iDoser, what are your thoughts?

[mick mouse]

Has anyone ever heard of/experienced Binaural brainwave synchronization? SWIM ran across this recently and it sounded just too good to be true!
The idea is (and this is taken straight from the web page) that a binaural beat changes the frequency of your brainwaves to achieve a specific mood or experience.

It would appear that the brain resonates at a certain frequency while under the influence of certain chemicals, with each specific chemical having its own frequency, measured in Hertz.

For instance, opium will cause a resonation of a specific hertz, while amphetamine will cause a resonation at a different hertz.

Sounds good so far? I mean, imagine getting a certain effect without having to resort to the use of a potentially unlawful/dangerous substance normally know to produce such an effect. SWIM knows that this is simply based on the principles of subliminal behaviour modification, but had never considered this aspect of it.

SWIM was trolling ZDnet and ran across a free progam called I-Doser, which claimed to not only do the above, but actually work, so SWIM naturally had to try it out. The program comes with 3 free "doses" and the option to purchase , at a very reasonable price, other doses in a variety of catagories either singly or in 3-packs.

SWIM downloaded the program, paid close attention to directions (especially the set-and setting section), and tried the first 3 free ones- opium, coffee, and a sedative program, the name of which escapes SWIM at this moment.

SWIM achieved a somewhat relaxed state from the opium, although nothing like what SWIM was expecting, nothing at all from the sedative program, and a jittery feeling from the coffee program. This was just enough to peak SWIM's curiosity, so he purchase the 3 pack of "masochist" . This was advertised as a combo of opium, extascy, and pain. At least we now know where SWIM's hobbies are!

Again, paying close attention to set-and-setting, as well as all other directions, SWIM got.......NOTHING!

It must be noted that one of the requirements that SWIM couldn't fulfill and is said to be absolutely necessary is the use of quality headphones, SWIM has pisspoor headphones (preferring his 200 watt surround sound set-up!) and this program is very specific in that it will not work on a speaker system.

SWIMs total investment was under US10.00 and the time it took to download the .exe file, which was under 1 meg, so it was not counted as a major loss, especially when considering that the underlying scientific principle seems to be logical. SWIM also picked up some very interesting knowledge through the FAQ section of the program as well as links to other information on the subject. SWIM also recalls research done on the subject in the area of crowd control, which consisted of a jet engine ran through a set of baffles to create a low frequency that caused effects ranging from simple nausia to cellular disruption and death, depending on the frequency.

Total score of SWIMs experience was 1 yes, 1 maybe, and 4 no. Again, just enough to peak SWIMs curiosity. SWIM intends on looking into this a bit further to see if it is do-able on SWIMs budget and will post accordingly, but would like to hear from other members regarding knowledge of this field, experiences with this or other programs, and information in general on this subject.

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Thanks for the info and SWIY's experience.

[Feelingood]

Stumbled across this little program, had mixed results with it so far, most probably placebo.

"I-Doser is an application which claims to use binaural beats in order to simulate the effect of various drugs and other altered states of consciousness. Users can purchase "doses" of their choice from the website. The I-Doser application then plays "dose" files which attempts to create the effects of the chosen drug.
This natural phenomenon was discovered by Heinrich Wilhelm Dove, a German Neuroscientist in 1839. He claimed that the beat frequency of two sounds of similar frequencies could influence the fundamental state of the brain. This is called Binaural beats."

I'm obviously a little skeptical, anyones experiences, and/or opinions would be appreciated.

This is a relatively old program, so i was suprised when no results were turned up.

Best results are gotten when listening to the whole thing, use headphones and close your eyes and relax.

SWIY could always torrent the different drug files....though this is illegal.

[Metalcore322]

It's funny that you mention that because just the other day me and Mr. Angry were talking about I-doser.
Mr. Angry claims that it works sometimes and others it doesn't.
The hallucinogen doses has no effect except peyote once (pissed when hand of god didn't work!) sent him on a rediculous trip (while listening to it Mr. Angry thought up an EPIC orcestra-type thing to go with the sounds then snapped back like 20 minutes later completely sober and was like "WTF just happened ?" ...shit was awesome)
Heroin, and Coke have works a few times
but Mr. Angry finds that the most effective dose is Nitrous Oxide
(Used it many times, works almost all, 10 minutes, lasts for like 30 minutes after done listening...)
It different for everyone though....

Hope that's helpful...

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Thanks for the experience info

[lyndon]

swim has used i-doser on many occasions, the idea is that has to be done under the
correct conditions, using stereo headphones, that ur relaxed preferably in quite room were u aren't gonna be disturbed so u can concentrate on the binary beats.

so far swim tried - cocaine1/crystal meth1/ecstasy1/marijuana1/speed1/a_bomb1/

haven't tried enough times to actually say one way or another what effects were
since swim was high at the time can tell u that it DOES enhance the experience

swim was on phet & tried - crystal meth1/speed1/ and enhanced the phet swim experienced constant rushing/tingling afterwards more than usually would

if you Google i-doser there are plenty of cracked versions with full everlasting doses

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Good Swimmer

[booyah007]

I know there's a thread on this but it's a couple of months old, and I just wanted to share Swim's experience:
He tried this I-Doser earlier today. Swims first time was around march, but he didn't do it seriously and it kinda sucked. Today, he tried it again, and nothing happened. Tried a little bit of weed (just a pinch on his little wooden pipe), put on the headphones and in around 20 minutes... WOW. It magnified the high enormously!
Swim was always curious when people said they saw fractals: what do they look like? do they appear out of nowhere? Do they morph? Do they look really sharp? Today he saw fractals and they're pretty awesome, they didn't appear suddenly, instead they grew, as if a computer were rendering them. He couldn't tell when they started forming, only when they were starting to form. It was an awesome experience for just a little bit of mids and would do it again, definately.

[ETnik1234]

ive tried it, my friend showed up at my house drunk, put on headphones on idoser and went out and smashed windows and got himself into some big crap

[jok3r]

for those of you that don't know, IDoser is a program that replicates binaural brainwaves directly into your ear, but of course you need some good ass headphones. Many have been skeptical as to whether or not this really works. On the site, all of the responses to the question "does it really work" is yes. Other sources say it doesn't and its a waste of time. I have even found few that say some of the sounds work, and other don't.

From Marijuana to LSD to... Orgasm, you have around 50+ different types of drugs/effects you can play.

When i had the program... none of them worked, but that is only because I didn't have good headphones, and I didn't listen to the entire drug.

NOTE* you need like


anything that really fits all the way around both your ears. 1 beat will be played in the lefty and the other in the right...you might not be able to notice it but yea.

Skullcandy, or anything that is really in your earhole also works.

ANOTHER NOTE* .drg files range from 5 minutes to...50 minutes. Simple ones like Marijuana is around 30 minutes whereas Orgasm is 50.
YOU MUST LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE FILE

So for swim has only tried Marijuana2, and felt nothing like a real high, but felt like... can't really explain it.
About 15 minutes into the drg file, swim felt excessive heat on his chest. Almost like hitting your peak when you roll, but only the heat.
20 minutes into it, swim feels tingling at his fingertips.
30 minutes and the file is done. Standin was almost shocking to swim. swim felt like something was going to fall on my head.

I am going to try others... I encourage you to really take a small amount of time an experiment with this program.

I'll post more "experiences" as time passes.
THE ONLY REASON I DID THIS WAS BECAUSE I WAS HOME SICK AND REALLY....REALLY BORED.


Other shit:
Swim heard of people toking on that cannabis then trying to use Idoser. Mixing real drugs with Idoser is said to "boost" your actual high. Idk if this is really true, but soon enough someone will find out =]

So far that's all I have...

[Eisley]

SWIM's friend tried it and said it worked. SWIM plans to try it soon.

[The Dreamer]

I don't think that your friends rampage had to do with Binaural Beats as they only cause a minimal change in consciousness. Alcohol on the other hand...

[purplehaze]

Your post was moved here because the thread you started has already been discussed.

This thread should probably be merged with.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30192

[staples]

I do feel something from Centerpointe's Holosync technology which is the result of their studies on binaural beats, but I think Bill Harris is way too enthusiastic about it, he'd just about claim it cures cancer.

I've heard that they've been used strategically by musicians, but I'm not sure on that. I've been meaning to try out the open source binaural beats engine (used by gnaural) for encoding binaural beats into tracks, but I haven't tried it yet, though I've heard it's not very easy to get it as good as commercial products...

[lexifer]

Swim has tried a few of the mp3 tracks that a "company's website" had for trial (swim isn't sure if he's allowed to post the website because they sell them, if someone could let him know he'll edit and post it) through some high quality headphones he had from recording and mixing music. He found them to cause some "activity", for lack of a better word, but feels that it is talked up a bit by the retailers. Definately not a substitute for actual substance use.

Swim's two cents.

[lostmente]

I played with sBagen or something back in 2002, it was amusing but I was a tad young to apply myself to it.

This thread sparked my interest in it again, tho this time i used gnaural2

I noticed something quite amusing, i can decide what binaural beat i perceive regardless of what the output is set to. I get different sensations depending on how high or low I make the binaural beat.

My assumption is this,
when i hear a constant tone I'm entrained, and that when i hear a high tone or a low tone then my frequency is deviating from the binaural beat

[Stephenwolf]

i've heard the subaudible tones involved don't transfer into the mp3 format

Stephenwolf added 0 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

don't know the validity of that though

[The Dreamer]

Nope I have several on my ipod right now. However, you do need to use headphones as it is imperative that each of the two tones be heard exclusively in one ear each.

[staples]

Originally Posted by Stephenwolf

i've heard the subaudible tones involved don't transfer into the mp3 format

Stephenwolf added 0 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

don't know the validity of that though

From what I understand, Binaural beats impose a certain brainwave pattern by the differences in frequencies entering the ears, one of which can be below the lowest frequency that humans can normally detect. MP3 encoders usually focus on harmonic frequencies that are too high for the human ear, so I think carefully chosen, MP3 format should be just fine.

[cra$h]

swim's tried it, a couple of them like coke, heroin, peyote, marijuana, and hand of god. they're all a placebo. sat there for 45 minutes, and felt a mild headrush for 5 minutes, and then a bad headache. wast of time for swim, but others might say otherwise. what ever. try it for yourself. but it's guaranteed it's going to be nothing like the real thing.

[passer-by]

I used to use IDoser and even though I got some results, I gave up because of youthful impatience. My theory is that it works for some people and not others is because some people are natural somewhat calmer and more "meditative" than others.
I think that if you merely put focus into breathing and quieting the "monkey-mind", it might just work. Yes, practice is key. I going to give Gnaural a shot, and maybe make public the results.

By the way, PM me if you like "free" things.

[The Dreamer]

Crash, were you using headphones? I think its pretty well proven that it works. And yes passer-by meditation does help, which is true of drugs as well. At least that's what my cat tells me.

Don't expect too much from BB's but they can alter your consciousness to some degree.

[passer-by]

I tried a Dose today with pre-meditating, and during dosage. My body-temp rose noticeably and after the half-hour dose, whenever I interacted with my parents I was very pissy. My comprehension of language/communication skills were dumbed down, and a slight difference in the way my head felt was all that I got.

I was in light trance The Dreamer, so how deep-in do I have to be to actually experience what the dose description talks about? (I forget the name of the dose, but the description entailed hallucinations).

[The Dreamer]

Any unbiased commentary I've read about them says that what you got Passer-by is about all there is to get. If you're interested I would try a few and find one that works well for you. Then you can use it while you meditate or just to calm down after a stressful daily encounter or whatever.

I don't think there is any reality to the claims that the BB peddlers are making. Once I did get the faintest distortions and started laughing but I wouldn't call it a hallucination. You could get better hallucinations from holding your breath or standing up too fast. All the same its a free, easy, healthy little high that I use occasionally.

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You could, but I wouldn't recommend it. :laugh:

[RoboCodeine7610]

Swim tried just about every dose avaliable with absolutely no results.He even bough some really expensive headphones just top make sure they'd work but nothing.
Swim tried:Hand of god, peyote,opium,nitrous oxide,heroin,morphine,ecstacy abd a couple more swim doesn't remember.
They don't work! Just trust swim.

[dark12]

They had no positive results for SWIM either. SWIM tried about 5 of the different "drugs".

[cubenisdreaming27]

you cant download these for free if you have limewire or related program[citrixwire, frostwire ect.]
they dont work very good though

cubenisdreaming27 added 0 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

sorry i meant to say you CAN

[dimichaeltryptamine]

Swim uses iDoser frequently, yet doesn't know if the topic is apropriate for this forum, seeing as it's not an actual drug. Please share your thoughts on iDoser. Swim would love to hear them.