Effects - Using without a sitter for the 1st time

[aroidgrower]

SWIM would like to try salvia for the first time but doesn't have a sitter.

Is this a good idea or a terrible one?

[Punchme]

I won't say yes or no, I'm just going to tell you what a sitter is for.

Salvia's effects are (depending on the potency) among others, lack or coordination, just like alcohol, you cannot walk on a straight line, or move your body normally, another one is that it makes some people run, as if they were running away from something.

Because of those two effects, is why a sitter is needed. Now, if you choose a closed place, without any furniture which you could trip on, just soft stuff (bed, pillows, couch, etc) it may be possible that swiy could do it. Just make sure swiy put the burning leftover on a safe place.

But I don't take responsibility, just clarifying you what a sitter is for.

If you still doubt, look around this forum, there are a lot of good tips for newbies.

Hope I've helped you.

Peace and love

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Explains straightly the role of a sitter in a salvia trip. Good post.

[PsychoActivist]

SWIPA would highly recommend that if at all possible SWIY waits until a sitter is available. The main reason is that it is SWIY first time. One should always have someone with them the first time they do any drug as every individual reacts differently and no one can say for sure how they will react from a drug they've never tried.

Salvia is very powerful. It can sweep one right out of reality. During this time one may travel to another dimension with their mind while their body is still active. Though one's mind may be in another world their body is still in reality which means they may be making body motions in accordinance with what they see during their trip and it may appear safe in the world the mind is in but could be extremely dangerous in reality. SWIPA just read a Salvia trip report in a book he's reading where a guy "came to" beating his head into the ground. Luckily he was in his lawn so it was just grass and dirt. Imagine if it had been concrete.

Not everyone gets as intense effects like the one I just described, but as I said earlier, one just does not know how they will react until they have done the drug.

For SWIY's safety please just try to hold off until he has a friend around. SWIPA knows it's hard to be patient especially when one is excited about trying something new but it is certainly worth it if it saves one from potentially harming themselves.

Please be careful.

[Benga]

same as PsychoActivist. swim has seen a 50 year old friend smoke salvia divinorum for the first time, freeze in a very strange facial expression and then getting up and starting to thrash and stumble around the room with a blank look in his eyes, and not saying a word, and hardly breathing ( kind of stayed in this inhale mode from the last bong hit)

what happened was that he thought he had been tricked / played a joke (pretty common feeling with Salvia), which kind of mutated into a feeling that he was dying, about to die. he felt he was pretty much fighting for life or something similar.
this could have been very dangerous, in swim's opinion there is a threshold where salvia definetly implies a sitter.

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[aroidgrower]

Thank you punchme, psychoactivist, and benga for the advice.

SWIM will just have to wait for the right time and place with a sitter for his first time.

[TommyRowe]

To OP

When SWIM first used salvia, he had a sitter but it didnt make much of a difference. SWIM still had a VERY bad trip. SWIM would not recommend doing it alone. And whats the point? Its a much better experience with people there and who would laugh at SWIY when he is doing all the goofy shit he does on salvia.

[Psyguy]

SWIM desperately wants to know how he can find Salvia in South Africa because he is not going to fly overseas to hit a bong.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Psyguy

SWIM desperately wants to know how he can find Salvia in South Africa because he is not going to fly overseas to hit a bong.

sorry, source discussions are against the rules. it would have to be from an ethnobotanical vendor, no need to fly overseas, the salvia divinorum should fly to swiyou.

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[polidelaiko]

Originally Posted by TommyRowe

Its a much better experience with people there and who would laugh at SWIY when he is doing all the goofy shit he does on salvia.

Why I consider it's wise you have someone present when doing high doses of salvia, SWIM would HATE people laughing while he's trying to travel to other dimensions. That just adds to the irritability and paranoia.

[Potter]

At the very least, the sitter is there to take care of the pipe and fire. Salvia hits so fast that the user can forget what is in their hands, waking up to find burn holes in clothes and skin. The sitter should make sure the pipe removed to a safe place when the tripp starts.

Nobody has seen quite a few people attempt to get up and walk around on Salvia, with pisspoor muscle coordination, this can be rather bad. Usually restraint is not needed, gentle hands and firm voice "sit down, you don't need to get up", is all that is necessary. Just to be sure, put away the breakables, clear a space on the floor with blankets and pillows, don't be sitting in a chair for this.

Go over procedeures with your sitter, make sure they understand what you are doing is serious and it is not time to act like so many people on YouTube. They need to be respectful, quiet, and not trying to fuck with you. If the person can not agree to sit silently for 15 minutes, find someone else.

Don't forget, little to no lights, minimal noise, safe, soft space, and a trusted friend.

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good advice

[Readux]

Salvia is one of those drugs that needs a sitter at all times. It hits SWIM so fast that he can't coordinate anything, and having a bong and lighter in his hands doesn't help. People have known to have horrible trips and if that happened, a sitter is absolutely needed. If SWIY is really experienced with salvia, swim would suggest trying 5x only.

[leadcoffin]

The priestess did NOT use a sitter, though later when she told me about it, we both agreed that probably this was not the best idea as it leads to TOTAL FREAKOUT. She had all these crazy ideas about what a bad person she was for doing salvia and what her family would think about these things (although everyone in her family knows about her drug use -- she is a priestess after all). Sitter definitely recommended.

[calimar]

SWIM has only tried salvia once, and it was without a sitter. SWIM thought it was a calculated risk however (he even tied shut his window and hid all sharp objects), he also took a quite small dose, something like 1/20th of a gram of 10x extract. SWIM personally has no friends whom he would like to (or could) share saliva with. SWIM also has a heavy social anxiety disorder so he thinks a sitter = instant bad-trip.

SWIM took the hit, lay down and became an indian dancing around a campfire for 7-8 minutes (he listened to some ambient indian-chant thing). All in all very pleasant and relaxing and he came out of it feeling very clear-headed.

SWIM would advice a sitter if at all possible as he has seen what bigger dosages can do, if not then SWIY should do an absolutely minimal dose in a very safe environment to learn his own reactions to the drug.

[Potter]

It's rather difficult for a beginner to judge a low vs. high dose of salvia. The first few times you take the sacrament, no matter it's potency, you may not have a breakthrough experience. It's possible to have little to no effects off of three tries of 20x, then have a full breakthrough on the same quantity of 5x.

Remember that once the breakthrough experience starts, you will not be capable of meaningful interaction with the real world. It's not enough to simply put away "dangerous" objects, but you need to take account things like the corner of a bed or hard furniture you might fall into and hit your head on. For some reason people have a tendency to attempt to stand and walk on this stuff, even though their legs are like jello.

A "safe room" would have a closed door, be empty of everything but pillows, blankets, maybe a mattress on the floor. Low light levels, maybe a string of x-mas lights or a small night light, total dark is good too. All outside contact cut off, NO PHONES!

Of course there is still the issue of the hot pipe and ashes. Nobody had an experience where they had forgotten what they had just did (i.e. smoke a drug) and thought that the object clutched in their hand, pressed against their mouth, was their language/identity (it was a pipe) and was afraid if the let go of it they would dissolve. As a result they spilled the still glowing coals on their bed and messed up a brand new pillow. Since a sitter would have removed the pipe as soon as the effects started, this would never have been an issue.

Open empty fields in secluded locations are another possibility, but you'll probably loose your pipe there.

[kerang]

Originally Posted by aroidgrower

SWIM would like to try salvia for the first time but doesn't have a sitter.

Is this a good idea or a terrible one?

Ok now there are infinite degrees of cleverness between those two extremes aroidgrower It's probably not as easy as saying yes or no.
Swim think it depends a lot on the strengt and amount of Salvia used. Personally he will be doing his first Salvia in a few weeks, but there are no one he would like as a sitter so he will be doing it on his own.

Then, one strategy would be to ease into the experience, what he will do is to use Salvia in the form of a quid or a small amount of a weak extract. Of course swim sees this in a spirituell context and he expects guidance from the Salvia itself as he go along. Swim got positive experiences this way when he did Ayahuascha on his own.

Chosing this route can not involve heavy toking on strong extracts, if that is what swiy planned to do a sitter is probably a must as everyone says here. Still swim think a respectfull and informed individual will do just fine on his/her own.

Like what Potter writes about prepareing a safe romm and locking the door. Maybe put the key somewhere it won't be to easy to get at it while under heavy influence.

[RTKNemzek]

Personally I think that is kind of a bad idea because I have heard of people hurting themselves really badly on the trip because they have no idea what is going on. So personally I would get some one to watch me also because I have been in a room with a couple people on it at once and it is total madness because they get sketched out when they see eachother and shit.

[static_vodka_420]

swim will give you the pros and cons

pros.. if swiy has no sitter it may be easier to break through into salvia land and have an introspective uninterrupted trip and also said sitter cant turn into a monster and/or distraction.
precautions.. stay in a small well knowm area free of shap and breakable objects and attempt to remain still throughout the trip if possible as the universe swiy knows will dissappear

cons. if swiy is tripping to intenselly theres no one to snap swiy back to realty and swiy may hurt themselves so if alone swiy should start small and work up in extract dosages and hits

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good point about sitters and doses

[abraham]

Just for the record, swim has done Salvia 5 or 6 times with no sitter. With no problems. Swim would preferr to do it it privacy of his own house while alone.

[TheMainException]

SWIM's first time on salvia was with a sitter and it was good that there was someone there. There was a great deal of fear. SWIM was trying to hold on for dear life as though the drug was going to take her away. However, Salvia was also SWIM's first drug ever...so it was a bit weirder of an experience.

The second time SWIM did salvia, it was alone and SWIM freaked out with a tiny toke, stumbling around the edge of the woods, saw a skeleton of a dead animal and ran back into the woods, swearing never to do salvia alone again. (We'll see how long that lasts...it's been almost two years now, but the clock has a time limit and SWIM's sitter live far away now).

[boomerenfuego]

I agree entirely. SWIM had very rough experience the first time they used Salvia. A spotter is definitely in order. It's good to have someone around just in case. It is also a lot of fun having one person take it at a time so you can watch what they do.