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Old 15-01-2009, 05:05
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Exclamation Smokeable extract from tea or pods, fresh or dry

This is an older post of SWIM from somewhere else but he figured he could share it here as well as some may find it useful and it is pretty easy to do.

So, SWIM said:

After some experimenting I have come up with a new method to obtain a smokeable product from tea. Or rather, how to extract "opium" from pods either fresh or dry.

1. Take pods, dried or fresh, and freeze them
2. Add 4 parts water for each 1 part pod material into a blender and grind it up good
3. Pour it over in a mug or similar, stirr it well for some minutes, then let it sit for about 1 hour in room temp.
4. Strain it to discard the biggest chunks, use a strainer with fairly big holes.
5. Fill the upper brown and most clear layer over into a bottle, let the rest stay in the mug
6. Extract the goo and particles left in the mug with more water, like was done with the pods in step 2 and 3.
7. Strain and pour this solution also over into the bottle
8. Shake bottle and put in a freezer (Dont cap the bottle, could explode if pressure expands it while freezing)
9. When half the solution in the bottle has frozen filtrate it with a cloth (t-shirts work fine) and discard the ice.
10. Put the solution back into bottle, shake it well, freeze it down again like in step 8 and 9.
11. Take this second filtrated solution and evaporate it in a pot placed in a larger pot with cooking water (warm bath)
12. The brown substance left in the smaller pot when evaporated, sometimes a bit like mexican tar, can be smoked.

This type of Morphine salt extracted with this method is highly soluble in cold water
No need for any acidic chemicals in the process, no ascorbic acid, lemon juice, etc. This makes it less soluble.
The morphine stays in the water, the junk in the ice that you discard.

Thats basically it, have fun.

To put it short, the alkaloids you want are highly soluble in cold water, and the plant fat and material you dont want is not. As I described you get the things you want in the solution you get from this procedure, and the stuff you don't want is in the ice discarded etc. Bigger particles and plant matter etc is entrapped by the ice during the process while the smaller ones such as the morphine is pushed away with the water, thus the ice will contain a lot of the unwanted material and little of the morphine, while the water will contain a lot of the morphine and very little of the unwanted stuff.

But, there will always be some traces of the good stuff left in the discarded material, so you could extract this further to gain more, or just simply make tea out of it and drink that before smoking the product you get from the method i have described here.

And yes, smoking it requires less amount of the product than by drinking it as tea, so you get more doses.

You could of course do more processing on the final product from the above technique to make it more pure or convert it into other substances but that is not something which will be mentioned here.

Sidenote:

Reccommand information from DEA, cultivation, extractions, convertions from morphine to acetylmorphine etc:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/intel/20026/20026.html
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Re: Smokeable extract from tea or pods, fresh or dry

Similar to the CFO process only simpler and less processed (not as clean).

The morphine that is left is not a morphine salt but in raw alkaloidal form. To form a salt one needs to perform a chemical "wash" of sorts with HCl or some other acid (It is more complicated than that but no time to go into it right now). There are also a number of other alkaloids left in that mix including Thebaine, Papaverine, Narcotine, Codeine, etc.

Acetylating the Morphine should only be done if the majority of the Morphine can be stripped from the solution with as small a Codeine taint as possible. Acetylated Codeine is toxic to humans.

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Re: Smokeable extract from tea or pods, fresh or dry

Yes, as mentioned there will be other things in the final product and not pure morphine salt. As said, it can be processed further to purify it by other means. Though, it is fine in the state it is after the above procedure for smoking purposes and quick and easy for anyone to do without any chemical knowledge or special precautions needed during the process, nor any hard to get substances / items / chemicals etc.

SWIM has confirmed the potency of the end product of the above method and so has friends and other swimmers

What is the CFO? Can you give a link?
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Re: Smokeable extract from tea or pods, fresh or dry

Not including morphine salt, not even morphine salt, just morphine in its raw alkaloidal form. Morphine needs to be converted into a salt. - hydrochloride salt, sulfate salt, even an acetate. Codeine generally gets converted into a phosphate salt for medical use. All raw alkaloidal forms are converted to a salt before being used in the medical industry. (This is for PO, IM, SC and IV use because the body will absorb a salt more efficiently).

This is not to say that raw alkaloidal forms are not bioavailable in something such as CPS, PPT, CFO, Raw Latex or even just pods in raw powder form. Its just that in a salt form it performs better, being absorbed by the GIT quicker, crossing the BBB quicker, Having a better lipid solubility (one of the major reasons for a HCl, sulfate form in medicine).

Basically salt forms are not present in opium until it has been extracted and processed into a salt form, everything else until then is a raw alkaloid.

"The improved guide. . . " is the CFO link, in the stickies in this section of the forum.
CFO is "cooked opium" or "flake opium" . . . similar to what is above but a little more advanced producing a much more refined and pure end result.

Hope this has been of help

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Re: Smokeable extract from tea or pods, fresh or dry

Thanks for the info. And yes I'm aware of the morphine in other forms such as the salts you mention are more potent but the method above was aimed at those who wanted a quick and easy way of getting smokeable material, which is nice and potent enough, from their pods, fresh or dry. No chemicals or anything needed at all, only water, pods and a freezer. Of course if one want to purify the product, following your suggestions would be useful

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Re: Smokeable extract from tea or pods, fresh or dry

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Thanks for the info. And yes I'm aware of the morphine in other forms such as the salts you mention are more potent but the method above was aimed at those who wanted a quick and easy way of getting smokeable material, which is nice and potent enough, from their pods, fresh or dry. No chemicals or anything needed at all, only water, pods and a freezer. Of course if one want to purify the product, following your suggestions would be useful

Thanks for the info
Of course. SWIM was just trying to help by pointing out that the alkaloids are not already present in a salt form (as was suggested by SWIyour earlier post). Raw alkaloidal forms are great for either smoking or ingestion, it is just that salt forms are more bioavailable and efficiently used by the body. CFO does not process these alkaloids into a salt form, it just refines things down so that the raw alkaloidal form available is as concentrated as possible making for a better smokable end result.

This was is great for the person not to worried about potency and is more concerned about time.

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