Purity - whats changed since the early 90s

[midzy]

ecstasy pills were really good and cost a lot more years ago so whats changed these days? Are they different now?

[yaba]

Competition, its bad ! MDMA and similar labs are more common now.. And in swims time 10 years ago, people didn't want to pay !!

At that time people in The Netherlands were making pills with 80mg and 100mg for the Dutch marked and abroad plus they made pills with 150mg for Japan (special request as the wanted to pay)

[RaverHippie]

Most report many pills are contaminated with piperazines in england.

[Mammon]

SWIM had this discussion with his mates the other day. Everyone he knows seems to remember pills as being better in the 90's than today. However, they came to the conclusion that it must be more to do with being young and innocent than the quality of drug. The reasons being that good pills are still really strong (SWIM had one, ONE, pill the other day that blew his head off) and pure MDMA is now, strangely, easier to get than pills, so the quality of the drug cannot have gone down. So, if the drug is the same, if not better, then it must be the people who have changed.

Rose-tinted glasses – it sounds like SWIM is taking something away from how good those days were. Not at all – he just guesses that on this one innocence has one over on experience.

People have said similar things to SWIM about other drugs as well.

[HardCorePrawn]

Originally Posted by Jamal

However, they came to the conclusion that it must be more to do with being young and innocent than the quality of drug. The reasons being that good pills are still really strong (SWIM had one, ONE, pill the other day that blew his head off) and pure MDMA is now, strangely, easier to get than pills, so the quality of the drug cannot have gone down. So, if the drug is the same, if not better, then it must be the people who have changed.

Rose-tinted glasses – it sounds like SWIM is taking something away from how good those days were. Not at all – he just guesses that on this one innocence has one over on experience.

People have said similar things to SWIM about other drugs as well.

Yeah, I agree. My friend has done some pills which pale in comparison to MDMD but if my friend was younger and less experienced with pillz these would do very nice

[thealmassi1]

SWIM is too young to be pill popping in the 90s but he has noticed that most pills contain meth and based on SWIM's research, meth was not nearly as prevalent in pills as it is now. Meth lowers the prices of them, although it is much stronger than MDMA, so I'm not sure if this is the reason for the drop in quality/prices.

MDMA pills tend to be poor quality in SWIM's area and requires many to reach a decent high - SWIM needed 3 for his first time and experienced a mediocre high. Fake ecstasy (aka meth) is extremely euphoric and high quality - need only 1 or 2.

[gimphood]

SWIM see's it like this.

Fat Dave used to pay XXXX for a pill that would guarantee at least 6/7/8 hours of what it says on the tin - XTC. (1989/90/91) Quality and availabiltiy dropped in 90/91 and swim beleived this to be due to resession. One report claimed thatg the raw materials had finaly been used up (IE Saffrole/Saffrose oil that could be freel moved and bought)

Dave saw a documentary about the rise of use around 92/93 - (just after the last resession)
Manufactures worked out that if they made the Jills with a shorter effect life span, more pills would be bought. That was when they retailed for around £15

Subsequently this has led to newer generations (who experiment in MDMA ) only knowing pills that last for 2 hours. - in turn this has led to shit lke BZP / TFMPP being subsituted for the real macoy.

Thats fat daves view from the UK

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watch price discussion as this isn't allowed on DF

[midzy]

so really the good old days have well gone. These days its like play rouelette.

[Sib]

The governments of Europe banned one of the ingredients for making MDMA the same stuff that is used in the development of photographs so any pills in the last 15 years are nothing like the good pills years ago.

[FrAnCioS-]

Originally Posted by midzy

ecstasy pills were really good and cost a lot more years ago so whats changed these days? Are they different now?

Yes they all contain piperazine!!!


Swim has been hunting around for Good Mdma only pills for months now but has had little to no luck swim got some mind blowing pink double cherries a couple months ago swim had a real good connection for years but that connection is now no where to be seen. Swim is still on the hunt for Good MDMA pills Swim hopes to find some soon and fast!


-FrAnCioS

[Mammon]

Where SWIM is crystal MDMA is easier to get than pills. SWIM actually quite likes the way when he buys a pill there's some uncertainty about it's effects (he's never had any bad effects). Pure MDMA is always the same. Pills are so fucking cheap as well, who cares if you've got to buy a few of them?

[gimphood]

Until SWIM has a bad effect.

[Mammon]

Sure. What bad effects has SWIY had from pills? What can go wrong?

[gimphood]

Plenty many years ago but such as amnesia for 5/4 hours at raves, sickness, SWIM not beaing able to recall what happened at events, amphetimine effects rather than XTC, severe hallucinations tht lasted SWIM for 8 hours and recently, SWIM discovered what BZP / TFMPP is by necking what he thought was an "E" that had a pretty logo on it. 1 hour of OK buzz, great come up but the shittiest most awful headache the nex day for SWIM and his friends. Rubbish, but if thats the risk SWIY doesn mind taking then thats cool.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by Jamal

Sure. What bad effects has SWIY had from pills? What can go wrong?

Say that when SWIY takes a high dose of what they think is an MDMA pill only to find out later (if they are lucky) that it is PMA (para-methoxy-amphetamine). Pills are notoriously adulterated in places like the US and this rapidly becoming the case with pills in the UK/Europe also. Sadly, Piperazine based pills are extremely abundant now.

[Mammon]

Jesus. SWIM didn't know pills were getting that fucked up.

Rubbish, but if thats the risk SWIY doesn mind taking then thats cool.

The truth is SWIM didn't know those were the risks. He guesses he'll just have to be more careful.

Thanks for the tip-off, anyway.

[gimphood]

SWIM is glad but very suprised the SWIY didnt know the risks involved.
SWIM can only guess that SWIY is relatively new to the scene (?), and dont let SWIY take that in a patronising way.. Its not meant to be,

SWIM is just glad that SWIY can learn (like others all do) from sharing info in these important forums.

SWIY should just stay vigilant when necking anything.

Peace

[Alfa]

A mouse told FUBAR that it has to do with Isomers. i.e. D-MDMA, L-MDMA or racemic MDMA.
There are certain mass production techniques, where it takes more time to make euphoric MDMA, instead of stimulating MDMA. With this technique time means a lot more risk, because the equipment involved is extremely hard to get access to.

[Mammon]

Nah, SWIM has been on the beans since the 90's (once a month - not like a hardcore raver or something), it's just no-one he knows, and there's quite a few of them including dealers, have ever had anything like the problems you're talking about. He's seen people be sick on them, but that's usually because they were so drunk beforehand.

He also accepts that he knows absolutely fuck all about the chemistry of them, though.

severe hallucinations that lasted SWIM for 8 hours

Err, SWIM would have a word with his dealer if he sold him something like that.

[gimphood]

FYI - (and please SWIM's not patronising here) In the days of the last the global resession, around 1990/1991, the pills went from a certain price and quality (SWIM cant talk exact on forum) to a lower form of crap. In the early rave days, SWIM didnt have a dealer that would deliver or even be local. SWIM raved in dirty warehouses, fields, and traveller parties... Dave dealer came and went. SWIM got what they were given. SWIM didnt have a all bad time but certainly varied on some occasions.
The thing for SWIY to rememeber is that now everything is more widely available, making it more open to abuse by top of the chain dealer / manufactureres. SWIM would have thought that quality would have improved due to increased competition but no, greed takes over in the drug world as ususal.

Thats the risk SWIY takes when necking a logo'd pill with a catchy name..

Would SWIY rememeber White Splitters, Californian Sunrises, Rhubarbs, Doves etc??

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by gimphood

SWIM would have thought that quality would have improved due to increased competition but no, greed takes over in the drug world as ususal.

This is why drugs being illegal is so much more dangerous than them being legal. If they were legal you could sue. You never buy a pastie from wallmart and then find out later that its actually a bread loaf that looks like a pastie because wallmart wants to save some money. Legalizing would ensure you always get what you pay for, and would be a hell of a lot safer.

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	good analogy here
	Excellent point. With the legalization of drugs the quality would HAVE to improve. The bread loaf = pastie thing was pre...

[humdroid]

Y had crystal pure mdma about five years ago, and it was the dogs bollocks.

[midzy]

so would swim be right in thinking that if somebody made a batch of pills that were the same as they were years ago, and they cost £xx per pill like the good old days they would sell like hot cakes even though they would be much more expensive then todays pills. Now I know people would make fakes but would'nt it still be worth it.

[Routemaster Flash]

"What's changed since the early 90s?"

Your serotonin receptors.

SWIM can't say, because SWIM was aged 9-14 in the early '90s (and wasn't pilling at that age, suffice to say!) but there were some amazing pills around in London a few years ago. SWIM is certain they were the real McCoy as the effects were the same as pure MDMA crystal (maybe a small speed taint sometimes, but SWIM quite likes that). But lately there's just been those 'white diamond' jobbies that are probably some kind of piperazine...best avoided.

[Synesthesiac]

You will always beable to tell pure MDMA pills as they will be about half the size of 'normal' pills. They look like tiny pellets. And if it is really pure MDMA (like 98-99% pure) it should be perfectally transparent. But 99% pure MDMA is pretty much unheard of as its a very difficult synthesis. Most MDMA is 90-95% purity. Maybe over time people have taken more shortcuts in the synth, but I would expect the opposite to be true as techniques improve. Hard to say. I have seen nearly transparent mdma crystals before and they were absolutely amazing, my friends tell me. Of course I never touched them as that would be illegal.