Smoking - smoking Morning Glory

[Cloud_Man]

Can you smoke either the leaves or flowers of this plant?

[Alfa]

A very good question. I remember that the book plants of the gods, edition without Christian Rätsch, mentioned a african ipomea(morning glory)variety is smoked by indignious people, so the chances are great that this will give a strong & good effect. But in case of bioessaying this, please go easy on the dose. There might be some strong side effects. It would be wise to first look up which substances are in the plant. Anyone care to post this here? I do not have my books at hand.

[sunyata]

This isall Icould findon the net:
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Shrub Morning Glory


Convolvulaceae--Morning Glory Family


Native to India


Unlike most members of the Morning Glory family, this species is a shrub that is often an aggressive invader in its native habitat.


An extract of the leaves causes drunkeness and the smoked leaves are a hallucinogen. The seeds of I. carnea are the most potent of all the Ipomoea species.

[Alfa]

The variety I read about was Ipomea involucrata.

[fiftyseven]

wow i have never heard of the leaves being smoked. as i understand it the LSA's get destroyed by heat rather easily. perhaps there are other chemical at work, but i doubt it. if you have a bunch of leaves go for it, i would be extremly curious.

[wappy_420]

hey is there
different morning glorys u can smoke????/ because my dad grows
morning glorys but they r a flower i believe&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;what
coulour is the flower??????</span>

[GDxCAT]

i would suggest eating the seeds.

as 57 mentioned, LSA's are destroyed by heat. This makes me curious as
to what is causing the psychedelic effects from smoking it.

Anyone have any info on this, sources would be great.

thankls

[antigenesis]

has anyone here tried smoking MG seeds?

[panchovilla]

Not a good idea

[Mezza]

That wouldnt be a good idea - the heat from whatever flame you're using will destroy the active tryptamines within the seeds.


However, grind up about 6-9g of seeds, soak them in cold water for an hour, strain and drink. NOW smoke a bowl of some good MJ...you'll be in a for a pleasant, if not somewhat nauseating, ride


Mezza

[genaro]

maybe you can vaporize some lsa extract ?

[Mezza]

No, the heat will destroy the actives.

[antigenesis]

OK thanks, just wondering after reading a wierd trip report on erowid.

[Rufus]

yeah, I read the same trip report...just gives you a headache and lightheadedness.
about the same if you inhaled campfire smoke.

[Emperiorjack]

At what Temp. is LSA destroyed?

[Thirdedge]

There is a lot of reports on an Australian forum about smoking LSA sucessfully. People have apparently got very good results from scraping the fuzz from HBWR and smoking or snorting. All that is required is the scrapings from 1-4 seeds. This would appear to defy science and could possibly be a result of other chemicals besides LSA present in the seeds, or substances converting to other substances upon being burnt.

[genaro]

ok let's open my (sacred&holy) Merck index...ergine...ergine...no ergine?
Mmmm....lysergic acide amide...
lysergic acide amide...lysergic ac...lysergamide ! here it is !
So...prism from methanol, dec 242°
That's it.

Merck index is a must have ! (really worth the high price for the book)

[Alfa]

Ipomea involucrata leafs have a history of being smoked by central African indiginous peope.

[Thirdedge]

"Ipomea involucrata leafs have a history of being smoked by central African indiginous peope."

Very interesting. I wonder what they smoked it for (LSA like effects, visionary, sedative)?

[bottlekop]

swim has Eaten 3 MG Flowers before. pretty heavy sudation(sp) but nothing psychdelic. maby if one ate more it could give an effect, but may have worse side effects than even the seeds(nausea etc...) due to more bad constituants and less LSA and related alkoloids. as for smokking, 57 and GDxCAT are correct as far as i know, heat distroys the LSA. maby it only distroys some of the LSA and some survives and gets through to swiy's lungs?

[desolated000]

I too am curious about this. Why would swim try to gag down half and ounce of seeds when he could just smoke one to get high?

Swim tried smoked some leaves today, he didn't smoke enough to feel anything, the taste was getting too bad. In total maybe one hit.

Also, swim read something about LSD that is probally true for most chemicals. Smoking LSD is ineffective because MOST of the chemical is destroyed upon burning, but some isnt and is carried by the smoke. So smoking LSD is stupid because much of it is destroyed, but it would work to a certain extent. Swim assumes the same is true for LSA? This is Erowid info.

[psyche]

That's strange. I would've imagined that LSA being so sensitive to even ligth and what not, would absolutely destroy when smoked. Would someone have any first-hand succesfull experience, or actually second hand if someone knows SWIM.

Last time SWIM tried he did the crude water extraction and got satisfying results from quite low dose, aroung 170 seeds. SWIM would like to try more, but he's a littlebit worried because 250 got he's feed ache quite a bit when walking.

[Alfa]

Threads merged.

[geezaman]

Smoking HBWR fuzz as mentioned by thirdedge SWIM found most interesting last night, unfortunately SWIM had smoked some HBO first so his experience can not be objectively only associated with the fuzz, but his experience was far from any previous HBO related experience. SWIM will try again tonight with no HBO just the fuzz SWIY'll see why if you read the rest.

SWIM started by putting some of the fuzz around 6 seeds worth in his water pipe and took about 5 soft tokes holding each as long as he could, the smoke was nutty and a tad harsh. SWIM waited about 5 minutes and found himself in a slightly sedated state, there was some pressure though not heavy or painful on SWIMs head. Thoughts and vision seemed slowed but moving was not, just the thoughts to decide "SWIM wants to move there" were. on the other hand SWIM also felt a little of him starting to do something before he had decided too. This is obviously difficult to explain. To compare the experience to something SWIYs may have had, it was like the feeling of being completely drunk physically and mentally, imagine it. But just your head. there was also a sensation of SWIMs skin dripping or forming heavy globs as though SWIMs skin were melting, this was not overpowering or worrying though just interesting

SWIM took a few more tokes and found the music he was listening to controled the way he moved, this was involuntary. It began with the end of the song "fearless" by "Pink Floyd" playing oddly due to a scratched disk and then continued to control SWIM until half way through Mr Blue sky by ELO, it was the beat or rhythm within the songs that controlled SWIMs movements Mr Blue Sky making SWIM quite robotic, SWIM regained control near the end of Mr blue sky by deciding to stop moving. to put it another way if SWIM had tried to move from A to B he would have done it in a robotic dance manner so SWIMs need to get from A to B decreased and SWIM stayed still.

SWIM proceeded to take a few more tokes finishing the bowl, after this SWIM was aware of closed eye patterns of light on dark with smooth edges somewhat like a shadow of a lava lamp. SWIM put his stuff away and lay down to trip/sleep. SWIM noticed once layed down he was forgetting to breath and then suddenly breathing, SWIM does not think his heart rate was effected noticeably as his pulse rate did not seem slowed.

As swim lay now with the lights off more random open eyed hallucinations began, none overwhelming some as if on a screen in mid air and random, all seeming large and singular rather than a grid of copy's of one image an example being a bee flying into a large purple lily like flower. Others relating to SWIMs surroundings more, for example, two zeros on SWIMs video recorder display looking more like a bubble font letter H or 0=0 and this H then floating about the room. increasing and decreasing in size.

SWIM also experienced a few instances of audio hallucination, and an overlay of color (similar to petrol on water) over some images.

Well thats the best SWIM can explain it. Looking back that was pretty trippy but at the time these things did not have a "WOW expletive SWIM, look at that crazy stuff" feel about them. As SWIM said, will definitely be trying that again, and hope it was not in any way due to the HBO.
Apologies for the long post but felt it was necessary

[trip.more]

LSA degrades from heat and light so swim doesn't think it will have an effect