LSD vs. Mescaline vs. Salvia vs. DMT vs. Magic Mushrooms?

[metaljuana]

No, this is not a fight on which gets you the most fucked up, it is merely a few questions I want to ask about these drugs, because swim is planning on taking LSD, and possibly a few of these others. So here are my questions.

1. What really are the differences between these psychedelics? How are the experiences really different?

2. Which is considered as the most powerful of these substances (I keep hearing it is either LSD or DMT, no one has really said which is the strongest yet)

3. Which of these gave you the most memorable experience or changed swiy's life the most and the best?


Those are my questions so far on these drugs, I may post some more if I think of more, any help is greatly appreciated.

[Jasim]

Strongest? How does swiy mean?

LSD is strongest if swiy means most potent. Only a few micrograms are needed versus milligrams to grams of the others.
Salvia is also considerably 'strong' with respect to active dose, but if smoked doesn't last nearly as long as LSD. Smoked Salvia effects last maybe 30 mins whereas LSD trips can be 16 hours or longer.

If swiy is referring to most intense trip, swim thinks this is somewhat subjective. DMT is likely to provide a rather "pure" trip. LSD can be very visual, but also have some heavy body effects. Salvia can be very visual, and seems to have a strange effect on time for swim.

Swim has not had mescaline or DMT. Swim plans on trying both in the near future.
Swim has also only smoked salvia. Swim has considered trying a different administration for prolonged effects.

Swim would recommend any of the 3 swim has tried, but probably mushrooms the most. Mushrooms makes swim feel warm and loving. LSD makes swim interested and curious. And salvia...uh, swim isn't sure what to say about salvia. Salvia is definetly different. Salvia makes swim feel like he's a cartoon.


Swim is very interested at seeing where this thread goes. Good topic.

[Wierd Logic]

Originally Posted by Jasim

Strongest? How does swiy mean?

LSD is strongest if swiy means most potent. Only a few micrograms are needed versus milligrams to grams of the others.
Salvia is also considerably 'strong' with respect to active dose, but if smoked doesn't last nearly as long as LSD. Smoked Salvia effects last maybe 30 mins whereas LSD trips can be 16 hours or longer.

Thats not a good way of looking at it. In active doses, DMT is by far the most "potent" - or the one with the most mindblowing effects - bear in mind they are extremely short-lived.

Trying to describe a different drugs effects is for Squirrell a bit like trying to describe a colour - you can get descriptions from trip reports on erowid and the like, but its pretty much useless unless you can actually experience it. DMT is the most visual, mushies are apparently natural feeling, LSD takes a little bit of getting used to but is absolutely incredible, Salvia is a mindblowing reality-ripping sweaty 15 minutes. Mescaline is an odd bird - he can't quite make his mind up.

The only one there that squirrell hasn't tried is (unfortunately) mushrooms, but they are by all accounts a good introduction to psychedelics. Salvia isn't really that "fun" in Squirrells experience, and he certainly wouldn't reccomend it for someone who hasn't tried any of the others.

Squirrells favorite head and shoulders above the others on that list is LSD. It has provided him with the most insight into the world and also the most crazy/fun nights of his life, certainly the msot "memorable"experiences. Start out small, happy trails.

[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Originally Posted by metaljuana

No, this is not a fight on which gets you the most fucked up, it is merely a few questions I want to ask about these drugs, because swim is planning on taking LSD, and possibly a few of these others. So here are my questions.

1. What really are the differences between these psychedelics? How are the experiences really different?

2. Which is considered as the most powerful of these substances (I keep hearing it is either LSD or DMT, no one has really said which is the strongest yet)

3. Which of these gave you the most memorable experience or changed swiy's life the most and the best?

Comparing the strengths of psychedelics is an issue because there are two different types of "strength"

The first is the strength of the experience relative to the amount took.

Based on this criteria,

LSD wins with

Oral LSD Dosages
Threshold 20 ug
Light 25 - 75 ug
Common 50 - 150 ug
Strong 150 - 400 ug
Heavy 400 + ug

DMT comes second with

Smoked DMT Dosages
Threshold 2 - 5 mg
Light 10 - 20 mg
Common 20 - 40 mg
Strong 40 - 60 mg

And mescaline comes third with

Oral Mescaline HCl Dosages
Threshold 100 mg
Light 100 - 200 mg
Common 200 - 300 mg
Strong 300 - 500 mg
Heavy 500 - 700 mg
-*

The second and possibly more important criteria for judging the "strengths" of psychedelics is comparing the unique effects of each substance. This is, arguably, purely subjective and thus makes an understanding of relative strength very difficult...

Furthermore, a "light" dose of LSD for one person may seem a lot stronger than a "medium" dose of DMT for another person...

It is all subjective!

In Swim's opinion, DMT is strongest because it feels the most intense, then LSD which is intense but in a different (and thus, for swim, less) way, and thirdly mescaline seems very relaxed and dream like.

They were all equally life-changing for swim.

*Data in tables taken from www.Erowid.org

Here is a similar thread which might give you some more information:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...g+psychedelics

[Joel90]

Good topic. Wish I had more to say on it then that.

Other then good topic, I'd like to suggest we stop the whole "acid because its in micrograms" thing and move right on to basing strength on what is considered "a normal dose". I.e, based on personal experience, does "Common 200 - 300 mg of Mescaline" alter your mind more than "Common 50 - 150 ug of LSD", and if so, in what way?

I assume mentaljuana already understands that this topic is subjective?

[DroreLone]

Salvinorin is more potent by weight that DMT or LSD.

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by DroreLone

Salvinorin is more potent by weight that DMT or LSD.

Nah, LSD is still the most potent psychoactive per mg so far discovered/invented, though salvinorin is (AFAIK) the most potent one that occurs naturally. But as others have said in this thread, there's far more to how 'strong' or 'powerful' a drug is than how many milligrams make up a standard dose.

[Toma]

SWIM said:

"There are many differences between them, although they provide the same kind of experience (besides Salvia). For a good description of each you should read the effects chapters in
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...ic_guide.shtml
and
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...lvinorin.shtml
A classic introduction to the world of psychedelics.

Beyond the nuances of experience, an important difference IMO is the mental clarity which determines how lucidly you will be able to enjoy that experience:
-mushrooms are like having your mind enveloped in a storm cloud
-mescaline and the 2C's are like having your brain wrapped in a warm wet bedsheet
-DOx are like having your brain mashed in a blender, particularly later in the trip
-LSD is like having your brain turned into a crystal matrix optical computer

DMT and Salvia are in another league. DMT is a fully immersive psychedelic, Salvia is a dissociative. Both take you to completely different worlds."

[Jatelka]

It's that whole apples/oranges thing all over again, and it has been discussed before.

Moved to euphoric mind (there was something similar posted recently, but I can't find it ATM)

Found it: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=cherries

[lsh]

No one should ever take much importance from anyone else's experiences of these things. So what I say is pointless really but you did ask for the experience of people other than scientist nerds who have never actually tried anything for themselves, but think that they know everything...

SWIM personally has never got anything enlightening or incredible from Liberty Caps and the like. Seeing fractal patterns is just pointless for SWIM, silly dots or patterns in front of your eyes are not really hallucinations. As is the muddled way they always made SWIM feel.

Fly Agaric (Amanitas or whatever they are called.) have always been spiritual and very pleasant in comparison. SWIM always felt very close to nature and very positive in how he lived his life.. Very natural sleep always followed the use of Fly Agarics and no negative after effects at all... FOR SWIM! Cannabis is seen as a far lighter drug but it has a much stronger (and negative) effect on SWIM than Amanitas.

LSD was even better than Fly Argarics, with mild hallucinations. But a far worse come down/ restless feelings and inability to sleep. Taken on SWIMS own he experienced what he thought at the time was enlightenment, which is still the most incredible feeling he's ever had by far. But when taken with friends he just found everything very funny and was hysterical. Still very enjoyable though.

[indialpc]

Originally Posted by metaljuana

No, this is not a fight on which gets you the most fucked up, it is merely a few questions I want to ask about these drugs, because swim is planning on taking LSD, and possibly a few of these others. So here are my questions.

1. What really are the differences between these psychedelics? How are the experiences really different?

2. Which is considered as the most powerful of these substances (I keep hearing it is either LSD or DMT, no one has really said which is the strongest yet)

3. Which of these gave you the most memorable experience or changed swiy's life the most and the best?


Those are my questions so far on these drugs, I may post some more if I think of more, any help is greatly appreciated.

if you ask me, the differences are in the time range of each of the drug trips..

[Mercer414]

SWiM has only play with two of these. And only slighty.
Salvia provided intense highs at 60x. Pricey but worth it.

SWiM played with shrooms slightly, but the trip was combo'd with DXM, so it wasn't fun.