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Old 22-01-2009, 14:12
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Possible method to pass a heroin test...

smurfs going for a drug test tomorrow & used 0.1g of heroin 2 days ago & the same amount everyday before that for around a week. so smurf is stressed about failing the test & was thinking/finding ways/excuses that could work if tested positive.

smurf found some info & thought he would share. smurf will let you all know what the outcome was after all has been done tomorrow.

possible solution: smurf always suffers from sinus problems due to his years of drug abuse, smurf reguraly uses antibiotics to help his nose heal.

so the (good news) certain antibiotics contain ingredients that will cause a drug test to test positive for drugs even if the person does'nt use drugs.

here is a list of the antibiotics that one could pleed to using if you have a prescription or box with your name on to prove has the ingredients to fail the test.

naturally one should use a bit of psychology, play dumb at first when tested positive (shock horror) & come back the next day with "your new found info" of proof to why you tested positive for opiates. because you just went off a course of antibiotics. if they want to test you in a weeks time then just stay clean till then.

it's a long shot, good luck with digging out those old antibiotic boxes & the games.

ps: do'nt think you'll be so lucky with a hair sample, best bet is to cut your hair as short as possible. (please ladies do'nt do this.)

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CONTEXT: Millions of assays are performed each year to monitor for substance abuse in various settings. When common medications cross-react with frequently used testing assays, false-positive results can lead to invalid conclusions.
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OBJECTIVE: To evaluate cross-reactivity of quinolone antimicrobials in common opiate screening assays and to assess the in vivo implications of this phenomenon. DESIGN, SETTING, AND

PARTICIPANTS: The reactivity of 13 quinolones (levofloxacin, ofloxacin, pefloxacin, enoxacin, moxifloxacin (this is the one smurf has), gatifloxacin, trovafloxacin, sparfloxacin, lomefloxacin, ciprofloxacin, clinafloxacin, norfloxacin, and nalidixic acid) was tested in 5 commercial opiate screening assays from September 1998 to March 1999. In 6 healthy volunteers, we confirmed the cross-reactivity of levofloxacin or ofloxacin with these opiate screening assays.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: Opiate assay activity (threshold for positive result, 300 ng/mL of morphine).

RESULTS: Nine of the quinolones caused assay results above the threshold for a positive result in at least 1 of the assays. Four of the assay systems caused false-positive results for at least 1 quinolone. Eleven of the 13 compounds caused some opiate activity by at least 1 assay system. At least 1 compound caused opiate assay activity in all 5 assay systems. Levofloxacin, oflaxacin, and perfloxacin were most likely to lead to a false-positive opiate result. Positive results were obtained in urine from all 6 volunteers.

CONCLUSIONS: Greater attention to the cross-reactivity of quinolones with immunoassays for opiates is needed to minimize the potential for invalid test interpretation.
http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=1326

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Old 22-01-2009, 15:10
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

I doubt admitting to accidental ingestion of poppy seeds is likely to be a strong enough defense.
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Old 22-01-2009, 15:34
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

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I doubt admitting to accidental ingestion of poppy seeds is likely to be a strong enough defense.
well the plan is not to admit to taking opiates, instead blambing the antibiotics for causing a false reading. not sure what you trying to say, so would you elaborate the point you trying to make?

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Old 22-01-2009, 15:46
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ps: do'nt think you'll be so lucky with a hair sample, best bet is to cut your hair as short as possible. (please ladies do'nt do this.)
they can use hair from any part of your body, and if you go in to the testing place waxed from head to toes looking like a shiney seal they'll know whats up.
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Old 22-01-2009, 16:00
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

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they can use hair from any part of your body.
did'nt know they do that... interesting, makes sense.

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if you go in to the testing place waxed from head to toes looking like a shiney seal they'll know whats up.
i'm sure they will. unless you claim to be a cyclist or a swimmer that shaves. "you're athletic & very in to your sports" drugs are bad you know?
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Old 22-01-2009, 16:14
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

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unless you claim to be a cyclist or a swimmer that shaves.
hey doc i dont have a single strand of hair on my entire body cause i enjoy swimming and cycling, lol .
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Old 22-01-2009, 16:59
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

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hey doc i dont have a single strand of hair on my entire body cause i enjoy swimming and cycling, lol .
lol. ok, wait for it...

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Old 22-01-2009, 19:23
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

What SWIM used to do was to take the cup in hand to the urinal, arrange everything so that it appeared to be normal to the observer who was a bit behind and to one side, and proceed to urinate off to the side of the cup while concurrently working the flush handle so that water flowed down the back of the urinal and into the cup. SWIM would make sure that there was a large supply of urine available before going in. When the cup was full of water, SWIM would continue to urinate all over the sides of the cup to both warm it up a bit and to ensure that the person who grabbed it got a handfull.

Other tricks SWIM has heard of being used effectively (back in the late 1970s - the man might be hip to these now) was to tape a small ball of cotton to the underside one one's member, and just before going in to soak the ball with a few drops of bleach. When filling the cup, add the bleach which was supposed to destroy all the evidence. A tube taped to the underside and running to a bag of clean urine in one's shirt is tried and true, and there cannot be any way to test around this - SWIY'd have to get physically caught for this to backfire. The most dangerous and effective is from sport - Fill SWIY's bladder with someone else's urine via catheter. That cannot be recommended for a variety of reasons, but it is used all the time and is unbeatable.
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Old 29-01-2009, 16:12
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

some really intense messy methods there olduncle. thanx or the various options, fortunetly none were needed as the story turned out quite entertaining.
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Fill SWIY's bladder with someone else's urine via catheter.
this is really rough to picture someone doing.

so for some reason smurf passed the test. funniest part is that they phoned smurf & said he should only come in on the 29th instead of the following day. so the smurfs figured fuck yeah lets get noddy. (withdrawal was also kicking badly) so they got a couple of baggies & nodded nicely.

next morning ''hey we have a spot for your drug test please come in.'' so now stress levels are back & smurfs drinking lots of water to try flush what ever he can out. believing he has'nt got a chance now he still goes through...

urinated about 6 times before pissing in the cup ,after drinking about 3 litres of water & got the results saying negative. wow what a surprise...

so either it's shit dope smurfs were getting (although it kicked like a mule)or the water he drank to water it down worked. maybe the drug test was'nt one for testing for opiates?

the drug testing device looked like a piece of plastic with a few hair/fibres sticking out of it (like toothbrush bristles.) it had a few little window indicators on it (around 5 of them.) so it looked like quite a good one...

any ideas? naturally smurf is happy, only thing now that's popped up is a criminal record...
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Old 29-01-2009, 21:49
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

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any ideas? naturally smurf is happy, only thing now that's popped up is a criminal record...
SWIM hasn't been subject to testing for a few decades and intends to avoid it vigorously, so SWIM does not have the details regarding methods that he certainly would have if the threat of tests were over his head. That's the best thought SWIhe can generate - find out everything SWIY can about the process, the equipment, the testee's rights, the incidence of false positives and negatives, etc. Forewarned is forearmed.

SWIM does know from experience that when RR was elected and mandated testing for all US military folks, a very small number of positives for any illicit substance were evident and a much larger percentage of testees were users than were caught. That's a long time ago and it's certain that all the steps and equipment have improved. A decade later, the methadone clinic used to pop someone damn near every day, but again the percentage of dirty people to dirty tests was small. Apparently there are a lot of ways to luck out. Were SWIM subject to testing, SWIM wouldn't rely on luck.

Aside, the bladder transfer method really is the most common approach used by anabolic agent cheating athletes to get over - NFL, Olympics, UFC, Tour de France, etc. It's been in the news a time or ninety, and in the underground buzz nearly constantly. Doctors are involved frequently, and SWIM's read of a few severely botched self-administered attempts that resulted in hospitalizations and near-death experiences. It works, though.
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

How is SOLY's "friend" being tested, Blood, urine or HAIR?
Blaming Anti-b's won't work, that will just make them EXTRA SUSPECT and do a real NUMBER on SOLY's Friend!!
IF it is urine try filling a condom (thats a rubber for You "Yanks") with Urine from some-one that doesn't Use and Place it down your pants. Flop it out (You'd be surprised how "life-like" a Rubber full of Urine looks!) and pierce it with a concealed Pin/needle. It will be warm as it is stowed close to your friends body. SWIM used to use black Tea but SWIM did his Tests in Private!
"IF" it's blood then OOOOUCH! Put them off with a "Sick"{sic} (Sick;ie... ill) excuse and Clean up your act for at least a week b4 hand. (Some say 4 daze is all it takes, some say 2 weeks, take your pick! {Shrug!})
If it's Hair, get a New Job!
Good Luck to your friend!

Horser added 7 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

Oh, I just saw that you pissed it in! Ha ha!
What Ive posted is good info for anyone that may be in a similar Predicament!
BTW,........ Does any-one know how long it takes to pass a (water?) Urine test? $ or 10 DAZE? SWIM is on Morph and has occassion neecded to do a Urine Test!
SWMI failed One a few Months ago! SWIM was Out-raged!!!!! SWIM Claimed RIGHTIOUS INDIGNATION!!!!! What????? Horse in SWIMS System??? There can't BE!!!! SWIM doesn't do "HORSE"(r) Any-MORE!!!!

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Old 31-01-2009, 04:19
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

SWIM is sure it is only 4 days
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Old 31-01-2009, 05:29
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

No matter what you tell them if you bring of any valid point as to why you failed two events will follow.. they will put it thru a GCG machine and tell for a fact the structure of the substance and that would be followed by a bunch of people really really pissed off at you for lying to them and they will decide to be as harse as they possibly could be just to set an example.

Your best bet would be to say ...OPPPSs ... I have a problem can you give me help..every one has a motherly instinct but flipside every one has a mean streak so you dont want to piss off the person deciding your punishment

To ease your mind Im pretty sure heroin has a half life of 6 hours ...6 hours,... on the contrary THC half life is like a week.It has always pissed me off that a pot head can smoke and a monthlater possibly fail yet a dope fien can go in to the test just comming down and have a chance of passing...screwed up system if ya ask me but you should be ok if you stay away from it. Always give your self at lest a 3 day minimum ok
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Im sorry I just caught this
and just before going in to soak the ball with a few drops of bleach."

please no one try this at home putting Bleach near your genetals has to be on of the dumbest ideas I could imagine and unless you want your forskin to suffer chemical burns I wouldnt try this if i where you.. Plus chances are it wouldnt effect the test anyway I knew someone that use to carry a very small perfume vile with bleach in it..... He did 2 months for failing...

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Old 04-02-2009, 16:18
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

haha how bout.... just dont use before your test. like it isnt that hard. i know some one who cleaned their whole system after months of weed and pill use. They did it in like...6-11 days dont remember. just work out with a hoody on, drink water and your good

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that's stating the obvious. the thread is for alternative methods...
Weed and pill use is slightly different from heroin addiction - not even in the same league!
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Old 06-02-2009, 10:08
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

SWIM has used and was tested 3 days after on one occasion, 4 days another, and there have been others with a different amount of days each time. Anyways, what SWIM told me he did for his UAs was drink drink and drink some more. Juice, water, soda, anything but mainly water and cranberry juice. The only thing is, some places will count clear urine as positive or attempting to cover up, so be careful. All the days in between drink as much water and cranberry juice as possible. Obviously urinate so you don't OD SWIY should drink enough to the point of having to piss literally as the drink is going down SWIYs throat...that's when you know its clean. When SWIY is actually taking the test, fill the cup mid stream...by this I mean pee into the toilet a bit then towards the end of the session go for the cup. This is because the toxins will come out mostly at the beginning. The morning of, pee at least 3 times.

Oh and the night before eat MEAT and/or things that will load you up with creatine. SWIY should also do the same the day of...this will keep the urine yellow. Again, depending on the place, if its clear they'll consider it a FAIL...but SWIMs is cool about it thank god but his PO needs it to be yellow. Cranberry juice and cran pills are good at clearing out toxins so SWIY should def try n get his hands on some. There are some other things I cant name off the top of my head but go ahead and do some research. Do NOT however, waste SaWIY's $$$ on detox drinks. There re some who swear by them but SWIY can do they same if not better with several days of water and juice binging. Im being dead serious too...pounding the fluids will save you money and will probably work better. Good luck mayne!

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Yea this is what SWIM would do too common sense eh? bleach on a cotton ball indeed lol
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haha how bout.... just dont use before your test. like it isnt that hard. i know some one who cleaned their whole system after months of weed and pill use. They did it in like...6-11 days dont remember. just work out with a hoody on, drink water and your good
Pot and pills aren't addictive, you can, (as I have), use em pretty much daily for ages, then just drop off one day cos you've got no money, or are too fucking knackered..... and it's a piece of piss.

It's a different matter all together when you come to addictive substances. Heroin's taken me to the verge of killing myself several times, just because of how fucking hard it grabs hold of you. It's not a matter to be taken lightly.

EDIT: Ecstasy is not either psychologically or physically addictive. Cannabis can be habit-forming, but is not addictive. Certainly not in the same category as heroin or crack cocaine.

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Old 21-02-2009, 13:34
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

Yeah SWImickeybee, SWIM seconds that!! LOL, it is a totally different matter when it comes to heroin, like its that easy to leave alone!! swimmers should think which forum they are posting in......this ain't the space to be chattin' bout pills and pot!!
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

ya for real.... just put it down and dont do it Blah Blah Blah. check out the recovery and addiction forum for herion you dounce. if only it was that easy it wouldnt be an epidemic!!!!! on another note.... with out it swim would not be as successful as swim is.... swim works in sales and with a lil H here and there swim knocks it out of the park, with it out, not very effective. so ppl tell swim he wasting his money..... swim tells them hes making money every time he grabs a bag..... i dunno, what do u all think???
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. The most dangerous and effective is from sport - Fill SWIY's bladder with someone else's urine via catheter. That cannot be recommended for a variety of reasons, but it is used all the time and is unbeatable.
This is what the guy from the movie "Harsh Times" did only he used one of the big turkey basters
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

Swim doesn't think this has already been mentioned, but she can only speak for what she knows, which is saliva tests:

A couple of days after one takes heroin, the heroin breaks down into morphine. So if you test positive on days 0-1-2 for heroin, days 2-3-4 you may test positive for morphine, not heroin.Then days 5+ you will in all likelihood pass the test, i.e. not test positive for either heroin or morphine.

Now, if you've failed the test on days 2 or 3 after using, and it's a positive for morphine, but negative for heroin, you can try to say that you have used one of many chemist-available pain-killers to account for your positive test...depending on how high a result is given, this may or may not work.

Swim has in the past blamed co-proxamol for period pains as a cause for her positive morphine test, and got away with it.

Oh by the way, the above, is all for someone who is a continuous user, with a habit, not someone who just dabbles. Swim imagines that for someone who is just dabbling with heroin every now and again, then detection times will be a bit less.

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Old 27-07-2009, 17:04
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

Usually in the UK a positive saliva test (at swims prescribing GP) will be followed up there and then with a urine sample for testing.Then more random tests will be required. If there is no explanation for why any drugs that shouldn't be there are identified scripts have been stopped.
Swim believes that a urine test can be more specific about substances used and even the amounts. Tests are getting more sophisticated all of the time, apparently tests can now be done to identify enzymes that should be in a normal urine sample, if they're missing it's assumed the sample has been tampered with (the person drank lots of water beforehand).
Swim also thinks having an answer ready (as a back up for failing the test) can seem too contrived.
Usually the people doing the testing have heard all of the excuses before. Just be aware of this.
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

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You sir, are a nonce.

Pot and pills aren't addictive, you can, (as I have), use em pretty much daily for ages, then just drop off one day cos you've got no money, or are too fucking knackered..... and it's a piece of piss.

It's a different matter all together when you come to addictive substances. Heroin's taken me to the verge of killing myself several times, just because of how fucking hard it grabs hold of you. It's not a matter to be taken lightly.
You're a nonce.

Pills aren't addicting? Maybe not for YOU. But vicodin, Oxy, tramadol, whatever are addicting as hell if it's your poison. SWIM did vicodin and oxy for 3 months straight. Every day it was like 2 oxys and 6-10 vics. Guess what happened the first day she tried to quit? She puked 12 times in 7 hours, was shitting so bad she almost didn't make it to the toilet, was dizzy and couldn't eat. It was the worst experience of her LIFE.

She's still addicted to pills. Actually she prefers pills to heroin. But heroin she can get easier. Fucked up eh?
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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

Re. "pot and pills aren't addictive"

Swim thinks the possible reason for a misunderstanding here lies in the difference between US and UK terminology: The word "pills" in the UK is generally used in reference to ecstasy pills. Which, as we all know, are not physically addictive. "Pills" in US terminology usually refers to things like hydrocodone, oxycodone, oxymorphone, tramadol etc etc, which most certainly are physically addictive.

So please, people, don't get into an argument over semantics...

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Re: Possible way to pass a heroin test...

^^indeed, this thread is way off topic. now that the semantics have been clarified, back on topic please.

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