Effects - When will it end?

[Synesthesiac]

swim took a pill earlier with his mates. swim had one, they all had two. It is called TripTastic, and contains: Ingredients: Amino Acid Blend, Gelatin (Capsule Shell), 1-benzylpiperazine,
1-(3-trifluromethylphenyl) Piperazine, Caffeine, Vitamin B1,
Vitamin B5, Vitamin B6, Magnesium Stearate

The buzz is horrible. Paranoia. Unable to socialize. Friends have gone out now without swim as he wasn't feeling too well after it, they said they were feeling fine and had already come down, that was four hours ago. swim is still exactly the same as he was at the peak, pupils the size of saucepans, paranoid, scared (of nothing logical), numb and discolored hands, feel hot and clammy, keep burping huge amounts of gas every two minutes, and this is now eight hours after swim took it. swim has reacted very differently to everyone else for sure.

What should swim do to end this madness? How long does this crap usually last? So glad swim chose not to do two like everyone else did.

[KomodoMK]

Worst case scenario seems to be around 12 hours, although after that it doesn't guarantee sleep, SWIY may find it hard to get comfortable and toss and turn, find it hot and have muscle twitches and find themselves constantly thinking. Little fishy has known this to be slight relieved through drinking some Alcohol, 4-5 cans of 5% beer should suffice and take the edge off, although caution should be advised.

What you describe is quite a rare reaction, has SWIY ever taken BZP and TFMPP before? What is the product that SWIY took on this occasion? What you have taken isn't strictly legal either, even though they are not specifically controlled substances they are now classified as prescription only medicines, thus why their availability from within the UK has reduced somewhat but still possible to obtain with the right sources. Little fishy understands SWIY is not on top form right now but would recommend editing the post before someone doesn't give the benefit of the doubt and neg reps.

Hope SWIY feels better soon!!! Little fishy is here to help however possible if required.

[Synesthesiac]

thanks for quick reply. swim has no beers at the moment unfortunaly.

Yes swim has taken BZPTFMPP once before andd much more than this and swim had a weird reaction then too, swim got bad Derealization the following days. thread about it here somewhere. Which is why swim only did one of these after his mates convinced him they were really weak ones. which they do seem to be for everyone else but swim. this is crazy. swim doesn't think he is in any real danger, but has to keep constantly reminding himself of this.

Maybe will take some melatonin and 5-htp to try to sleep, but swims not sure he wants to solve a drugs issue with more drugs. sleep is not going to happen for a long time going by how swim feels now.

Thanks for reasurance. swims a tit. Should've learnt he reacts bad to this stuff last time.

[KomodoMK]

Trying just once you can't conclude that it has a bad reaction for you due to many other possible variables involved which could cause a negative experience. A second time that has the same effects indicate that the chemical(s) just are not good for you.

Little fishy did try and fairly enjoyed BZP/TFMPP but wasn't overly keen on the body load or muscle twitching, after a few tries decided it just wasn't worth it.

I think sleep maybe SWIY best bet right now, although it maybe hard, especially without some alcohol to take the edge of.

Little fishy hopes SWIY will be okay and will get some decent sleep ASAP.

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[Samadhi]

A nice cup of tea with some valerian root could help out.

Diphenhydramine at mid-range dosages (100-150mg) has knocked swim off of the end off a DOx trip into a nice sleep, just make sure swiy is in bed when it hits.

in swims opinion BZP & TFMPP are two of the worst chemicals that are being sold on the RC market, more bad times have been had with these chems then good in swims experience.

hope this helps swisyn.

[Synesthesiac]

swim does actually have some valerian root in some herbal sleepoing pills so is going to have a couple of these, they also contain extract of hops and extract of passionflower. Will update if anything else noteworthy happens, swims gonna try his hardest to get some sleep but finds this very unlikely at the moment.

Swim is crossing his fingers he's not going to wake up tomorrow still in a dream, which actually turns out the be real, like last time he did this stuff. Derealization is a bitch, and very wierd.

[gimphood]

Fat Dave hopes swiy is ok now?

Dave says them RC's are shit.. He looked at this site amongst other and decided that they were not nice.

Swim hopes the next few days are ok.. 5htp is always good for brain repair as well as good food and sleep.

[Synesthesiac]

Swim is sorta okay now, a good nights sleep seems to have worked wonders. He nodded off about 15 hours after taking it, and he was pretty much still experiencing full effects ten hours after taking it. Which seems pretty much unheard of from such a small amount as he took. No doubt the melatonin and 5-htp worked well too. Swims never touching these again, and is going to have to be very careful when he buys pills in general from now on incase they are bzp/tfmpp and he gets another wierd reaction.
Swim feels slightly hung over. Last time he did these he felt the same, but he had a weird reaction the day after the hangover. I think that 5-htp will save him this time though. He's going to try to work out why these substances have such a weird effect on him over the next few days. Very odd reaction.

[gimphood]

Good news for SWIY..

Fat dave is researching Methylone tonight,... Just couldnt help himself.

Did SWIY know that BZP and TFMPP is used in clinical trials to bring on bad headaches to test migrane drugs?

And does SWIY know what Piperizines were used for a few years ago?

Glad swiy is feeling slightly more normal

gimphood added 1 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

. I think that 5-htp will save him this time though. He's going to try to work out why these substances have such a weird effect on him over the next few days. Very odd reaction.[/quote]


Cant beat it. Really does help Swim...

[Synesthesiac]

Glad swiy is feeling slightly more normal

Thanks m8

Fat dave is researching Methylone tonight,... Just couldnt help himself.

Swim wishes he had decided the same instead of doing this! Swim loves methylone, though it is very easy to overindulge. I recommend setting an upper limit on how much swiy is going to do and giving the rest to someone esle to look after.

[gimphood]

Hey, for Swim that no bother, SWIMs pleasure.

Swim ends up using will power for methylone cravings, but saying that, this is the 3rd night in a row he has researched.. He loves it..
SWIM however did give up 20 bensons a day for 24 years - just like that. Its all in the mind.

M1 is XTC for grownups as they say. Swiy just has to be strong. SWIM has family to deal with tmrow AM. !!

SWIM is buzzin - sorry for the gabber!

[FrAnCioS-]

Good luck trying to sleep lol Piperazine is a horible drug swim would never do that again.

UK problem atm is Piperazine in "E" pills swim Dreams of obtaining Mdma only pills again in the uk


-FrAnCioS

[Synesthesiac]

Swims fine now. Just thought I would say. Still dont know why he reacts like this to these piperazines. He's tried other drugs that can make people paranoid, high doses of HBWR, Morning glory, DMT, comedown off coke/ampetamines, and he's always fine on them and hardly ever gets anxiety or paranoia. Something about these that really trips him out. Complete illogical fear of nothing, which culmulates into paranoia and confusion.

I hate to think this would be anyones first drug, it would put them off other 'harder' illegal drugs for life if they effected them like swim. From swims experience harder drugs are generally better drugs, maybe the govenment wants all the crap drugs to be kept legal the logest to put people off trying the illegal ones Though BZP/TFMPP is not strictly fully legal as pointed out above, its in a sort of grey area at the moment.
Swim is gonna be very careful with his pills from now on. Thanks again peeps for the words of support on the night, it did help swims state of mind a lot.

[FrAnCioS-]

Originally Posted by Synesthesiac

Swims fine now. Just thought I would say. Still dont know why he reacts like this to these piperazines. He's tried other drugs that can make people paranoid, high doses of HBWR, Morning glory, DMT, comedown off coke/ampetamines, and he's always fine on them and hardly ever gets anxiety or paranoia. Something about these that really trips him out. Complete illogical fear of nothing, which culmulates into paranoia and confusion.

I hate to think this would be anyones first drug, it would put them off other 'harder' illegal drugs for life if they effected them like swim. From swims experience harder drugs are generally better drugs, maybe the govenment wants all the crap drugs to be kept legal the logest to put people off trying the illegal ones Though BZP/TFMPP is not strictly fully legal as pointed out above, its in a sort of grey area at the moment.
Swim is gonna be very careful with his pills from now on. Thanks again peeps for the words of support on the night, it did help swims state of mind a lot.

I am happy swim is ok now