night, I layed on my bed ready to trip balls AND . . . . . . Woke up the next morning. I fell asleep before the trip start. Damn.

What I can tell you is that fresh Amanitas are great. I ate 8 one night and entered a dream state. I left my body and flew around the universe for a long time. I met gaint worms and kept asking for the meaning of life. (but I never got it) Eventually I had to return to my body after an evil cloud started to chase me.

[CrystalDextro]

So is a dose of 14g potent enough for a good psychedelic effect or is it way to hard to dose. Hyperreal has a good point don't be dismissive just because of other peoples experiance, it makes since not to try a drug because it may be hard on your liver and body but don't go do something just as bad for body, I'm interested in trying this drug until I have experianced its psychedelic influnence first hand ..... misleading people with pushing drugs as different drugs and people ODing because of stupid people trying to make a buck on ignorant and trusting people helps drugs stay illegal.

[Dogears]

Amanitas are nothiing like psilocybies. they contain completely different drugs. The drugs in Amanitas can be fun but they are not psychedellics. they induce their own unique experience.

Also I would not order A. muscaria, I would order A. pantherina as it is often stronger and much less likely to cause illness.

[Ninja Master]

nag what your post said was very true, as i have also reasearched the phalloides and toxic buddys. you probably have done more research about the toxic amanitas than i have. what im saying is that they could accidently mix in a look alike, and i know of a single look alike that i could confuse for amanita muscaria var formosa. but i also know that the formosa lookalike doesnt have the lines all around the edge the way muscaria does. i also know that the look alike is orange. your confused response was very very good.

Z

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ninja master has alot of experience, and from what i know about him is he kicks ass!

[ak1186]

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They have a different hallucinigenic chemical then psycodelic "magic mushrooms" thats why there legal. I have never tried them, look cool as hell though.

[Pharmacon23]

the effects and side effects of amanitas vary from one individual 2 another ...

yes, they are comletely legal all over the world and thats why many websites sell them.


swim would suggest swiy to try to find some in nature, even if youre living in the u.s. . its said that u.s. amanitas are less potent, but they usually grow in large ammounts in conifere woods and under birches, so i dont think the potency should be a problem....

amanitas cannot be grown at home like psilocybe species as far as swim knows.

the red skin on the cap and the yellow tissue under the skin are the most potent parts of amanitas, so this parts can be used also for smoking (look in the erowid psychoactive amanitas vault, "Smoking Psychoactive Amanitas")

i think swiy should try them, because they lead to a unique experience, very unlike other hallucinogens like psilocybin, lsd, mescaline, etc.

[Bajeda]

Swim has tried Amanitas up to 8g and had interesting experiences. He definitely wants to try pushing up to higher dosages. He will provide a trip report in a bit.

He definitely enjoyed them though and thinks that they would be a good introduction to tripping if taken at the right dosage.

[DJ]

The amanita pantherina strain contains much more ibotenic acid and muscimol than the amanita muscaria varieties. SWIM has read that the amanita muscaria formosa contains less of the toxins than most other amanita varieties. The pantherina, although more potent than the amanita muscaria as far as psychoactivity goes, do, however, contain more toxins than either of the other two strains that SWIM mentioned above.

SWIM has eaten the pantherina (panther caps) and has lived to tell about it. They are NOT deadly poisonous so long as you don't go eating more than 3/4 of an ounce and whatever you do, be sure not to drink alcohol or take any tylenol that day or anything else for that matter that will cause an additional taxing on the liver.

When SWIM ate the panther caps it was a combination of laughing and confusion moreso than visuals and the common types of hallucinations provided by eating psilocybin mushrooms.