Smoking - smoking Morning Glory

[geezaman]

TRIP.MORE- although you would seem to be correct and until SWIM had done it he would have agreed with you, but SWIM now KNOWS something from the fuzz of HBWR has an effect, SWIM will soon also try smoking the seeds them selfs and report on their effects in comparison , but first SWIM must powder some seeds

OK this is sort of meant to be a safety warning from SWIM to anyone considering smoking HBWR fuzz, SWIM has now experienced this three times.
On the third of these the 1st toke caused SWIMs throat to close up and SWIM had definite difficulty breathing for a few minuets, the toke was quite harsh but SWIM has never had his throat close up on him before, as it closed up after smoking HBWR fuzz SWIM is associating it to that, be careful SWIYs
On the other hand Smoking HBWR is seriously interesting, all sorts of open and closed eye hallucinations. An aspect of smoking HBWR fuzz SWIM found very interesting is what SWIM mentioned as its "control over SWIY" SWIM can now refine that statement, you are not controlled but instead you loose will power. Anytime you think you cant do something you can, its just not worth it in most cases. Very similar to couch lock but on a broader spectrum, getting locked into actions and movements. SWIM shocked himself by while experiencing this, SWIM had gone into a closed eye hallucination in which he was laying next to and talking to a friend whose arm was across SWIMs chest at some point ( in reality this time) SWIM moved his own arm a bit and was surprised to find his friends arm moving, this broke SWIMs hallucination abruptly but within the hallucination SWIMs arm had become his friends in every way possible.

[Praxis]

SWIM wants to know how long these effects last from smoking.

[geezaman]

roughly 1 hour of noticeable effects If fuzz is smoked on its own, if SWIY were to mix Fuzz with his weed, the weed high hallucinations would be changed for a few hours, SWIM and his friends believe from experiences with fuzz that whatever it is in the fuzz stays active in the body for at least 7 hours after, but to a lesser degree. basically this was considered to be the case because smoking weed and fuzz together or near each other gives a different sort of weed high in which the fuzz is having an influence, well after smoking just fuzz earlier in the day SWIM went out on the night and smoked some bud with his chums and the weed high had noticeable fuzz influence in it. One Friend also gave up fuzz for a few days complaining it "fucked him up" he later explained he was having some weird bad thoughts that were waking him from his sleep. SWIM has not experienced and mental negativity though.
hope this helps SWIpraxis

[allyourbase]

LSA might not be the primary intoxicant if smoked. it would be destroyed by both heat and light.....but at the same time, thousands of years of tribal knowledge are not to be overlooked. these plants could easily hide something more complicated.

[Praxis]

so SWIM came right back to normal after the 1 hour trip? SWIM wants to know if the HBWR induced any other feelings like euphoria, sense of inner peace, etc. And could it be done with a vaporizer, if so would it be just like weed i.e. SWIM would only have to use half the amount used for smoking?

[geezaman]

scrapings of ten HBWRS got SWIM going. As for how long it will last SWIM has only his experience and yes noticeable effects were all gone after a hour if not mixed with other drugs, but everyones different so beware. saying that the scrapings of 10 seeds got SWIM going SWIM continued to smoke more after this initial dose. so time of 1 dose as SWIM dosed could have been less The 1 hour. No euphoria was noticed, some sense of calmness was perceived but everything seemed to slow down, thoughts had trouble turning into actions so the chilled feeling was prob because SWIM couldn't get his head around doing anything

[Praxis]

so its kinda like going brain dead? SWIM want to know if have you experienced any tolerance to it? SWIM currently is the owner of 850 HBWR seeds. SWIM will try 6 seeds worth of fuzz shavings tonight. SWIM is very inbeterested in this topic.

[geezaman]

SWIM wouldn't quite say brain dead but definitely slowed, for SWIY who has not yet done it, "brain dead" is not a bad way of thinking about it, In honesty SWIM cannot comment on tolerance, none was noticed but that is not to say it was not there. Would love to hear about your experience if SWIY does decide to smoke it, It might be good if SWIY could record doses as in amounts of fuzz ....seeds worth / VS effects experienced or even the effects of re dosing. This could also help establish if tolerance is a factor. SWIM will be looking into this himself when he gets some more.
just to note
- smoking the fuzz seemed more effective when smoke was held a long time.
- fuzz had much greater effect than smoked crushed seeds
- smoking fuzz after weed For SWIM made hallucinations more interesting
- If SWIY has a nut allergie SWIM would advise caution with dosage
Hope things go well for SWIY, and please post SWIYs experience back. ( a number of people have suggested placebo effect, but someone who does not know SWIM having an experience would help rest SWIMs mind on this.

[Praxis]

SWIM will most definately try this out, but is currently depressed for unknown reasons. Swim has been taking Omega 3 fish oil, twice everyday for almost the past month, along with Vitamin B6 and Magnesium, all for his definate, but controlable derealization/depersonalization. Things have been getting more real and SWIM wonders if maybe he is depressed because life was more interesting when it felt like a dream, because SWIM is almost normal on those vitamins, and it feels like reality is boring.

ANYWHO....SWIM will try 6 seeds worth of fuzz in the first experiment by smoking, then the same amount with a vaporizer, then maybe with a water bong. SWIM will also try to test if there is a tolerance level. But SWIM wants to know if your pupils were dialated, or if there was anything going on with SWIY that would tell people "hey hes on drugs!"

Hopefully this depression will subside soon so I can be at least in an OK mood when trying this, WIM sure as hell doesnt want to do something like this when he is depressed.

[Praxis]

Originally Posted by Praxis

Hopefully this depression will subside soon so I can be at least in an OK mood when trying this, WIM sure as hell doesnt want to do something like this when he is depressed.

I dont do drugs. I meant SWIM.

[geezaman]

Well I of course have not tryed smoking any shells of seeds, the sea or munitions as each would be silly and at least one very dangerous. On the other hand a good friend of mine SWIM did smoke some shelly fuzz, SWIM found the smoke to be harder to hold when he had a bowl packed with quite shelly fuzz.
The smoke is quite thick as it is but seems to go down alright. SWIM found that the fuzz smoke found a special place to hit his throat, which gave a tangy tingly sensation no other smoke had ever made happen, but it was not too difficult to hold and not to cough. SWIM is sure SWIY will experience this new place in SWIYs throat when he 1st trys smoking it.

As for the "He's on drugs" effect, there was no noticed pupil dilation and in a social situation were other drugs were not being used by the fuzz smoker, staying normal should not be too difficult In SWIMS HO, what might be noticed is inability to concentrate, some couch lock like effect, zonking out, and inability to hold conversations or have verbal input because SWIYs mind is too slow. Although saying that SWIMs first fuzz experience as described in this thread was somewhat overpowering, If the social occasion SWIY refers to would include weed smoking then SWIY may find himself disappearing into the world of CEVs short and if SWIY allows it long periods of time.

Also good luck with the depression thing. After a long period of drug enjoyment returning to the normal range of colours, sensations, and, emotions the world has to offer was depressing for SWIM too, good luck

[Praxis]

SWIM put 6 seeds worth of fuzz into his bamboo pipe today at about 3:05. This was just the fuzz, no scrapings from hard part of the seed itself, and no shells. SWIM took 4 or 5 tokes holding each for about 3 -5 seconds.

the only the SWIM experienced was slowed thought and a definate tingly/numbness in his face, but he has gotten that from inhaling smoke from whatever. SWIM felt like he could notice more in his vision field at one time than normal, but this could also have been a product of the adrenaline rush he gets from trying any drug.

All in all there were no definate effects, except perhaps of those caused by adrenaline.

Despite this failure SWIM will continue to test this smoking the same amount or more and holding it in longer.

[geezaman]

most of SWIMs own experiences of the fuzz were THC, CBD, and other cannaboids were already in his system, and half of those also included MDMA and butyl nitrates as well as alcohol. SWIM has not experienced unadulterated fuzz on its own in some time, and as mentioned in another thread is currently working through some unintentional fuzz extract. SWIm is still confident that fuzz does have an effect, perhaps some are more suseptable to these effects than others. saying that SWIm does not believe he is particularly suggestable

[Praxis]

SWIM smoked 8 seeds worth today just 20 minutes ago, once again with no effects.

[geezaman]

well, unless SWIY gets bored or pissed off with it SWIM would suggest keep upping the dose, though 2 seeds worth at a time SWIM would consider a tad conservative perhaps doubling or half doubling dose each time? as in if started with 6 seeds worth 1st time move to 9 or 12 seeds worth, increasing by such a small amount each time is safe addmittedly but may mean effects are not noticed- (that make sense, bit mashed). SWIM is drying out some MG leaves (what the thread was origionally about), when dry will count and weigh leaves and see if any effects are noticed. SWIm wioshes to thank SWIY for proceeding with this after the 1st unsuccessfull attempt

[snapper]

SWIM has tried smoking HBWR powdered and only got an intense bronchitis effect. However, SWIM is interested in Alfa's recommendations and will seek this plant out. Keep in mind that this is a large and complicated genus including edible varieties (ipomea aquatica and ipomea batata (sweet potato) as well as emetic species (jalapa) and many inactive species. There are a huge number of others that remain unassayed and likely have a complex phytochemistry.

[Praxis]

well another thing that might have resulted in the failures is the fact thatSWIM hasnt eaten the seeds yet to see if they are active.

[geezaman]

ah gud point SWIPraxis, SWIMs first experience of fuzz was from genuine good Hawians, the extract stuf SWIM is now working through, is less intense and powerfull but was from ghanan varierty seeds. for future knowlage SWIM will try and smoke some alcohol lsa extract, (should be buzzing with LSAs) the other extract which SWIM has had effects from smoking should contain no LSAs. SWIM also managed to completly dry his morning glory leafs within 24hours by wrapping them against silica gell packs with tissue paper.



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[allyourbase]

I think from your descriptions that this is not an ergoline intoxication. perhaps its some novel indole contained in the outercoating.

[geezaman]

im afraid i dont understand the tearm "novel indole" or "indole", if the novel was as in "a novel idea", does this make sense?

[geezaman]

OK SWIM has now tryed smoking morning glory leafs and sadly no effects were noticed. well not quite true MG leafs were the harshest thing SWIM believes he has ever smoked, SWIM is sure he lost some parts of the inside of his throat in undertaking this. saying this the taste of the smoke was not to bad and once down was not to hard to hold, unlike yopo (evil evil yopo). SWIM will try this again just incase he missed something but intends to wait until his throat stops hurting so very much