UK - legality of phalaris brachystachys in the uk.

[ghost47]

I was wandering if anyone knows the legal status of phalaris brachystachys in the uk. I know many DMT containing plants are legal (mimosa hostilis, etc) but im not sure about this one. It is said to have 3% alkaloid content, almost all N,N-DMT. I cant find a local vendor (I found one in the US) so im not sure.

[Potter]

Probably covered by CITIES and importable under permit only. The stuff is dangerous as all hell to wetlands, displacing natives with a useless grass. You can't clear it out, control is nearly impossible.

CITIES certificates aren't impossible to get, though nobody hasn't a clue how to go about it.

[ghost47]

Thanks. Can someone please confirm this.

[Alfa]

As it grows natively in Portugal, you can import it from within the EU and then you will not need a CITES certificate. This species of phalaris is also known as shortspike canarygrass.

[ghost47]

It also now grows in some parts of the states, dose this mean i can also import it from the US.

[drug-bot]

U.S. FEDERAL LEGAL SUMMARY
Phalaris Grass
REGULATED
No
STATUS
Ambiguous
SCHEDULE
Contains
Schedule I Chemical
CLASSIFICATION
Hallucinogen

DMT-containing Phalaris grass (P. quatica, P. arundinacea, P. canariensis, P. tuberosa) are not specifically controlled species in the United States. Live plants and seeds are bought and sold and are not generally considered illegal. However, DMT, one of the chemicals contained in these plants, is Schedule I in the U.S. Practically, this means that if an extraction is done on DMT containing Phalaris species, the resulting DMT is illegal to possess.

Large scale (especially commercial) extraction of DMT from Phalaris species falls into the realm of "clearly illegal" and would very likely be prosecuted. It is also possible that importation of DMT containing Phalaris species into the United States could result in problems with customs, especially if large volumes are imported.


INTERNATIONAL LAW #
U.K. #
Although DMT is Schedule I/Class A in the U.K., no Phalaris species is listed in the current U.K. laws and would thus be legal to possess until or unless it is prepared to ingest any DMT it contains. (thanks RT) (last updated May 2007)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalari...aris_law.shtml
at least in the u.s its ike san pedro cacti its legal to buy/own but becomes a scehduled 1 drug if the mescaline is extracted or the cacti eaten.

heres something of interest to swiy, regarding the only illegal plants in the uk -

The only plants or fungi currently listed in the MDA are plants in the genus Cannabis, plants of the species Papaver somniferum (the opium poppy), leaves from any plant of the genus Erythroxylon from which cocaine can be extracted (coca leaves), and the newly-added fungi that contain psiloc(yb)in.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_law2.shtml
^said quote is regarding the 2007 uk legal case of Regina v. Saul Sette which was the goverment trying to make mescaline containing cacti illegal, the judge threw the case out.

it took swim forever to find/write this so please show him some love (rep) lol

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[Alfa]

Originally Posted by drug-bot

it took swim forever to find/write this

Maybe he was looking to far from home, in this particular case

[ghost47]

So if I understand, it is perfectly legal in both UK and USA to buy/grow/own; dose this not mean it would be perfectly legal to inport/export between. That is if it is still legal in the uk (could someone confirm this plaese, I have tried but have been unable).

ghost47 added 1164 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

If it is illegal to import/grow in the uk, what action would be taken if I did so.

[Evil GIR]

The only time DMT plant matter becomes illegal is if its in a prepared form such as boiling away on top of you cooker. There is just too many plants out there that scheduling would be pointless or hard to control. Basically the laws says your allowed to have drug containing plants(Unless specificaly mentioned by law) as long as you don't eat or prepare them. They may try and do you for having dry grass as a preperation, but this is misleading and could easily be argued against in court as the grass would be a dry preperation of grass and not a preperation of dmt.


As for the grass I really doubt that would be scheduled, though if found cooking it and the police knew it contained a class A drug then you would be arrested on suspicion of possession with intent to supply a class A drug. The latter charge maybe dropped depending on the investigation. They are bastards and most of the time they love to add that last charge. I don't know if they do it to scare people or if they actually are going to try and do you for dealing when your clearly not.

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[ghost47]

Thanks man, but does this mean its not a prohibited import into the uk fron the usa.

[Alfa]

From the USA this may be a different issue. You'd probably need a CITES certificate, plus the legality of the plant is very unclear. Likely phalaris can be seen as a illegal preparation of DMT by US customs.

[ghost47]

Dose anyone know for sure? I realy need to know.

[ghost47]

I found out that it's 100% legal in all countries but is a prohibited import in some (still do not know about U.S to U.K). I don't think the prohibition is because of the alk content, but because it kills livestock that eat it and replaces ambient species of plant. A vendor from the U.S said:
"Phalaris (he is talking about brachystachys) is legal everywhere. There are sometimes regulations against live plant and seed, but we can creatively label the package =)
Additionally we have never had a custom seizure."
This vendor is out of stock until summer but I know of others in the U.S who have it in stock and who use discreet packing. So I'm not sure if I should just order it. Does anyone know if it is prohibited from U.S to U.K and/or if it would just not arrive or if i would get in trouble if it is. Thanks.

[Alfa]

Evil GIR has the answer to that

[ghost47]

Whats Evil GIR?