Dose - Ok who has the REAL scoop on dosing?

[Revolver123]

There is so much information going around in regards to dosing E pills. All of it conflicts with each other. Which is true and which is complete utter BS. Here is what's being said:

#1) Taking pills throughout the night keeps the roll going for hours. My roommate is an avid believer of this. He stresses to me constantly that you can take pills on the comedown and come right back up. He claims that in his experience of taking 200 pills, it works everytime for him. He also claims that he knows people who have rolled for three days straight, taking a pill every 2-3 hours to keep it going. Many people on this board say the same thing.

#2) The E experience and rolling is dependant on how much MDMA you take within the first THREE HOURS. Any additional pills after that will not make you come up but will only enhance the residual effects and result in a harsher comedown.

#3) Pills should be dosed within 30-60 minute intervals.

#4) It's ok to take more than one pill at a time and will make you roll harder.

So which is true and which is false?

[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by Revolver123

There is so much information going around in regards to dosing E pills. All of it conflicts with each other. Which is true and which is complete utter BS. Here is what's being said:

#1) Taking pills throughout the night keeps the roll going for hours. My roommate is an avid believer of this. He stresses to me constantly that you can take pills on the comedown and come right back up. He claims that in his experience of taking 200 pills, it works everytime for him. He also claims that he knows people who have rolled for three days straight, taking a pill every 2-3 hours to keep it going. Many people on this board say the same thing.

#2) The E experience and rolling is dependant on how much MDMA you take within the first THREE HOURS. Any additional pills after that will not make you come up but will only enhance the residual effects and result in a harsher comedown.

#3) Pills should be dosed within 30-60 minute intervals.

#4) It's ok to take more than one pill at a time and will make you roll harder.

So which is true and which is false?

1. Taking pills throughout the night can keep the level of energy going that accompanies the roll, the high certainly doesn't get better the more and more that it is taken, swim has noticed that re-dosing throughout the night is not a very good idea and can lead to some pretty annoying body issues (harsh jaw clench, dehydration like no other, aching muscles, headaches)

2. The three hour thing, swim is not too sure of, but the advice following is correct. after a certain amount of time, the roll will decline, some users like to keep popping to keep it going, but the brain only releases so much serotonin and after the end of the original dose, re-dosing will lead to many more unpleasant effects.

3. if swiy does not know the potency or even the substance in the pill (get a testing kit, please, save swiyself the trouble of the mystery game) it is wise to wait after dosing till the effects of the pills are noted and then re-dosing, assuming it isn't too far into the roll is a good option, but if the roll is already going, dosing a smaller booster dose like 75-50mg of MDMA or roughly half of a normal street pill will keep the feeling going and ease the comedown.

4. Not all pills carry the same amount of chemicals, sometimes there are pills that have small amounts of MDMA or other chemicals, other times there are pills that have a good deal of active chemicals. it is always best to know how strong and what is in the pill before deciding to double drop.
A test kit will help swiy determine the ingredients of the pill and knowing how strong the pill is by personal use is the best way to know if double dropping is a good idea, sometimes people take 2-4 pills they have never seen before and end up spending the night being over-stimulated and confused.

[FrAnCioS-]

swim feels redosing is a waste of good E You will never get the same high as your first pill swim also belives rolling day after day is also a waste its best to not abuse Mdma because you will lose that magic.


-FrAnCioS

[Revolver123]

If that's true then why is there alot of talk of people taking 3+ pills in a night? According to Swiy's statement, two pills max is all one would need for a night of intense rolling.

But theres so many posts of swims rolling for 10 hours straight after taking 5 pills. Are they fabrications?

[yaba]

Don't want to give bad advice but some people take xx-xx in a night, thats with a high tolerance ! Swim used to be one of those people when he was living in Amsterdam 10 years ago.

The thing is that at some point you can't get any higher.. And people will re dose to keep on going. Swim used to dread the comedown and wanted to stay high to avoid it !! Doesn't make sense if you think about it but at that moment..

Two pills a night is sensible and don't thin you need more, unless swiy is using it on a nearly daily basis. Plus the quality whats on the streets now.. Be safe !!

[Synesthesiac]

When they say that they could take pills for days and keep rolling the effects of MDMA will likely have worn off after the first five hours or so, and each time they take one they are getting the rush and buzz from the speed in the pills or whatever else. They should be able to tell the difference, the MDMA gives the lovey empathic feeling of contentment and euphoria, the speed makes you hyper, sociable and wanna run around and dance like a nutter.

[yaba]

Swim gets MDMA tiredness but still could go for on for days... The music kept swim awake and there is always a party after an after party !!
The pills were MDMA 100mg trust swim on that one..

[julian]

The answer to this question is only meaningful if the user knows the exact dose of MDMA that he/she will be consuming. Popping pills with an unknown quantity of MDMA and other substances will change the answer to this question.

For pure MDMA swim would suggest 120 mg to start, and 60 mg about 2 hours after initial ingestion. Swim finds this to be the best way possible for him to experience MDMA. Swim has repeated doses of 60 mg every 1.5-2 hours after that, but would not recommend doing so. Swim finds this increases the "speedy" effects, and decreases the euphoria feeling of MDMA.

Like said before, estimating this process with pills is pretty much pointless unless the exact quantity of MDMA is known (which is never).

[yaba]

Originally Posted by julian

The answer to this question is only meaningful if the user knows the exact dose of MDMA that he/she will be consuming. Popping pills with an unknown quantity of MDMA and other substances will change the answer to this question.

For pure MDMA swim would suggest 120 mg to start, and 60 mg about 2 hours after initial ingestion. Swim finds this to be the best way possible for him to experience MDMA. Swim has repeated doses of 60 mg every 1.5-2 hours after that, but would not recommend doing so. Swim finds this increases the "speedy" effects, and decreases the euphoria feeling of MDMA.

Like said before, estimating this process with pills is pretty much pointless unless the exact quantity of MDMA is known (which is never).

Not never.. 10 years ago someone might have known people who were buying PMK 5 and had students turning it in to MDMA hydrochloride 83/84 % (the powder was tested by a government lab LOL) Swim was told by those people that in a lab (professional) 88% is the maximum what can be achieved so 83/84% is pretty fuc*ing good ! Those people would batch it up (mixing the powder with a binder and food colorings) And in a sound proof garage pressing pills out of it. Then they go back with some pills and get them tested in the government lab, to see if the pills has turned out alright eg: has 100mg MDMA. Then make big orders out of it !!!!

Please note that the government lab was for users as, lets go out and use some pills buy 10 get 1 tested and if that was good then the others should be the same. (not always the case but I get there idea) Instead some shady people were there every Monday morning to test there powder... You bring in your pouder and or pills and get a code for each item, thats Monday morning and you ring them Thursday afternoon give them your items code's. And they tell you exactly what it is..

This was when swim was in Amsterdam 10 years ago.

[julian]

Originally Posted by yaba

Not never.. 10 years ago someone might have known people who were buying PMK 5 and had students turning it in to MDMA hydrochloride 83/84 % (the powder was tested by a government lab LOL) Swim was told by those people that in a lab (professional) 88% is the maximum what can be achieved so 83/84% is pretty fuc*ing good ! Those people would batch it up (mixing the powder with a binder and food colorings) And in a sound proof garage pressing pills out of it. Then they go back with some pills and get them tested in the government lab, to see if the pills has turned out alright eg: has 100mg MDMA. Then make big orders out of it !!!!

Please note that the government lab was for users as, lets go out and use some pills buy 10 get 1 tested and if that was good then the others should be the same. (not always the case but I get there idea) Instead some shady people were there every Monday morning to test there powder... You bring in your pouder and or pills and get a code for each item, thats Monday morning and you ring them Thursday afternoon give them your items code's. And they tell you exactly what it is..

This was when swim was in Amsterdam 10 years ago.

Sorry swim should have stated that he was referring to the U.S. in his original post.

[yaba]

Originally Posted by julian

Sorry swim should have stated that he was referring to the U.S. in his original post.

Do get your point and most people don't have a clue what they are taking. If swim wanted to get some pills now, he wouldn't know whats in them.
He isn't in Amsterdam anymore... And it was 10 years ago, swim is getting old !

[Lettish]

Swim has had some small sessions with a couple of pills that lasted 5 hours, and other sessions with several more pills lasting up to 30 hours. He doesn't know the science behind it but he will ask about it at the end of this post. All he knows is, a smaller dose gives him the euphoria and the typical "ecstasy" feeling, but when he keeps dosing he just gets more and more fucked, excuse the language.

His question is, if MDMA stimulates the release of serotonin, after a few hours rolling Swiy could argue that serotonin levels are very low. If Swim was to keep dosing (say, for arguments sake, 1 pill containing 100mg MDMA) every hour, what happens in his brain? The serotonin is so low that there is little being released, so what other chemicals get released? What happens in Swim's body when all the serotonin is gone and he keeps dosing?

[yaba]

Sorry I cant answer that question, but can relate to the fucked feeling...
Everyone starts of all nice going to a club, after party, house party all happy, then it changes...

[beefybeef87]

One time, swim railed mollies for 3 days and by third day swim wasn't really rolling anymore, so he stopped taking it and had some psychological problems that required medical attention.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by Revolver123

There is so much information going around in regards to dosing E pills. All of it conflicts with each other. Which is true and which is complete utter BS. Here is what's being said:

#1) Taking pills throughout the night keeps the roll going for hours. My roommate is an avid believer of this. He stresses to me constantly that you can take pills on the comedown and come right back up. He claims that in his experience of taking 200 pills, it works everytime for him. He also claims that he knows people who have rolled for three days straight, taking a pill every 2-3 hours to keep it going. Many people on this board say the same thing.

#2) The E experience and rolling is dependant on how much MDMA you take within the first THREE HOURS. Any additional pills after that will not make you come up but will only enhance the residual effects and result in a harsher comedown.

#3) Pills should be dosed within 30-60 minute intervals.

#4) It's ok to take more than one pill at a time and will make you roll harder.

So which is true and which is false?

Little fishy is going to answer the original post based on his own experience. Not read all replies so apologies if anything is repeated.

1) Repeated doing throughout the night can help continue the night. However, after dosing for 8+ hours the continual dosing does nothing to revive the euphoria or empathy, which continues to dwindle. The amphetamine like stimulation and energy does continue and get strong though. Eventually users lose the 'magic' which could have a huge difference when redosing. Losing the magic is a huge topic in itself and should be researched by every user, anyone with any sense would then realise using heavily, regularly or both is extremely wasteful.

2) See above. As with most drugs, you will only end up in a futile attempt to chase the level of the first peak which is almost always impossible.

3) Dosage should be as and when the user feels it's right for them, there is no specific guidelines. Know your body, know your mind. Ideally, you would only dose the once and maybe a top up dose and not exceed 125-150mg. (See: Increase in chances of (neuro)toxicity due to oxidative stress caused by enzyme saturation leading to higher concentration of blood and brain MDMA).

4) Define the dose of the pill. It could contain 0mg or MDMA or 200mg. The only way you could possibly roll harder is by accurately weighing pure crystal MDMA every time and upping the dose when you want too. Even 2 pills from the same batch could contain different amounts of MDMA.

KomodoMK added 1 Minutes and 44 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by beefybeef87

One time, swim railed mollies for 3 days and by third day swim wasn't really rolling anymore, so he stopped taking it and had some psychological problems that required medical attention.

Constant use for long periods like that is going to result in serious Serotonin (the neurotransmitter responsible for the effects of MDMA) depletion. No serotonin, no effects, lots of negative health consequences!

[Can'tSwim]

Swim has struggled with pills in the last year or two. It just wasn't like it used to be, where Swim could take pills and know exactly what was in them. Swim discovered MDMA, but was taking way to much and monging himself out.

Swim has now found that taking MDMA 'little but often' has really helped. SWIM does 150mg and then 100mg every few hours. Swim now rolls for 24 - 30 hours of a weekend, which he has achieved through mixing with MDMA with GBL. It's a fantastic mix. Swim gets the Gina out a few hours after taking the Mandy, so that he enjoys the initial high.