Dose - Percocet IP203; Help Please!

[khrma]

My toad would like to know what 3 IP203s would do for a 150 pound human. Please bare in mind these facts:

+ Individual has no tolerance to opiates or acetaminophen but has an extensive history of using various drugs (including oxycodone)

+ The is approx. 4.4mg of Oxycodone HCl and 325mg of acetaminophen in each pill (total dose would be: approx. 13.2mg oxycodone & 975mg acetaminophen)

Also, is this a safe level for combined use with marijuana and/or "a few beers".

[MEKONE]

Originally Posted by khrma

has an extensive history of using various drugs (including oxycodone)

If SWIY has experience with oxycodone then they have already experimented with percocet as they are the same.As for injesting 3 that would all depend on SWIY's tolerance,which even though SWIY thinks they don't have any actually does have some if they are familiar with oxycodone.As always it's best to start off slow and then go up if needed.As for the beer this will intensify the effects of the perc's,so if SWIY is not THAT experienced then again GO SLOOOOOOW.Good Luck and Stay Safe!!

[khrma]

The subject has done oxycodone once, several years ago, so it is assumed no tolerance is present.

[Metal_Ren]

Swim has been on oxycontin/morphine, now for years. 200mgOxy+15-30mg morphine sulfate daily Currently....Varied over years from 300mg+ Morphine/160-oxy/.... etc...]Swim is only 120lbs when able to keep weight on....Originally was 130-140lbs --- Prob Swim's optimal weight....

Swim suggests taking 2. Toad should Save that 3rd one IF you don't feel you got enough kick/pain relief compared to what Toad was expecting. Truthfully Toad may want or feel the need for all 3 at once....but 2 should be fine and shouldn't be too strong to be unenjoyable. And even all 3 will be ok for the liver.... Maybe eat a NON-fat sandwich or something first if Toad is worried about nausea, or has weak stomach. Everyone is different. Some Toads wont feel ill, others may feel a little uneasy....

It is a safe dose for even non-opiate tolerance people in Swim's opinion.

BUT....what about the left-over pill.... ?? ?? ?? Perhaps 1.5 of each....at start, therefore if works well.... there is another 1.5 for use 2+ weeks later... Or Longer... Even that one dose will probably make Toad's next dose weaker in all ways[not major], just because Toad may be expecting what was felt on Round 1.....Longer wait between, the better effect Toad will recieve.

So 2.... or 1.5 x 2 = to have another good day.

Hope this helps the Toad a little.

[khrma]

Thanks.

The subjects [one male/one female] consumed (orally) all 3 pills at once [each], smoked a bong or two, and drank a light beer each. He stated that he experianced a slow come-up (almost a full hour) and then a mellow "drunken" state for about 2 hours. There was a itchy side-effect felt by both subjects when coming down, but otherwise it was a enjoyable experiance-- though, and both subjects agreed 100% on this, addictive and relatively toxic drugs (opiates, uppers/downers) and combined medications (such as oxycodone/acetaminophen) will not be well received by most healthy human bodies in excess or in abundance and therefore are not as "good" of a recreational drug as other types of chemicals, particulary psychedelic and dissociative drugs.

[RX420]

isnt there 5 mg in each of those percs?? When my freind was opiate naive 15 mg was a good starting dose...boy does he miss those days....tolerernce rises fast as hell. The amount he takes now would have surely killed my friend back then.

hell if my friend was your toad he would take all 3 , smoke a fatty, and just sip on a beer. Put on some good soothing music with lots of bass ha. your toad will feel good. and it wont die.

my friend got such a tolerance that they can drink a sixer on loads of painkillers and benzos that anyone else would be in a coma....sad kinda

[khrma]

Just because it doesn't kill you doesn't mean it isn't hurting you.

*points to italic text in my previous post*

[RX420]

[quote=RX420;538481]isnt there 5 mg in each of those percs?? When my freind was opiate naive 15 mg was a good starting dose...boy does he miss those days....tolerernce rises fast as hell. The amount he takes now would have surely killed my friend back then.

hell if my friend was your toad he would take all 3 , smoke a fatty, and just sip on a beer. Put on some good soothing music with lots of bass ha. your toad will feel good. and it wont die.

my friend got such a tolerance that they can drink a sixer on loads of painkillers and benzos that anyone else would be in a coma....sad kinda

well pure oxys are the best , but swim feels bad for my friends liver ha. all those pills and Tylenol. atleast my friend eats well and has recently stopped drinking so much.

[Metal_Ren]

Originally Posted by khrma

Also, is this a safe level for combined use with marijuana and/or "a few beers".

Toad should stay away from the beers for 1.5 Hours at least....but would recommend that none be drank to be safe, and keep the feeling fresh/clean....

Alcohol in Swim's opinion is not worth it. If Toad wants beers....wait 4 hours and consume away.... but beer may intensify/bring about nausea, or ruin what is wanted/expected from the pills.
Sure it SHOULD be safe but all Toads are different.

Marijuana should NOT be an issue though if one has a high tolerance, or smokes regularly. Depending on strain it may increase the onset of action/intensify current feelings, or perhaps take Toad to 110% from 90-99%.
It can also increase the duration of action. From 4-6 hours to 3-5...Again it depends on the Toad....[as can cigarettes....][this could be more related to the TimeRelease Swim takes....Swim has spoken to Pharmacists/Doctors about it...]

Hash can actually work a bit better than marijuana in intensifying/overlapping the body buzz/leg numbness feelings....

Swim tends to smoke his first bong hit about 1.5-2 hours after waking and taking his 2-3 40mg morning oxycontin doses...but remember Swim's doses are 8-12 hours long.....Toad should have that 1st hoot 35-50 minutes after ingestion if looking to increase/overlap the feeling....
Swim has been on opiates about 10 years, and a daily smoker for about 14.
Swim does this daily though for pain relief, but enjoys the ups when achievable.[Changes in doses obviously have to occur most of the time for Swim to feel anything from opiates anymore though...=[ ]

Swim normally can feel both acting on different areas, although strain can play a part as well as Hash. Hash tends to overlap more than Marijuana.

[RX420]

crap i cant delete my post. my friend knows this. No one is saying its good for their body. hell im sure its destroying my friends body, but the fact is tolerance plays a huge roll on what you can take at once...and again....it doesnt mean its good at all for anybodys body. just saying swiyou wont die....atleast my friend gets his liver checked at the docs regululary. ha

[khrma]

Thanks for adding a nice chunk of info there MetalRen; the subjects are actually on the percocet high right now. 3 percocet [IP203] pills were consumed by one male and one female subject. The male has consumed 2 beer and both subjects have smoked numerous bongs packed with mid-quality, haze weeds, The experiance appears to be quite enjoyable, both subjects have been sketching out intricate designs on paper.

Though it isn't a burning desire so to speak, what are the known effects/side-effects of adding ketamine (insuffalated, near pure) to this experience?

[Metal_Ren]

Originally Posted by khrma

Thanks.

The subjects [one male/one female] consumed (orally) all 3 pills at once [each], smoked a bong or two, and drank a light beer each. He stated that he experianced a slow come-up (almost a full hour) and then a mellow "drunken" state for about 2 hours. There was a itchy side-effect felt by both subjects when coming down, but otherwise it was a enjoyable experiance-- though, and both subjects agreed 100% on this, addictive and relatively toxic drugs (opiates, uppers/downers) and combined medications (such as oxycodone/acetaminophen) will not be well received by most healthy human bodies in excess or in abundance and therefore are not as "good" of a recreational drug as other types of chemicals, particulary psychedelic and dissociative drugs.

Many Toads get the itches for the first few times, or when non-tolerant.
The drunken state felt Swim would assume was actually because of the small amount of alcohol. Swim doesnt drink cept a drink or 2 every 1-2 years[Whisky&Coke], but everytime it has killed the opiate feel....
And when taking another dose hours after consumption of drinks, were less effective big time to Swim. Almost non-existant

Due to chemical make-ups of every Toad though, and Swims dislike of alcohol in general..... its hard to be definite on this for others. It should and will probably get Toad higher, but it could interfere with the experience of having the true feelings of whats being taken.... if that makes sense.
Marijuana shouldnt do that, enless your only a casual smoker....and even then Swim doubts it would wreck the feeling.
Thats only reason for not recommending it...to allow Toad to feel something new and apart from previous things....And to be on the safe side RE:Liver, nausea... Although in truth a normal beer drinker could probably have 3-4 beers without much change....And in truth 2-3 beers on that dose doesnt seem dangerous and should still be almost as safe as just taking the pills.

BUT !!!! MAJOR BUT!!! If there's any worry of Toad enjoying the feeling too much and becoming addicted or dependant....maybe add the beers to do opposite of Swim's suggestion....therefore maybe lessing the feel of euphoria and getting that "drunk" feel to go along with it may make it less of a possible "Rush" and lessen the chance of hooking the Toad.

The problem with recreational use is the fast developed tolerance and ease of addiction. They CAN be great recreationally, but those with any way of getting them can ruin that fast. If available and enjoyed, people will get and take them, and have to take more as tolerance rises. And they may never hit that peak that got them hooked in the first place....It can become a bad cycle....
Those that have great willpower, or no source,- can and will have a great enjoyment using them recreationally, because they wont take enough of the drug[or be able to...] over time to ruin what they fell in love with.

btw Swim's first rec drug was lsd.... IF Swim could he would use ONLY opiates for recreation with marijuana.... but Swim is in pain and has major tolerance developed...

Swim has sore back and neck right now, so calling it a night. Still up from night before "wink""wink" 1st psycadelic in over a decade......Will be back tomorrow. Swim has some questions too about some things...

Metal_Ren added 13 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by khrma

Thanks for adding a nice chunk of info there MetalRen; the subjects are actually on the percocet high right now. 3 percocet [IP203] pills were consumed by one male and one female subject. The male has consumed 2 beer and both subjects have smoked numerous bongs packed with mid-quality, haze weeds, The experiance appears to be quite enjoyable, both subjects have been sketching out intricate designs on paper.

Though it isn't a burning desire so to speak, what are the known effects/side-effects of adding ketamine (insuffalated, near pure) to this experience?

Good to know it's being enjoyed. Unfortunately Swim can't answer that question about the Ketamine After a quick read about chem properties and uses etc,,,, Swim could make hypothtical guesses, but wont risk giving any misinformation. Toads lives are at risk if Swim is wrong.

Could be great.... but could give toads a complete different experience from what they are feeling now. Expecting one thing to happen,,,,may actually be completely different from what Toads expect...Could be frightening,,,, and probably not best for the body.... Swim thinks would give an up... but that up may ruin the beer/opiate/maryjane feel that has already been established.... But like usual every Toad has their preference and what may be great for Toad 1, is not neccesarily going to be what Toad 2 wants....

If they do.... - start slow and low as with everything....

Sorry Swim cant be more helpful on this. Night People.

[RX420]

buddin in again, but what MR says about being careful about not getting swiyou addicted to that feeling is good advice. that 15mg dose will be nothing very shortly if used on a regular basis. and its just a slow slope down trying to get that same feeling again. my friend has finally realized these are for pain and he needs them. its hard for my friend not to go get a handful and feel good, but that shit will and can easily take control over you slowly if swiyou lets it.

and about the K, swiyou should be careful swim found the opiates dulled some of the k effects and made the body load worse,but it didnt necessarally worsen it, just made it even more weird. How much is your toad thinking of taking up the noz?

swim has taken dxm and small amounts of k with painkillers while drinking and things got pretty disoriented.And swim kept thinking swim was gonna stop breathing, so keep the k dose low to start off with. but swim , says go for it, just don't over do it. Central nervous system and/or respiratory-depressant effects may be additively or synergistically increased with a oxy and k combo, but it seems rather low. so your toad should be safe, just keep the k dose low. BTW dxm and oxy is a really fun combo that my friend enjoys

[khrma]

The subjects have already decided against the ketamine. The comedown has left us both quite tired, though a sizable portion of this should be attributed to the common side-effects of smaller amounts of alcohol (ie. drowsiness).

[AddyCrazy]

This thread is a little old but just to let SWIYou know pure opiates are much safer than disassociatives which have been linked to irreversible brain cell death and alternation including Olney's lesions although the lesions aren't established as much the brain cell damage although one can take several drugs to counter act those but opiates are much much safer overall than disassociatives if one used ketamine everyday for years your brain would be fried while alot of people use opiates long term and their bodies are relative unharmed by it and if they are its not from the opiates usually.

[Politicalchalk]

Is Swiy certain he has PERCOCET and not PERCODAN? Percocet would have 5mg and 325 acetaminophen (APAP), whereas Percodan is 4.5 Oxy Tereapthelate/.5 Oxy HCl and 325 aspirin ASA. If they taste on the more acidic side, they're probably the latter. Swim raises this point only because he's only seen those quantities mixed with aspirin, very oddly-specificly sticking out in the brain.

To Swim, either 10 or 15 mg w/ no tolerance would be presumably safe, but nausea/vomiting is not uncommon to one in Swiy's position. Also, as a general rule of thumb (as mentioned above), it's generally a good idea to start low and titrate upwards. In theory, even 20mg would be safe (ie: 10mg pills x 2 every 4-6hrs PRN) as a starting dose, but make sure it's not an empty stomach there, ESP if they do have aspirin.