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Ethnobotanicals Psychedelic plants, Iboga, Calea, Blue lotus, Ephedra, Sinicuichi, Betel nut, etc.

 
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Old 27-01-2009, 05:27
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Natural Opiate substitute?

Im new here, obviously, and ive searched the forums but didnt find another topic like this (used the search feature). Is there a legal natural substitute with similar effects for drugs such as vicoden or percocet? My doctor recently changed my pain management prescription and its not as effective so im looking into other means...any help would be appreciated!
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Old 27-01-2009, 06:39
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

Kratom. There's a forum and much info on it . SWIM just made that switch as well. I am not sure but one could search salvia divinorum? Hope that is spelled right. SWIY will find much info. If making the switch and SWIY is confused as there is ALOT of 'old hat' jargon/advice, SWIM can advise. Will be around for a while. Best of luck. SWIY can get Kratom everywhere. Ebay, trial and error on quality/potency. Good number for one who is used to 10 mg of percocet it 4 of the 600 mg Kratom capsules just to be SURE SWIY is okay with it since first time trying.
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Old 27-01-2009, 06:53
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

salvia is a psychedelic hallucinogen so swiy would not want that for pain relief

kratom is a natural opiate like plant usually made into tea... its good for pain relief...

do a simple search for kratom and find the forum with loads of info!
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Old 31-01-2009, 11:50
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

Well, opium of course.It's seeds can be found online legally since they're used for decorative purposes.
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Old 31-01-2009, 13:34
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

yeah, poppy pods can be purchased legally and made into a tea which is quite powerful.

IMO its cheaper and better than kratom in most walks, except for one big issue (and its quite significance) and that is addiction/tolerance/dependency. Opium is god awful in that sense so for habitual use, swim would recomend kratom
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

SWIMs also much interested in the pods as the Kratom 'nice ness' lasted about a week and now just ill affects/headaches and nausea so on to a new search, which is tough. Swim is getting tired of those new starts but on into mother earth's gifts she will go. Salvia was one swim was thinking of so DXMbunny -thanks for that one liner that really helps other searches as some say it's comparable to Kratom. So much Kratom info so little time..
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Old 01-02-2009, 00:34
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

swim is interested in these opie pods/seeds....dried pods? make tea with them? tea the seeds? swim is very confused and apologizes if these question are in violation of any terms (swim is kind of forgetful )
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Old 01-02-2009, 00:34
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

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yeah, poppy pods can be purchased legally and made into a tea which is quite powerful.

IMO its cheaper and better than kratom in most walks, except for one big issue (and its quite significance) and that is addiction/tolerance/dependency. Opium is god awful in that sense so for habitual use, swim would recomend kratom
doesn't kratom have the potential to be very addictive as well?
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:19
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

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doesn't kratom have the potential to be very addictive as well?
Yes but the withdrawal is not nearly as bad as that of pod tea, after all pods are basically morphine..
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Old 03-02-2009, 18:30
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

Yeah plus kratom does not induce extreme fatigue muscle stiffness, hAngovers and withdrawal that pods exihibit
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Old 03-02-2009, 23:58
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

Though not a substitute, pods are the most legal thing that a person can use to get an opiate high. If done right, poppy 'straw' can knock one off their ass harder than most prescription opiates. Dried pods are easily obtainable from a popular auction website.

Kratom is probably the closest non-opiate substitute there is. For SWIM, kratom produces a high at least as good as a decent size dose of hydrocodone. The only drawbacks to kratom are its horrid taste, nausea, and (very rarely) anxiety fits. SWIM strongly recommends staying away from auction sites to buy kratom. He has had only bad experiences. Try searching the internet for any herbal supplement site that appears to put a lot of focus on their selection of kratom. This is usually a good indicator that they have enough confidence in the quality of their product to brag about it.

Salvia offers absolutely zero potential as a replacement for any opiate. In fact, I would venture to say it is the polar opposite of any opiate. It is very short acting, non-relaxing, hallucinagenic, and just overall different.
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Old 05-02-2009, 21:37
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Re: Natural Opiate substitute?

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Though not a substitute, pods are the most legal thing that a person can use to get an opiate high. If done right, poppy 'straw' can knock one off their ass harder than most prescription opiates. Dried pods are easily obtainable from a popular auction website.

Kratom is probably the closest non-opiate substitute there is. For SWIM, kratom produces a high at least as good as a decent size dose of hydrocodone. The only drawbacks to kratom are its horrid taste, nausea, and (very rarely) anxiety fits. SWIM strongly recommends staying away from auction sites to buy kratom. He has had only bad experiences. Try searching the internet for any herbal supplement site that appears to put a lot of focus on their selection of kratom. This is usually a good indicator that they have enough confidence in the quality of their product to brag about it.

Salvia offers absolutely zero potential as a replacement for any opiate. In fact, I would venture to say it is the polar opposite of any opiate. It is very short acting, non-relaxing, hallucinagenic, and just overall different.
Exactly but salvia is in fact an opioid, salvinorin A has a high affinity for kappa opioid receptors and this is what gives salvia its hallucinogenic properties. But yes certainly not what the OP is looking for.

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