Other - GBL fallout

[braggy]

Hi there, I have searched the site and found some valuable information for what Im looking for butnothing that quite hits what I'm after.

Basically SWIM has been taking GBL 24/7 for the past 3-4 months, his dosage has become so wild that itsnow no longer a matter of waiting 2-3 hours for a dose, its when he feels shakey that he puts another 2.5mls down his throat.

To the point now I dont think his liver can handle it and it doesnt matter how much he drank, even a 5ml dose wouldnt send him straight to the hospital, its like his liver cant process it and it just floats around his body or something.

He has been down this road a few times before, beating it cold turkey but the last time this happened (after 4 months 24/7) after the 4-5 day mark he had a psychotic episode and had to be reffered to the crisis team as his family were unaware of him ingesting GBL at all and didnt know what was happening.

forward on 10 months and he is at the same point, this time however its serious. He needs to kick it and wants to forever as his marriage and family life depends on it. He is somehow holding onto a 9-5 job in the city but this cant go on.

He is suffering from nervous muscle spasms and eye twitching and his body feels as if its on the point of no return.

Basically he has gone to see a drug counsellor and in conjunction a GP so is armed with what he needs although obviously neither knew what gbl was so a print out of some posts on this forum was a great help (thnaks guys!)

detox was due to start this week but to add to all this his father is now on his death bad so SWIM must fly to australia to be with his family, and unfortunatly take his gbl with him somehow managing to get through this without them finding out and SWIM not breaking his head. All up he should be out there for about 2 weeks.

He know has a 10 day window off work starting in about 2 weeks in which to get himself clean.

He has :

28 x 7.5mg of Zopiclone
80 x 2mg Diazepam
4 x 20mg Temazepam

Can anybody suggest to SWIM what sort of dosage of these meds he needs to sort himself out of the 10 days, granted he is well versed on this as he has had to detox 3 times before.

Tapering although the most sound and safe method is not really an option to him unfortunately.

When SWIM was admitted to the crisis team before he was given olanzapine for the psychosis so this is available to him from the GP if required at the time.

PLEASE HELP!

[MrG]

Without the option of tapering SWIY is running the risk of getting himself bent well out of shape. He would be advised to visit his doctor and discuss the best use of short-course olanzapine in conjunction with tapering his GBL use. If he's got to be flying around the world as well as starting a new job he should really man up and admit his problem to his family so that they can understand and help.

Is there any chance SWIY can convert some of his GBL to GHB as, if SWIY's liver is strugging with the GBL, it will be a whole lot gentler on his system and should be easier to come off.

There are a number of threads in the GHB forum that discuss GBL withdrawal firsthand, I would suggest searching in the forum for "withdrawal" and going through some of the reports to see if anything fits SWIY's situation.

As for sleeping, 3mg supplements of pure Melatonin (not bundled with other vits) shortly before bed, works very well to get a natural sleep cycle back. Eating well, multivits in the morning (esp. B vits) and titrating the GBL seem to have helped most people caught in this trap.

I will repeat for the benefit of others DO NOT allow a 24/7 habit to develop either with GHB or, worse still, GBL.

The short half-life of G means that one really would have to consciously engage in chronic administration in order to become addicted.

[riaahacker]

keep in mind normal benzodiazepines and nonbenzodiazepines might not help fully with GBL/GHB withdrawal as they hit different GABA receptors, certain anticonvulsants can help. Good luck and hope you get through it.

EDIT: you might also want to look into phenibut it might help you.

[braggy]

Originally Posted by MrG

Without the option of tapering SWIY is running the risk of getting himself bent well out of shape. He would be advised to visit his doctor and discuss the best use of short-course olanzapine in conjunction with tapering his GBL use. If he's got to be flying around the world as well as starting a new job he should really man up and admit his problem to his family so that they can understand and help.

His family in the uk (and his wife are aware of this issue but not in Australia, as the current grief in the family rules out bringing such issues to the table

If he was to taper, can this be done in as little as 10 days?

braggy added 15 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

Also just quickly, SWIM will also do the conversion to ghb, he just wanted know though was there a difference between to powder form and the liquid form?

[zapatista]

SWIM found that the best substance to get off of GBL is phenibut. The problem is that phenibut has its own potential for addiction.
SWIM has been on a daily dose of phenibut for years and it has helped to control the urge to abuse GBL and ,on the ocassion when SWIM has relapsed, phenibut has helped to cut the habit down.
SWIM wants to make it clear that phenibut does not in itself produce any type of uphoria anymore and that the withdrawl symptom when SWIM has tried to quit where horrible.

Z

[braggy]

SWIM will invest in some when he arrives back from australia, what he would also like to know though is especially with diazepam, is there a recommended dosage to offset the anxiety of withdrawl as to not become relient on them? He has a course of 2mg tablets..

[riaahacker]

swim would recommend the minimum dosage that calms you down, which for most seems to be 10mg

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by MrG

As for sleeping, 3mg supplements of pure Melatonin (not bundled with other vits) shortly before bed, works very well to get a natural sleep cycle back. Eating well, multivits in the morning (esp. B vits) and titrating the GBL seem to have helped most people caught in this trap.

Is 3mg really necissary? I've heard that people really need less than 1mg, and that as little as 0.1-0.3 mg can be just as effective as higher doses. I'm no expert in this but would have thought that too much melatonin would not be advisable and may effect your bodies natural production of it. Swim takes no more than 1mg at a time, which seems to work just as well as his old 3mg supplements.

Swim did read this somewhere, which was based on some scientists research, but can not find the article at the moment.

[MrG]

3mg just happens to be a common dosage in the melatonin supps in SWIM's area.

It is only adviseable to take for short periods as far as current research has covered.

But certainly, people are likely to be better off trying at smaller doses beforehand but, to combat an immediate need where a personal dosage has not been established, a few days on 3mg is not likely to be problematic.