Using Psychedelics to prevent brainwashing/mind control.

[Euthanatos93420]

So some time ago Swim was inducted into the Conspiracy theory, alternative history, aliens, nwo, etc. movement by an individual who presented him with material and opened his mind to an extensive set of possibilities. It was such a rationale and intelligent presentation (Despite the guy being paranoid schizophrenic, really) that Swim began doing quite a bit of his own research into the matter. The matter of a 1984 type NWO hypothetical, MK ULTRA mind control and their using drugs to achieve it, and the theory that they can use cell phones & bluetooth to hack into your brain and control you concerned Swim. Then he found this lecture which talks about how cell phone level EM wavelengths can mimic drug experiences(Point made towards the end, very informative lecture on drugs and the mind as well):

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=6391&page=1

It got Swim to thinking about some of his drug experiences. One of his most powerful trip included being visited (mentally, he was fully cognisant and had no OEVs) by 'others' who packed massive amounts of information into his brain. He was wrestling with wether or not this was a 'divine' message (good), mind control (evil), or just him talking to his 'higher self'.

Then he read Jeremy Vanaei's I know why the Aliens don't land in which Jeremy explains that whatever the 'others' are they cannot be fully cognitized because they violate the laws of the ego that we have constructed. That religion, astrology, politics, philosophy, etc. are all forms of ego traps. While not untrue, when an individual gets distracted by whatever has led him to a higher place on the spiritual ladder as authoritative they become subjected to a trap of the ego which tries to rationlize all experiences into a coherent Ordo ab Chao if you will (Order out of Chaos).

In that powerful trip it occured to him....maybe the reason he has sought these altered states of mind is just for 'practice' so that when they use EM on him he will have practice discerning reality from the drug/artaficial trip. It has further occured to him in his occult studies that regardless of belief, paradigm, practice, philosophy, etc. what it all comes down to is decision and that despite all programming from the world around us we invariable still have choice and decision which no amount of mind control can take from us.

This documentary talks about Kleptomania and the issue of impulse control. In it they compare the CAT scan of a Kleptomaniac (with no history of drug use) and compare it to the CAT scan of a coke addict showing that 'brain damage' observed was rather atrophication of part of the frontal lobe from the lack of a using contemplative rationale to make decisions. Where they were not concerned with if their next hit/steal should be done at all but how to go about doing it. Unfortunately I cannot find an online version or even a place this video can be obtained. I saw it on discovery health one time. if you have digital cable/satellite you can search for it and see if they are still running it. I'm keeping an eye out for it myself. I want this documentary and if I can I'll be adding it to the archives if I can ever get my hands on it and get it uploaded.

By using psychedelics to achieve low level altered states of mind one considers where the 'messages' are coming from. By contemplating this, during and post-trip, without fear. One teaches oneself to be more aware in altered states of mind so that if/when they attempt to hack into your brain with cell phone signals the only thing they can do is create an altered state of mind and possible transmit the illusion of certain thoughts via other means. Like radio, where dissimilar metal corrosion from two different types of metal in the head act as a transistor to amplify signals recieved by one of the pieces of metal acting as a radio antennae. Yeah...it's an Urban Legend, but the concept is the point, impersonation of true psychedelic messages by some means.

How do you know you're in control of you and that you are not acting on programming by something/someone else? I think the fact that MKULTRA dismissed LSD as a candidate for mind control and went straight away to start a mass campaign against the substance says a lot. It does to me at least.

Incidentally, Psychdelics have also revealed to him the truths about the conspiracy theories althugh he doesn't usually discuss them because most people in the field wouldn't believe that an abusive, power hungry institution such as the Illuminati could have the best interest of mankind at heart.

[Expat98]

Hacking into and controlling your brain with cell phone signals? The greatest scientists in the world are nowhere near the capability to do that.

But this idea is an interesting one:

By using psychedelics to achieve low level altered states of mind one considers where the 'messages' are coming from.

It seems that you are suggesting the possibility of low doses of psychedelics as a sort of meditative aid. That could be a very powerful tool, but probably not something that most people should attempt.

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by Expat98

Hacking into and controlling your brain with cell phone signals? The greatest scientists in the world are nowhere near the capability to do that.

That you know of. Sure I'm just paranoid but I reason they have some functioning technology well above our current state and considering the studies done referenced in that lecture It's not inconceivable. The man successfully induced an altered states of consciousness with low level electrical signals. If those states are replicated in an individual unprepared for it then the person in that state can be taken advantage of. He explicitly states that Cell Phones use the exact same power levels as he did. It's not that far fetched to consider using them for this purpose.

But this idea is an interesting one:

It seems that you are suggesting the possibility of low doses of psychedelics as a sort of meditative aid. That could be a very powerful tool, but probably not something that most people should attempt.

Yes and no. What I'm talking about here is much more specific. Being familiar with and understanding the nature of altered states of mind, namely psychedelic where the consciousness is more impressionable than normal, means that when it is induced against the will tha tone may have the ability to function coherently and with posture against unwanted influence by hose who would take advantage.

Even moreso, the way they teach one to be critical of ones judgment so too do they prevent the coercion of such under hypnotic influences by those such as Charles Manson, Jim Jones, the CIA, etc.

[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Interesting lecture and topic.

Originally Posted by Euthanatos93420

Being familiar with and understanding the nature of altered states of mind, namely psychedelic where the consciousness is more impressionable than normal, means that when it is induced against the will tha tone may have the ability to function coherently and with posture against unwanted influence by those who would take advantage.

Indeed- since swim's experiences with psychedelics began hes feels that he is more perceptive of people's motives either when he observes them or when they are in direct contact with him. This is not paranoia- swim feels that he can interpret "good" underlying feelings/concepts in social scenarios as well as bad or neutral. Essentially what swim believes has been "enhanced" is his perception of the nature of influences.

Not only does experience with psychedelics "protect" or "prepare" you against coercion/influences, but it also, in swim's experience, enables you to think for yourself further. Swim's second experience with LSD exemplifies this: I won't go into details because i will be too off topic but essentially swim was getting anxious and scared and even more so at the prospect of having a bad trip. Swim asked himself, what am i really afraid of? and he listed the possible negative consequences of a bad trip, such as pain, horrible mental stress and so on. Swim then asked himself, why am i afraid of these things? And then swim realised that he was not afraid out of choice, but because he had been taught to fear these things, either through society or instinct or both, it did not matter, what mattered was that swim had not chosen to have these beliefs. And so swim simply chose not to be afraid, not to care at the prospect of impending pain and the anxiety subsided and he just felt really interested and fascinated.

I agree entirely that psychedelics could prevent brainwashing/mind control, both from unlikely sources such as mobile phones and from the very real methods which affect us all: social influences. They can help you choose who you want to be.

[Phungushead]

Very interesting, as SWIM was also introduced to conspiracy theories by an old friend (roommates for about 5 years)... this guy was totally obsessed - would ramble on and on, you actually mentioned some of the things he'd go off about. Used to drive SWIM absolutely nuts.

Anyway though, this brings to mind an interesting acid trip SWIM had years back... started out normal - happy, zoning out to music, and watching the popcorn ceiling swirl, when SWIM went into "that mode of thinking". SWIM calls it the "let's not go there" thought process.

It consisted of someone/thing other than SWIM (or maybe a hidden part of SWIM) sending very clear messages that "they" can basically make you do whatever "they" want... make you fight, make you kill, whatever. But "they" can only affect you if you let them... if you believe they can. You can block them out with your mind. You can only be controlled if you allow yourself to be.

SWIM always assumed "they" referred to aliens/alien mind control, as this was one of the conspiracist friend's favorite topics...

Food for thought

[cra$h]

As evil as it seems, when swim's on psychedelics with friends, he'll dig deep into their mind, and rock their world. people trip, then there's a trip with swim, where your mind is twisted into what you thought was the impossible. This leaves people weak and defenseless, and swim having the answers leads the co-trippers left with, only swim. Mind control. Now they follow, they'll listen, and react just as intended. It's a sick process, but those influenced don't see it that way.

What I'm trying to get at is that psychedelics don't stop mind control, they can induce it. Conspiriacies make sense, no matter how abscure, and what is truth is lost, for there's missing pieces one has made to complete the puzzle, and we don't know if it's right or wrong. Interesting topic though.

[Euthanatos93420]

Thank you all for your genuine replies. I wasn't sure if my writings would be coherent enough to achieve a serious response. I appreciate you all considering these things with at least a token of hypothetical seriousness.

Swim was taught to believe in a Good/Evil duality of the world and after much study has realize there are only two forces trying to control his mind.

Himself & other people.

Any paradigm confronting him with the threat of an 'evil' force if he doesn't listen to the behest of another is completely bullshit. A truly 'Loving God' would never coerce the mind. By this rationale he discerns all parties manipulated by the chain and the parties doing the manipulating from the bottom.

@Cra$h - You're argument makes sense but it's not entirely valid. Mostly becuase your friends trust you and just because you took advantage of that trust doesn't mean that psychedelics cannot strengthen the will against mind control. Only that it weakens the barrier for mind control from those whom the tripper trusts. There is a current understanding in hypnosis that one cannot be induced to do something that one would not normally do under a trance. While this may be true the susceptibility to persuasion under this state increases dramatically anyways because many steps are removed toward persuasion. Thus only the most extreme suggestions are prevented.

Where solid reality breaks down and purely mental forces are perceived the difference between one's own decision and the influence of 'outside forces' (Friends, aliens, strangers, preachers, etc.) can be more clearly discerned.

During the trip one's visuals may be more susceptible to alteration by suggestion but despite perception one's choice always remains exactly that. Fear and other emotions push for 'REaction' where a mind that has been subjected to the most dramatic forces of mental influence (Psychedelics) and learned to withstand them becomes stronger, both sober and tripping.

So while I still stand by my argument, I don't disagree with you entirely Cra$h. Merely show that once the barrier of fear/emotion that' JOE describes has been broken down (THE WALL - EGO) one becomes more in tune with teh true self and learns to hear the true voice of the self and can achieve a higher logic than the programmings of a cultural Dogma.

[HorseBucket]

Interesting shit. Thanks for the link. Swim only read as far as that first link but this is a pretty fuckin interesting thread. Swim likes the idea of bluetooth mind control. If bluetooth protocol can be used to influence the mind it can most likely be used to induce altered states of consciousness. Imagine that a wireless drug machine that gets everyone who comes near it stoned. Swim has long dreamt about inventing such a device. He thinks he's gonna do it some day.

EDIT: That lecture ended the about 5 minutes after he got into EM waves though. Is there more to it?

HorseBucket added 12 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Expat98

Hacking into and controlling your brain with cell phone signals? The greatest scientists in the world are nowhere near the capability to do that.

Thats a bold statement. What makes you so sure? Do you think that people had any idea that a scientist had developed a method of transmitting electricity wirelessly when people still lit their houses with candles?

Not long after Nikola Tesla developed AC generators he started developing a system to broadcast and receive electricity wireless. I bet loads of people wouldn't even believe wireless electricity is possible to this day if you brought it up. The fact of the matter is they will only release this technology in the next 20 years but it has existed for over 50 years. Don't be fooled into thinking that scientists let the average man in on every one of his discoveries when he makes them. Lots of people think that Edison was the biggest contributor to the science of electricity.

HorseBucket added 5 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Euthanatos93420

Incidentally, Psychdelics have also revealed to him the truths about the conspiracy theories althugh he doesn't usually discuss them because most people in the field wouldn't believe that an abusive, power hungry institution such as the Illuminati could have the best interest of mankind at heart.

Loads of people who do Ayahuasca come to the same conclusion. They claim that these so called "evil" illuminati are actually the biggest heroes of mankind because they're acting as a catalyst for change and the are provoking mankind to take responsibility for their current situation and strive towards change for the better.

Its a very simple principle. A kick in the ass at the right time to get you moving in the right direction.

[Euthanatos93420]

Bingo, can you blame them for taking advantage of the people weak enough to fold to their bullshit? IMHO people that weak and stupid deserve what they get because unless people learn to stand up for themselves all the soldiers in the world can't protect them from losing the freedoms they think are their 'rights'. Rights are only given to those who demand them. Those who will sell their rights for false security won't have a hard time finding a buyer.

I just hope people start realizing the threat of 1984 is immanent enough to start doing something about it. Like establishing their own sovereign currency, you don't need an institution to do it, you are the government if you control your own mind because the root derivatives of the word translate literally Govern=Control mente=Mind; To control the mind; Government=Mind Control.

As the Summum say, "Hidden in plain sight." The only esoteric secrets are those we occult from ourselves. It's all to easy to see the shit going on. People have 'bad trips' when they can't let go of their own fears and accept that their boogeymen are merely within their own mind. The only thing to fear is fear itself. The same wisdom given to bhuddist monks who meditate for lifetimes in isolated temples are given in moments to the Aghori (Fearless) Psychonaut.

[motherlove1973]

Crash, I agree with you, Who knows where the possibilities end when it comes to the human mind. I totally believe that where mk-ultra/ monarch studies is concerned, that we have not been told the whole story of what they are able to do to our minds.