Drug info - RC Similar To Mushrooms (First Post!)

[H8ff0000]

Hello all. First post here. I've been doing a lot of reading here, and the wealth of useful information is incredible. I did quite a bit of searching before posting this and couldn't find an answer I felt comfortable with, as SWIM has no experience with RCs. So I'll get on with it...

SWIM is looking for an RC with these characteristics:

RC-noob friendly
Body load / visuals that aren't overwhelming (example mushrooms)
'legally' obtainable (all RC is gray area I realize, but SWIY knows what I mean)

Reputation Comments on this post:

Good first post. Have some well deserved rep :)

[polidelaiko]

Does your LabRat has a scale to weight RC's ?

[lineartransform]

SWIY is looking for 4-AcO-DMT.

Less prevalent than the 2C-*s, but still out there and available.

[Alfa]

4-aco-DMT is illegal in the USA so this does not qualify. Likely, most of the 2c's are covered by the analog law as well.

[lineartransform]

Ah, forgive SWIM - he often forgets he is in a jurisdiction with more forgiving laws.

Perhaps methylone or other beta ketone analogs? Or are these illegal in the US now as well?

[polidelaiko]

Methylone is not similar at all with shrooms.

[lineartransform]

No, but it does have a very limited visual aspect and is newbie-friendly.

In SWIM's opinion, 4-AcO-DMT would be the most similar to shrooms. It may fail your "legally" obtainable status if you are rigorous about it. It is extremely unlikely that an order of a gram or so would attract any attention however.

If 4-AcO-DMT is out of the picture, SWIM would move over to methylone or a light psychedelic such as 2C-I simply because he indicated a desire for something very "noob" friendly.

[Alfa]

Euphoric stimulants have no relevance in this discussion.
There are few research chemicals that are legal in the USA. Why replace shrooms with a illegal RC? I think the question limits the discussion to psychedelics that are legal in the USA.

[lineartransform]

I would argue that in the doses I would estimate the poster's cats to be using mushrooms they are acting effectively as a euphoric stimulant.

It seems that this would be better served by specifying which research chemicals are actually "legal" in the US depending on SWIMs definition of legal - and then recommendations may be done from there.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by lineartransform

I would argue that in the doses I would estimate the poster's cats to be using mushrooms they are acting effectively as a euphoric stimulant.

Where did you get any information about the dose of mushrooms that would be used?

Do you mean that:

1. because the poster does not find magic mushrooms overwhelming, you think the he/she is using very light doses of mushrooms?
2. you find light doses of magic mushrooms can be compared to stimulants?
3. you conclude from that, that as this means that the question relates to stimulants?

If so, then I find this far fetched. But I would be interested to see if the poster agrees with you. i.e. if you are right.

[Synesthesiac]

Maybe 2c-b-fly would be the best suited. It certainly has visuals. Its similar to its related compound 2C-B. Swim hasn't tried it yet but from reading a few trip reports it sounds like it may be similar, however swim will be able to verify this himself in a few weeks. I would wait for someone here who has tried it to see what they say.

I think that it would be very unlikely to get prosecuted for this one, even under the analogue law, as the various fly compounds are very rare and not listed in any law at all yet from what I've read.

[lineartransform]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Where did you get any information about the dose of mushrooms that would be used?

Do you mean that:

1. because the poster does not find magic mushrooms overwhelming, you think the he/she is using very light doses of mushrooms?
2. you find light doses of magic mushrooms can be compared to stimulants?
3. you conclude from that, that as this means that the question relates to stimulants?

If so, then I find this far fetched. But I would be interested to see if the poster agrees with you. i.e. if you are right.

1. They certainly are not using heavy doses.
2, 3. That people who enjoy low doses of mushrooms in social settings tend to enjoy euphoric stimulants in a similar role. ie: the intent is social rather than a "crack open the head" style trip.

[Alfa]

1. that depends upon the definition of heavy: medium doses of mushrooms that will give a full psychedelic trip, would debunk your premise.

I agree on 2 & 3, but still think this is some irrelevant to the question.

2CB-FLY seems one good candidate.

[Synesthesiac]

Thought so, 2c-b-fly is the one that ann shulgin said was her favorite chemical, just checked it out. Should mean thats its pretty good, though everyone reacts differently. Also if anyone gonna do this you will definately need some scales accurate to 1mg, as some people find 10mg a strong dose.

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v17...shulgin-23.pdf

Sarah: Can you discuss the influence
of psychedelics on your own personal
growth? Are there specific psychedelics
that you consider particularly helpful tools
for self-discovery?

Ann: Every single human body has
a different chemistry.
So, just because a
particular drug or
visionary plant is my
favorite, or has taught
me a great deal, doesn't
mean it's going to be so
for anyone else.
In one recent case,
I said often, too often,
that something called
2CB Fly was absolutely
great for me. To me, itÕs
the loveliest thing,
especially for eroticism.
But I found out that it's
not interesting to
anybody else. I realized
that having said that, I
was putting things in
motion. The Internet
was full of 2CB Fly, and
people were asking
about it and I thought
Òuh-oh. It turned out
that it's a disappointment
to most other
people. So if I say what
my favorite psychedelics
are, it's almost meaningless
for other people,
because they have to
find their allies very
carefully.

[H8ff0000]

Just thought I'd clear things up a bit.

As far as legality is concerned:
SWIM only cares that he CAN order it (as in, it's not specifically scheduled, although maybe under the analogue umbrella). SWIM understands that the possibility if seizure is possible, albeit unlikely with a small order.

As far as the experience SWIM hopes to achieve:
Social, yes, social. Perfect word there. Like how mushrooms isn't too overpowering, both body and mind. Mild visuals would be what SWIM wants. SWIM has never done LSD if that helps at all.

To try and clear things up that you all have been discussing:
A scale is something SWIM doesn't have, but was going to look into after figuring out what to put in said scale.
SWIM has done both 1/16 and 1/8 of mushrooms. 1/8 was not too overpowering, seemed like the sweet spot for him.
Swim has also done DXM (lower end of 2nd plateau).
SWIM is 6'2", and was probably in the 185lb-200lb range at that time, a couple years ago. SWIM is now more likely 225lb-240lb (SWIM works out, stops, repeats hehe).

I hope that helps clear some things up. If there is anything else I can add to help the discussion, please ask. I appreciate everyone's input (I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of feedback).

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by H8ff0000

As far as the experience SWIM hopes to achieve:
Social, yes, social. Perfect word there. Like how mushrooms isn't too overpowering, both body and mind. Mild visuals would be what SWIM wants. SWIM has never done LSD if that helps at all.

Interesting. Props to lineartransform.

[Synesthesiac]

If SWIY is not too bothered about getting a drug thats easy to get past the law, then I would just go for some of the 2C-X's. In some states a few of them are scheduled, but most fall under analogue laws only depending on your state (or coutry). If swiy gets any, word of advise, only get from a vendor that will omit all identifying product information form the order. Usually if the authorities do find a powder with no info on it they will just test it for coke, MDMA (all the popular ones) and then presume thats its a legal one if negative. Its a lot of effort to test for every single drug and they will not usually bother.

I would say for mild visuals a small dose of 2C-I (10-14mg). This also comes with euphoria. Or 2C-D or 2C-C are the much lighter compounds of the 2C family, they produce visuals without much euphoria, apparently. Hope that helps.

[Anonabyss]

While analogues to scheduled drugs are technically illegal (such as most 2C's), would you really classify them as illegal from a practical standpoint?

[H8ff0000]

Is there no longer a Sources Forum? I read about it in the rules but did not find it (maybe I'm too new?).

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by H8ff0000

Is there no longer a Sources Forum? I read about it in the rules but did not find it (maybe I'm too new?).

You'll have to wait a long time to get there, you have to be gold member (the one after palladium) and you cant discuss illegal ones at all. Most forums are also like this. There are other forums you could use, just google "research chemicals legal forum" and you should find some.

But if you want accurate information about drugs, stick to drugs-forum. The standard here is higher than most places and theres far less disinfo here than most other drug forums.

[H8ff0000]

OK no problem. Just wanted to know. Sounds like 2c-I is the way to go. SWIM did some googling and is waiting for some quotes. SWIM also found JWH-018. Completely different, but sounds fun nevertheless.

H8ff0000 added 78 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

SWIM ordered 1gm of 2c-I and 1gm of JWH-018. How would SWIM go about preparing it so it could be blotted? This is new to SWIM.

[nibble]

Originally Posted by H8ff0000

OK no problem. Just wanted to know. Sounds like 2c-I is the way to go. SWIM did some googling and is waiting for some quotes. SWIM also found JWH-018. Completely different, but sounds fun nevertheless.

H8ff0000 added 78 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

SWIM ordered 1gm of 2c-I and 1gm of JWH-018. How would SWIM go about preparing it so it could be blotted? This is new to SWIM.

I don't really see why you want to make blotters with it, filling capsules with single doses would probably be easier. It would just be a matter of dissolving the compound in some known volume of a volatile solvent, say isopropanol and then dropping the solution on the blotting paper. Just make sure you know how much 2C-I is in each ml of the solution.

[H8ff0000]

SWIM thought doing it with blotter art would be fun, although from what SWIM read, it may not be worth the trouble.
With the capsules, it would just be a matter of putting x number of mg in each?

And I hope I'm within the rules on this question. Could anyone give me a term SWIM could use to search for such capsules?

[lineartransform]

There is zero point to making blotter - while it might seem fun to start, the logistics for SWIM will quickly overwhelm any aesthetic benefits.

Capsules can be purchased at any health food store. SWIM finds them unnecessary however. What SWIM will do is measure out 100 mg of a chemical, and dissolve it in a known amount of vodka (say 50 mL) - this is then stored in a small mason jar or other easily sealable jar in the fridge near the back away from light. This provides a solution which is 2mg/mL. Go to a pharmacy and tell them you need a syringe - they'll look at you funny and then say "oh no, one of the big plastic ones". Should be a dollar or two at the most if they don't give it to you. This allows you to dispense liquid with sub-milliliter accuracy for very cheap.

You can then dose to an arbitrary level in a very accurate manner. Squirt 7.5 mL (=15mg of active chemical) into a glass, mix with juice or whatever, and you're ready!

Of course, SWIY needs an accurate milligram scale. Order this now if you haven't already! There is nothing more tempting and dangerous than having brand new research chemicals without an accurate method of measurement.

[nibble]

The 2C-I is in salt form so it will dissolve fine in water, there's no need for any other solvents.