Effects - Speed just calms him down.why?

[Shr00merized]

Swim have used speed at least 100 times but it always calms him down.he has never have problem with sleeping after many heavy lines .infact swim had some sleeping trouble for some time now, and then he got about 1.2g of a freind.he has now used it all over 4 days.and sleeped like a child all nights.he goes to sleep about 10.00 at night and waking up 6 in the morning to go to work..He normaly cant sleep before 3 at night and often get to late for work.so speed has really helped me not loosing my jobb.he is not using speed much but are surprised that speed helped him better then zopiclon sleeping pills he got from the doc...Why is it like that?

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Shit.i wrote somethingwhy wrong.it is not me that can lose the job it is swim.why cant we edit our post?

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He is not diagonosed adhd.he have been to diffrent docters and on say he have and another says he dont.i think it is becouse he am not hyperactiv on the outside.but on the inside he am very hyper.if that make any sense?all the other test was posetive that he have adhd.Beside he is hyperactive.but like i said i have never been real stimulated when using speed.

[riaahacker]

It really depends on the person, some people have paradoxical reactions to certain drugs, swim included found focalin put him to sleep instead of waking him up and amphetamine he finds very calming (for the first 2 hours, then he get really anxious but he thinks its because of gad). swim has also read that dopamine in some parts of the brain can be inhibitory and produce a calming effect, perhaps swiy does not have enough dopamine in those areas of the brain

[Shr00merized]

Is the same for swim in the part that you say swiy is very calm like 2 hours, and then it is not enjoyble any more for swim before he redose.swim is get very irettaded(sorry my spelling,i mean angry in some sort) after a little while if not redose.

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I think irretable is the word?he is angry to everything ,like if he hear the dog scratches himself.is that also normal for the people that get the speedy effects to?

[Coconut]

Originally Posted by Shr00merized

Swim have used speed at least 100 times but it always calms him down.he has never have problem with sleeping after many heavy lines .infact swim had some sleeping trouble for some time now, and then he got about 1.2g of a freind.he has now used it all over 4 days.and sleeped like a child all nights.he goes to sleep about 10.00 at night and waking up 6 in the morning to go to work..He normaly cant sleep before 3 at night and often get to late for work.so speed has really helped me not loosing my jobb.he is not using speed much but are surprised that speed helped him better then zopiclon sleeping pills he got from the doc...Why is it like that?

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Shit.i wrote somethingwhy wrong.it is not me that can lose the job it is swim.why cant we edit our post?

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He is not diagonosed adhd.he have been to diffrent docters and on say he have and another says he dont.i think it is becouse he am not hyperactiv on the outside.but on the inside he am very hyper.if that make any sense?all the other test was posetive that he have adhd.Beside he is hyperactive.but like i said i have never been real stimulated when using speed.

On mentally or physically hyperactive people amphetamine does have a calming effect. This is the reason why it helps people with ADHD focus.

It sounds to me as though SWIY becomes irritated after two hours as a result of the comedown, which is normal for amphetamine use.

[BlondieUK]

Hmm..

Swim is interested in this thread and thinks there is a little more to it than whether the person has ADD/ADHD or not.. here is swim's reason.

Type/Effects/Method:
Swim used to use speed in the UK, it usually had a strong chemical smell, was quite squidgy and would have to be dried and cut before it could be snorted.. the effect of say, 200mg, would be very excited, talking very fast, etc etc. Usual effects of speed.
Too much:
If swim overdid it though, he would get extremely scared, paranoid, basic kind of panic attack situation.. swim would have to do alot for this to happen, and there would be other factors, but nonetheless..
Comedown:
Swim never noticed any kind of comedown, when the speed wore off he felt fine, this meant swim could do as much as he wanted and not worry about running out.. whether that's a good thing or not is another subject.

Now, Swim has recently spent a few months in Finland, and along with being alot more expensive, its effects are quite different.


Type/Effects/Method:
Now the speed here seems to either come in a very hard "rock", which needs to be broken down and cut for insufflation, or it comes as near to powder as possible.. no "putty" here!
Asside from insuflation, due to both the price (think up to 5x what you would pay in the UK.. yes, really!) and the fact that you can by needles and syringes in the local pharmacy's (very, very cheap.. a pack of 3 needles and 3 syringes is the price of a cheeseburger, and you can buy a pack of 5 needles for the price of a mars bar.. ) Swim started shooting his speed.
Now after a bit of a learning curve (different sized syringes, finding the best place to shoot, method, etc) swim became fairly efficient at this, so..

Swim found that the speed here has less of a "buzz" and "excitement" vibe, but more or a rush followed by a period of feeling very good, content, and also quite relaxed (as the OP noticed)..

Too Much:
There is no paranoia or fear, no matter how much swim does at any one time.

Comedown:
There is a crash, a strong one at that, and no matter how much swim does after the initial hit, he doesn't seem to find that first kind of euphoric space, although the feeling of being relaxed etc is ever present.

Swim attributes the difference to dopamine; moreover, that the speed from Finland seems to react with his dopamine inhibitors (the "reward" part of the brain.. or something) alot more than anything else, so he constantly feels like he's eaten a bar of chocolate, had sex and taken a good shit simultaneously.. not bad.

The UK speed he was used to seems not to react in the same way whatsoever, but is more like.. well, speed.

So..

Any thoughts on different types of amphetamine being available? Or different cuts?

I may post this as a seperate topic.. but unless I do, please respond here because I'm quite interested. Thankyou!

[riaahacker]

well swim knows in the UK, speed means amphetamine sulfate, but usually in the US its usually referring to methamphetamine. Amphetamine releases more norepinephrine than methamphetamine does which can make it feel "speedier" and energetic. Methamphetamine is also more effective at releasing dopamine and serotonin than amphetamine is which usually makes a very warm and calm high, but drains these neurotransmitters more and causes a pretty bad comedown.

[Shr00merized]

swim have never get any special euphoria from speed.just calm and little well beeing.swim get very nice euphoria from kratom just to compare.
and off course mdma,could mdma compare to any other substances when it comes to euphoria(it is intense,almost to much for swim)?
where swim live there are no methamphetamine,only amphetamine sulfate and he lives very close to finland(neighbors to be exactly).so he belives they have the same sources.

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swim didn`t know amphetamine sulfate should give any euphoria at all?

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the only good feeling swim gets from speed is his hairs freezing.

[BlondieUK]

Swim believes it depends on the quality of the amphetamines and what it has been cut with.

Earlier today Swim decided to indulge in a small shot, IV'd it nicely and spent around 45 minutes enjoying the rush with his eyes shut, listening to music and feeling a little trippy, then he got up and started doing a little studying.

Many users on here will agree that good quality amphetamines can give a suprisingly high level of euphoria depending on tolerance/amount taken/quality etc.

[psychoshaman]

Originally Posted by BlondieUK

Hmm..

Swim is interested in this thread and thinks there is a little more to it than whether the person has ADD/ADHD or not.. here is swim's reason.

Type/Effects/Method:
Swim used to use speed in the UK, it usually had a strong chemical smell, was quite squidgy and would have to be dried and cut before it could be snorted.. the effect of say, 200mg, would be very excited, talking very fast, etc etc. Usual effects of speed.
Too much:
If swim overdid it though, he would get extremely scared, paranoid, basic kind of panic attack situation.. swim would have to do alot for this to happen, and there would be other factors, but nonetheless..
Comedown:
Swim never noticed any kind of comedown, when the speed wore off he felt fine, this meant swim could do as much as he wanted and not worry about running out.. whether that's a good thing or not is another subject.

Now, Swim has recently spent a few months in Finland, and along with being alot more expensive, its effects are quite different.


Type/Effects/Method:
Now the speed here seems to either come in a very hard "rock", which needs to be broken down and cut for insufflation, or it comes as near to powder as possible.. no "putty" here!
Asside from insuflation, due to both the price (think up to 5x what you would pay in the UK.. yes, really!) and the fact that you can by needles and syringes in the local pharmacy's (very, very cheap.. a pack of 3 needles and 3 syringes is the price of a cheeseburger, and you can buy a pack of 5 needles for the price of a mars bar.. ) Swim started shooting his speed.
Now after a bit of a learning curve (different sized syringes, finding the best place to shoot, method, etc) swim became fairly efficient at this, so..

Swim found that the speed here has less of a "buzz" and "excitement" vibe, but more or a rush followed by a period of feeling very good, content, and also quite relaxed (as the OP noticed)..

Too Much:
There is no paranoia or fear, no matter how much swim does at any one time.

Comedown:
There is a crash, a strong one at that, and no matter how much swim does after the initial hit, he doesn't seem to find that first kind of euphoric space, although the feeling of being relaxed etc is ever present.

Swim attributes the difference to dopamine; moreover, that the speed from Finland seems to react with his dopamine inhibitors (the "reward" part of the brain.. or something) alot more than anything else, so he constantly feels like he's eaten a bar of chocolate, had sex and taken a good shit simultaneously.. not bad.

The UK speed he was used to seems not to react in the same way whatsoever, but is more like.. well, speed.

So..

Any thoughts on different types of amphetamine being available? Or different cuts?

I may post this as a seperate topic.. but unless I do, please respond here because I'm quite interested. Thankyou!

my pet iguana has also thought alot/experienenced the very same thing, and has come up with a few theories, some i must say do not fit the laws of basic physics and chemistry. The one of late and that sounds feasible would be methinks that the "amphetamine" one gets is not strictly amphet. but are various analogs (methcathinone, 4methylaminorex the d and the l blah, blah, blah) around here when you go to get "rock" as you did yesterday you get paste or someones got meth that stinks(choose a flavour) wet, dry powder, yellow, white, stuff that looks like honey, or peanut butter... no consistancy all different (and i've had some strange ones) or maybe that it's half reacted crap cooked up by a sloppy wannabe cook or could it be the cut? i could go on and on, but byea i think it could be the designer drug thingo and there is a lot of variations as to what is amphet stictly speaking... sorry 'bout the rave...

i'm gonna go get on

[BlondieUK]

Whoop!

I'm aware that there is already a thread dedicated to Amphetamine information, but we could possibly create a thread which is a basic FAQ etc?

Because there are alot of questions that people still don't seem to know, and alot of questions being repeated, and I'm sure that you, various others and myself could contribute quite alot? Would be good to have a discussion on various theories etc aswell..

[psychoshaman]

Originally Posted by BlondieUK

Whoop!

I'm aware that there is already a thread dedicated to Amphetamine information, but we could possibly create a thread which is a basic FAQ etc?

Because there are alot of questions that people still don't seem to know, and alot of questions being repeated, and I'm sure that you, various others and myself could contribute quite alot? Would be good to have a discussion on various theories etc aswell..

bloody oath

[Shr00merized]

swim is taking ssri(cipralex\eclecsopam)can that have somthing to do with it?

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meant escitalopram

[riaahacker]

Well from swim's understanding of amphetamine pharmacology at high doses amphetamine causes the release of serotonin in certain areas of the brain modulating the release of glutamate an excitatory neurotransmitter which is responsible for the psychomotor agitation that amphetamine can give someone especially at high doses. Swim's theory is that the ssri blocks amphetamine induced serotonin release which stops the energy given at high doses. It can also be that SSRI's tend to negatively impact dopamine transmission meaning you might need a higher dose. Pharmacology is fun