Extraction - Water temperture and PST

[Potter]

So nobody's been seeing a whole range of techniques used in making tea and figured it'd be a good poll.

It's been established that boiling water is bad, but there seems to be a bit of difference on using hot vs. cold water. Nobody uses nearly icy water, hoping to keep the oils and undesirable flavors out of solution. How about you?

Please post your justification below.

[samuraigecko]

There are a few reasons SWIM voted for "hot shower".

- Complete extraction of alkaloids is achieved.
- Any higher and precious alkaloids would be destroyed.
- Any lower and the extraction of alkaloids would not be complete.
- Any lower and particle expansion would not occur for "heat expansion filtration"
- After a complete extraction has been performed other extractions can follow, including cold / ice extractions. If a cold extraction was done first then this would not be achieved without having to "double extract" and end up with twice the water.

An example of this would be,
1] extraction with hot (not boiling) water
2] filtration while hot takes certain larger particles from the solution via heat expansion.
3] further filtration using cold methods to further remove even smaller particles and oils/fats can be performed such as the "ice-o-lation" technique.

SWIMs opinion.

[blueflame128]

swim always just use hot water and filter it through an old T-shirt or coffee filter

Reputation Comments on this post:

Two years and still self incriminating

[Routemaster Flash]

SWIM uses water in the neighbourhood of 70C, that way if he overshoots a bit he's got a margin of safety. He'd rather have a few extra inactive plant fats in his tea than risk losing out on yummy opiates.

[fnord]

grandma boils water then takes it off the burner and throws the pods in and lets it sit in the fridge overnight at which point its filtered and consumed. She knows that cold water is best but for some reason her instinct makes her use hot water anyway..

Can you add a hot=>cold vote?

[Potter]

Doesn't look like you can edit polls.

Nobody always assumed that if CWE worked on pills, that it was the best way to go with seed. Also it seemed a good way to keep the untasty oils from falling out of solution and contributing to nausea.

How does the taste/palletablity rate between hot and cold water?


Gecko:
What is heat expansion filtration?
Please go into point 5 a bit deeper, having trouble following you there.
You're a bloody genius on this topic, would be ever so kind as to write a TEK to end any further questions on the topic, you know you could do it. Been seeing your writings in the past few days but having a hard time connecting them all together.

Fnord: Ooohh... neat idea.

[samuraigecko]

Two TEKs have already been made, complete reading of both is required to understand it. "The Improved Guide" and the "Quick Reference Guide". It contains all of the following information and much more.

Heat makes particles expand. If a solution gently heated before filtration then particles that would normally pass through a 3-stage or high-grade filter would no longer be able to pass through. This effectively removes particles that would normally get through with regular filtration methods.

When combined with the ice-o-lation technique (using partial freezing as a reduction filter) it makes for a much superior method of filtration.

Then when combined with the paraffin defatting process which removes unwanted plant fats, flavor altering plant oils and plant waxes, makes for a far superior end result in all ways. Especially when micro filters are used in place of the normal 3-stage.

So, in summary

- warm / hot water makes for a more complete filtration, meaning more goodies.

- the combination of the 3 separate modes of filtration effectively remove almost anything that is undesirable.

- the use of a high grade physical filter during these steps is absolutely necessary for the other 3 methods to work as efficiently as they can.

All of this combined makes for the most superior filtration possible without going into chemical extraction.

Hope this has been of help Peace