Opinions - Pill crushing and filtering

[InTheCity]

SWIM has read all there is to read on these forums on CWE, and has followed the process meticulously every time, but has found certain areas of the process to be a pain, and is seeking better ways of completing it, since SWIM is becoming quite the tolerant swimmer so quickly (300mg today, and felt absolutely NOTHING, and no swim is not 2D6 deficient), and has to start upping his pill count is his CWEs.

Pill crushing- Crushing 30/40/50+ pills can be a pain SWIM finds. SWIM originally used spoons to crush 10 T3s in a plastic bag, but the T1s are a lot harder, and there is a hell of a lot more of them, and basically, the spoon doesn't quite cut it anymore. SWIM has been plastic bagging (double and triple bagging) and using a hammer against a concrete floor, but SWIM finds that the edges of the pills and the hammer itself can quickly start to tear through the plastic bags. What tools or methods are more controlled and dont run the risk of losing powder? SWIM is willing to go out and buy whatever it is that could make this step a lot easier. SWIM has read about using a pestil and mortar, but again that seems like a pain to crush up 50 solid pills, but then again SWIM has never tried it.

SWIM is also curious as too how long it takes the average swimmer to let the solution COMPLETELY drip through the filter, as he finds this always takes an excessive amount of time and frustrates SWIM.

SWIM is also curious about masking the taste. SWIM has tried mixing with sodas and kool aid (lime and orange) and has added some flavour to it, but is nowhere near close to masking the bitter chalkiness of it. Is it possible maybe that pure lemon juice or lime juice may help mask some of the bitterness?

SWIM realizes he could be searching the forums and internet on information on this, but would like to discuss it here so others can learn as well.

[drguildo]

Originally Posted by Synic03

What tools or methods are more controlled and dont run the risk of losing powder?

SWIM doesn't even bother crushing them. They dissolve quite quickly in lukewarm water with a bit of stirring, supposedly.

SWIM is also curious as too how long it takes the average swimmer to let the solution COMPLETELY drip through the filter, as he finds this always takes an excessive amount of time and frustrates SWIM.

Depends on how much solution SWIM is filtering, but yes, it does take a while.

SWIM is also curious about masking the taste. SWIM has tried mixing with sodas and kool aid (lime and orange) and has added some flavour to it, but is nowhere near close to masking the bitter chalkiness of it. Is it possible maybe that pure lemon juice or lime juice may help mask some of the bitterness?

The taste really doesn't improve, does it? Sometimes it almost makes SWIM gag. My answer would be "suck it and see".

SWIM realizes he could be searching the forums and internet on information on this, but would like to discuss it here so others can learn as well.

What's stopping them from doing it?

[InTheCity]

Originally Posted by drguildo

SWIM doesn't even bother crushing them. They dissolve quite quickly in lukewarm water with a bit of stirring, supposedly.


Depends on how much solution SWIM is filtering, but yes, it does take a while.


The taste really doesn't improve, does it? Sometimes it almost makes SWIM gag. My answer would be "suck it and see".


What's stopping them from doing it?

SWIM has searched, but never really quite found the answers he was looking for

Also SWIM finds that even after crushing the pills, that not everything dissolves in quite warm water, so he finds it difficult to see them just dissolving in 5 minutes

[TheNewLeft]

certain brands of pills take long to dissolve than others. my pet uses a small bowl and a soup spoon to crush the tablets.

also, 222s or aspirin/codeine/caffeine tabs filter MUCH quicker than T1s. In fact, aspirin filters about 3 times as quickly as acetaminophen. the trade-off being the taste is even worse. in fact, in surpasses levels of mere "taste" to encapsulate what could only be described as an actual emotion...one that encompasses gagging, revulsion and disgust all in the same moment.

the best way to mask the taste is actually not with sweetening agents, but with bitter ones. Tonic Water is the way to go for a variety of reasons...

1) Carbonated beverages allow for the codeine to be absorbed within your system quicker and...

2) Tonic Water has Quinine in it...which actually helps with the process of converting codeine to morphine in the liver.

also, most drugs, regardless of what they are taste horrible in their raw chemical form...which is why OTC cough syrups are packed with ingredients to mask the taste. you might want to try mixing your CWE solution with some liquid Benadryl or DXM to help gulp it down.

also, dextromorphan and dipenhydramine both potentiate opiates

[InTheCity]

Originally Posted by TheNewLeft

also, 222s or aspirin/codeine/caffeine tabs filter MUCH quicker than T1s. In fact, aspirin filters about 3 times as quickly as acetaminophen. the trade-off being the taste is even worse. in fact, in surpasses levels of mere "taste" to encapsulate what could only be described as an actual emotion...one that encompasses gagging, revulsion and disgust all in the same moment.

So what should swim ask the pharmacist for instead of the generic 50 count of tylenol 1s? This seems to be exactly what SWIM is looking for.

Originally Posted by TheNewLeft

the best way to mask the taste is actually not with sweetening agents, but with bitter ones. Tonic Water is the way to go for a variety of reasons...

1) Carbonated beverages allow for the codeine to be absorbed within your system quicker and...

2) Tonic Water has Quinine in it...which actually helps with the process of converting codeine to morphine in the liver.

also, most drugs, regardless of what they are taste horrible in their raw chemical form...which is why OTC cough syrups are packed with ingredients to mask the taste. you might want to try mixing your CWE solution with some liquid Benadryl or DXM to help gulp it down.

also, dextromorphan and dipenhydramine both potentiate opiates

SWIM will try tonic water actually and see how that helps. Also swim never thought of mixing the codeine with some equate DXM. But SWIM has concern of the nausea that swim gets when chugging cough syrup, so SWIM can safely assume that he should mix his 300ml or so of codeine water with maybe 10 or 15ml MAX of cough syrup?

And yes swim usually pops back 75mg of diphenhydramine 15 minutes before taking the codeine(SWIM is curious though whether the diphehydramine should be take before or after ingesting the codeine to best potentiate it? SWIM assumes before hand is best, but isn't 100% sure). SWIM also bought some Tums and is going to take one of those as well 30 minutes before the codeine.

SWIM seems to have found some of the answers he was looking for and seems like he has quite the concoction of things to ingest with his codeine now.

30 minutes before - 1 tums
15 minutes before - 50-100mg of diphenhydramine
300mg codeine mixed with possible 10 or 15ml of DXM cough syrup plus a few hundred ml of tonic water.
Seems like all that should add up to one hell of a nice codeine buzz

[TheNewLeft]

it is important not to mix too much DXM with codeine because the combination can severely suppress the breathing...but i've mixed as much as 30-40mg of DXM with high doses of codeine without any problem.

as for the aspirin. just go to the pharmacist and ask for "222s" the generic brand. I find asking for generics is good...because it makes you sound like you`ve done this before and sort of know what you`re talking about. Also, generics are considerably cheaper. The only real difference is the fillers and binders. The active ingredients are always the same.

it's the exact same pill as T1s only with Aspirin instead of Tylenol.

there are also 292s which are the aspirin equivalent of T3s but you'll need a prescription for those.

TheNewLeft added 7 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

also since i notice you`re from T-Dot you should know...


Shoppers Drug Mart has the highest prices in the city. IDA, Pharma Plus, Guardian, etc....all of them sell their own version of generics for almost half the price.

[InTheCity]

Originally Posted by TheNewLeft

it is important not to mix too much DXM with codeine because the combination can severely suppress the breathing...but i've mixed as much as 30-40mg of DXM with high doses of codeine without any problem.

as for the aspirin. just go to the pharmacist and ask for "222s" the generic brand. I find asking for generics is good...because it makes you sound like you`ve done this before and sort of know what you`re talking about. Also, generics are considerably cheaper. The only real difference is the fillers and binders. The active ingredients are always the same.

it's the exact same pill as T1s only with Aspirin instead of Tylenol.

there are also 292s which are the aspirin equivalent of T3s but you'll need a prescription for those.

TheNewLeft added 7 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

also since i notice you`re from T-Dot you should know...


Shoppers Drug Mart has the highest prices in the city. IDA, Pharma Plus, Guardian, etc....all of them sell their own version of generics for almost half the price.

Yeah its such a rip, if SWIM goes to shoppers and asked for the generic 50 count of tylenol 1s its almost $10!, at walmart, or anywhere else for that matter, its like $4.50 for a 50 count bottle.

[RoboCodeine7610]

SWIM doesn't even bother crushing them. They dissolve quite quickly in lukewarm water with a bit of stirring, supposedly.

Well let me tell you that crushing the pills makes a HUGE difference.Swim used to buy a local brand called "Fevadol Plus" which dissolved by themselves so he didn't bother crushing.So a few months ago swim decided to switch to "Solpadeine" which are capsules and the powder inside is really, really fine so the first time he used them he could not believe the difference.

Swim swears to god it was at least 2-3 times stronger and has never, ever used tablets ever since.So I think you should just buy capsules so you don't have to crush tablets.

Good luck, Robo

[drguildo]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

Well let me tell you that crushing the pills makes a HUGE difference.Swim used to buy a local brand called "Fevadol Plus" which dissolved by themselves so he didn't bother crushing.So a few months ago swim decided to switch to "Solpadeine" which are capsules and the powder inside is really, really fine so the first time he used them he could not believe the difference.

Swim swears to god it was at least 2-3 times stronger and has never, ever used tablets ever since.So I think you should just buy capsules so you don't have to crush tablets.

Good luck, Robo

How can SWIY say that crushing them makes a huge difference when, according to their story, they never crushed them? I'm not saying SWIY is wrong it's just SWIY's evidence is poor as SWIY is essentially comparing apples and oranges. If SWIY'd crushed the original tablets and it made a large difference that would have been a bit more convincing, but as it stands I'm not convinced that one kind of dissolving is significantly different from another (when both are done properly, obviously).

SWIM started out crushing them and then went to dissolving them (exactly the same brand and type of tablets) and then switched to just dissolving (because they found crushing them a pain in the arse) and could discern no difference from the resulting liquid.

Double-blind trial, anyone?

[RoboCodeine7610]

Ok, drguildo why don't we read my post again and highlight the important parts, just to make it clearer:

Well let me tell you that crushing the pills makes a HUGE difference.Swim used to buy a local brand called "Fevadol Plus" which dissolved by themselves so he didn't bother crushing.So a few months ago swim decided to switch to "Solpadeine" which are capsules and the powder inside is really, really fine so the first time he used them he could not believe the difference.

Swim swears to god it was at least 2-3 times stronger and has never, ever used tablets ever since.So I think you should just buy capsules so you don't have to crush tablets.

Now what I'm saying here is that the first brand came in tablet form and the second in capsule form which basically means that the second brand already came in a fine powder.Now these are not apples and oranges, they're the exact same here's a little chart to make you understand it better:




|Brand______________|Paracetamol/Acetaminophen|__________|Caffeine|_________|Codein e|__|
| | | |
|Fevadol Plus | | | 500mg | |30mg| |8mg| |
| | | |
|Solpadeine | | | 500mg | |30mg| |8mg| |
|___________________|_|___________________________ _________________________________|
So as the chart shows, both brands are the exact same and therefore, should have the same effect in theory.Now, as you can see these are two apples and the only difference between them is the form in which they come.Fevadol Plus comes in tablet form, and Solpadeine comes in capsule form.Now, as I said earlier, I found the latter to be much more potent and so I am inclined to believe that the fact that it comes in powder form (as in crushed) was the reason for the potentiation.

Now I think that explains it pretty well but please drguildo, if you have any more questions on the theory don't hesitate to ask.

Robo

[dawgxray]

try buying a paramasen cheese grater from your local supercenter. swim has on and when grated it comes out smoother than confectionary sugar. perfect for mixing on food, drinks, or nose.