Effects - Acid everyday for a year?

[enhancion01]

Say swim has dropped acid every single day within one year.
What would the effects be?

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This question is too vague.

[gmeziscool2354]

define what is meant by effects.

this question seems a bit stupid because dropping acid would be foolish unless in minute doses because of its sleep inhibiting components. perhaps swiy means tripping for an extended period of time.

refer to this post
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70675

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Good evaluative comment and apt redirect.

[humdroid]

Tolerance to acid skyrockets if taken on consecutive days, so Y couldn't see the point of dropping acid every day.

[ripdas112]

Hell waste of cid and $$$. Shouldnt have any effects from that if it was a full year.. apart from the occasional come downs.

[enhancion01]

hmmm so no psychosis? and swim has tripped for a month strait b4 and yes he did trip the whole time. Swim did notice tolerence but he still got fried everytime he droped a tab lol

[gmeziscool2354]

how did SWIY dose? did they eat a hit everyday for breakfast or something? or did they wait until they came down from the previous dose.

swim knows people who have done that before. they reported that the comeback to reality after an acid binge is unplessant, every element of life becomes boring

[adLriSanD]

swim has tripped every week in the last month he still finds things are a little wobbly sometimes


but i think if you dropped acid veryday for a year it would be pointless you would get a tolerance to it and that would bew watsing acid and money

[Corksil]

An above poster said it well...

The following period after an acid binge in which one comes back to reality can seem drab and boring. Tripping is fun, but best in moderation.

What would SWIY be trying to achieve w/dropping acid every day for a year?

[enhancion01]

hypothetical question

Swim isint going to do it.
He was just curius

also couldent you just take more acid to counter the tolerence?

Mabey swim wanted to drop acid everyday to gain spiritual enlightenment involving a alien race that uses opioid potentiating substances mixed with morphine to figure out the universes problems/secrets?

[Songcycle67]

Originally Posted by enhancion01

hypothetical question

Swim isint going to do it.
He was just curius

also couldent you just take more acid to counter the tolerence?

Mabey swim wanted to drop acid everyday to gain spiritual enlightenment involving a alien race that uses opioid potentiating substances mixed with morphine to figure out the universes problems/secrets?

No, eventually, no matter how much the person ups their dose all they're going to get is a hash high if they do it every day. SWIM would say that if they made it past the first week and were still able to "trip" in the traditional sense on anything below 1,000ug he would be supremely shocked.

I'm sure there are a few SWIMmers on here who know enough about biochemistry to tell you exactly why absurd doses like that would be ineffective, but I personally do not. All SWIM can tell you is that when he did it, after a week no matter how much he took he could get nothing more than a few tracers here and there and a slight body buzz. Mostly anxiety and depression. After two weeks the body buzz was completely gone and a few days after that SWIM discontinued use because a 1,000+ug dose produced no noticable effects. The only reason he carried out the experiment was to see if small (started at 40ug), daily doses would produce any noticable change in mood or attitudes toward life that weren't so bizarre as those encountered on higher doses. Basically the way one would use any other kind of behavior modification medicine. But the dose regimen was just impossible to keep up with, and things seemed pretty futile after that first week. He pretty much knew the results before going in, though.

[Synesthesiac]

I know people that did acid every other day for about three months, and some of them are still pretty screwed up. They were pretty young at the time, about 15-17. Some seemed able to cope with it fine, but some of them have developed slightly odd ideas. Two of them worship David Icke and believe that some govenment officials (Bill clinton, George Bush) are shapeshifting reptiles! They spend most of their time UFO hunting now. They are not completely barking, but they have certainly developed some unusual ideas since their acid binge.

So, it depends on the person, but I can not imagine anyone being the same after doing acid every day for a year. Tim Leary tripped on it about 700 times in his lifetime and he was pretty out of it in his later years... though luckily he never really lost it completely.

[Frond]

Originally Posted by humdroid

Tolerance to acid skyrockets if taken on consecutive days, so Y couldn't see the point of dropping acid every day.

This.

Tolerance buildup will make this exercise completely pointless.

However, if this wasn't technically pointless, then it would probably be quite dangerous to someone's psyche. Re-integration after a psychedelic experience is a key part of having a safe trip. There are a lot of thoughts and realizations going through a tripper's brain, and not all of them are beneficial. As the Good Knight's favorite saying goes, "Just because the drugs are saying something doesn't mean that they're telling the truth!" It takes a sober brain to analyze the information taken out of the experience, and sift through the dirt to find the gems. When this process of re-integration doesn't happen, then there is no way to know what sort of fundamental and possibly dangerous delusions find their way into one's brain. He could become very detached from reality, very "de-realized" as it were, and his tripped-out mental state will in effect become his default mental state. He may not even be able to enter back into reality and assume normal thought patters without considerable aid, time, effort, or even at all.

Basically, go easy on the sauce. Sure, it's great, but SWIY only has one brain. If he had a spare, then by all means it would be OK to trash this one, but most likely this is all he's got, and if it goes, then it's GG.

Unless, of course, SWIY is a two-headed Ogre. Then, he's got some multiple redundancy.

[Songcycle67]

Originally Posted by Frond

However, if this wasn't technically pointless, then it would probably be quite dangerous to someone's psyche. Re-integration after a psychedelic experience is a key part of having a safe trip. There are a lot of thoughts and realizations going through a tripper's brain, and not all of them are beneficial. As the Good Knight's favorite saying goes, "Just because the drugs are saying something doesn't mean that they're telling the truth!" It takes a sober brain to analyze the information taken out of the experience, and sift through the dirt to find the gems. When this process of re-integration doesn't happen, then there is no way to know what sort of fundamental and possibly dangerous delusions find their way into one's brain. He could become very detached from reality, very "de-realized" as it were, and his tripped-out mental state will in effect become his default mental state. He may not even be able to enter back into reality and assume normal thought patters without considerable aid, time, effort, or even at all.

Dead on. Improper re-integration can cause full-blown psychosis in even the most unlikely candidates: people who would normally be perfectly stable, mentally sound individuals with no underlying psychotic tendencies.

The most consistent trait in people who use LSD daily for extended periods of time is paranoia/delusions. With improper time to deal with the often shocking effects of LSD, one begins to sort of "lose the plot" quite literally and not think things through. They begin acting on intuition and gut instinct, and unfortunately for someone frazzled out of their gourd on a few hundred mics "intuition" and "gut instinct" start to lose their merit.

[Desertfox]

If SWIY's purpose for hypothetically taking acid everyday for a year is to gain sustained spiritual enlightenment why not just take one large dose(or none at all) and do the meditation that would lead you to achieve true spiritual enlightenment. if you need a drug to sustain the enlightenment, its not true enlightenment is it? SWIM measures his spiritual development by seeing how far he can go on a cid trip and then afterwards see if i can go back there without the drugs. this way you know the power is inside of you. Knowledge of those morhpine munching aliens should remain with you after a trip if its true knowledge, or else SWIY was just really high and let his imagination roll a little too much off its axis.
Plus eating that much acid would diminish the experience for not only while your body retains tolerance to the molecule but SWIM would imagine that it would lose its luster for the rest of your life. Turning acid into something uninteresting would just be terrible, and knowing that you did it to yourself would be even worse.
And doens't SWIY have responsibilties in his.her life that would prevent them from even attempting something like this?

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good point about being able to return to spiritual realm without drugs

[EyesOfTheWorld]

SWIM used to tour with the Grateful Dead and Phish. LSD was like water to him, free and always available. SWIM dosed every night that there was a show, so this would average out to maybe 100-120 times per year, as there was not a show every night. SWIM maintained a home and girlfriend during most of this time (5 years total) and did not need a traditional job as he did fine selling food and beer in the parking lots. Obviously this kind of dosing should only be attempted by people living in an "alternative" living situation like Phish tour, a commune, etc, with free access to acid and minimal "real world" responsibilites. Anyway, SWIMs tolerance did shoot sky high, but, as he never dosed more than 3 nights in a row with at least 2 days off before the next time, he always got something from the doses. Keep in mind he was in his mid-20s with a fully developed adult brain, teenagers doing this may very well end up worshipping David Icke. When SWIM realized he was dosing 20-strips at a time without much effect, he layed off it for a few days, show or not (there's always MDMA and booze to keep a swimmer occupied, after all).
He does not have any psychological damage, except for a possible causal link between his extreme hallucinogen-taking and his current inability to smoke cannabis without inducing a panic attack. He thinks he got lucky, lot of near-daily-dosers wound up pretty fucked up, mentally. SWIM still takes LSD maybe once a month and suffers no residual side effects.
SWIYour mileage may greatly vary.

[ATWA]

Swim had basically done this. What happens after time is that the edge comes off and the intensity drops. Swim and others entered into a daily zen like state. But the dose needs to go up if one wants more zen to the trip. But the edge and intensity is gone. But there are still perceptual changes after a long time. Like Swim has experienced macro/microscopia after many weeks with not really feeling fried. Yes that is it the "fry" is gone but the "zen" remains.

[Greenport]

Every day for a month? That sounds excessive. Wouldn't it get boring?

SwiM's elephant's view is that it should be respected and used at most once a month. Every day for any length of time is too much. If swiY is doing them every day then he is not getting much sober time, which is important to sanity. Psychedelics should complement life, not override them.

[Songcycle67]

From SWIM's observations it isn't really biochemically possible to trip for more than a week straight without upping your dose twice or three times every day. Even then, thousands of micrograms would eventually turn into mild euphoria, if that. Eventually there would be nothing--the tolerance would just stack until it reached the LD50 point.

I just can't believe anyone could successfully trip for a month straight, from a biochemical/pharmacological standpoint and from SWIM's experiences.

[ATWA]

I just can't believe anyone could successfully trip for a month straight, from a biochemical/pharmacological standpoint and from SWIM's experiences.

Well it all depends on what one's definition of "trip" is. It becomes very subtle but it is there. The mind is expanded to a degree but the "fry" of the acid is gone. I don't want to overplay this to make it sound like it is intense. It becomes very very subtle. At least for Swim who has done it.

[PsychedeliaSmith]

Originally Posted by gmeziscool2354

how did SWIY dose? did they eat a hit everyday for breakfast or something? or did they wait until they came down from the previous dose.

swim knows people who have done that before. they reported that the comeback to reality after an acid binge is unplessant, every element of life becomes boring

SWIM finds that binging on any psychedelics will make SWIY feel this way.

Psychedelics should be treated with respect, not abused.

[terrapinzflyer]

AFOAF of SWIM once told me a story around the campfire. Probably 20 years ago on Grateful Dead tour said SWIM was involved in LSD distribution- not because of $ but because it was something they truly believed in. (probably why this SWIM walked away suprisingly poor but also a free man unlike many contemporarys)
Anyway- this SWIM would spend upwards of 2 months at a time with daily exposure to inhumane doses- hotel rooms full of crystal and dripping wet sheets hung wall to wall, clouds of crystal floating, trays being spilled...
This SWIM says the high became reality- and it was when it was over that swim and their friends started to feel high. SWIM said they would not recommend such things to anyone, and that the tolerance buildup was insane. But SWIM and his friends said this was the price they had to pay for what they believed in...
SWIMs opinion is that it would be virtually impossible for anyone not heavily involved in distribution to trip for a month due to the ever increasing qty required, and even then it could hardly be considered a real trip after even a few days.