Dose - CWE - Amount of Water

[metaphoria]

Okay, so SWIM looked up a bunch of information on the amount of water to use for CWE, but he couldnt't find an exact answer. Some places say 2ml per pill, 40 ml for 20, or even 100ml for 20.

Now, say he wants to do a CWE on 15 AC&C tablets. 30ml of water going by 2ml per pill...but that's only 2 tablespoons. But if he uses say 100ml, there's way too much water to filter and it takes forever.

Do you really only need 2 tablespoons of water to do a CWE with 15 tablets or is there something he's missed?

[InTheCity]

So as you can see, both A/A aren't very soluble in 21C water, so if you cool the water to around 10C, the solubility will drop even further. That way you can dissolve 20 tablets in 50ml of hot water, cool the water down to 10C, filter the solution and end up with the same amount of codeine as the tablets contained but only a fraction of the original amount of A/A.

Taken from the CWE wiki.
SWIM realizes that his thread "First CWE whatever" is a little confusing if your trying to understand what measures to use.

After SWIM did some further reading and comprehends the solubility and measurements a little more now, it would be safe to say you could use about 50ml of hot water to dissolve 15 AC&C pills. Also dont worry about how long it takes to filter, SWIM has filtered more than a cup and a half of water in under 10 minutes!

[scruffyloather]

SWIMS typical dose is 72 pills 13.5 g of codein + crapload of ibuprofin. swim dumps all pills into 600 ml plastic coke bottle, fills half full of warm water, puts lid on and shakes for 5 mins. puts in freezer for half hour, couple of shakes while cooling, takes it out and filters (through a shirt).

[InTheCity]

Originally Posted by scruffyloather

SWIMS typical dose is 72 pills 13.5 g of codein + crapload of ibuprofin. swim dumps all pills into 600 ml plastic coke bottle, fills half full of warm water, puts lid on and shakes for 5 mins. puts in freezer for half hour, couple of shakes while cooling, takes it out and filters (through a shirt).

if SWIY doesn't mind SWIM asking, where is SWIY getting pills with 187.5mg of codeine in them? or is the 13.5g of codeine a typing mistake?

[scruffyloather]

Originally Posted by Synic03

if SWIY doesn't mind SWIM asking, where is SWIY getting pills with 187.5mg of codeine in them? or is the 13.5g of codeine a typing mistake?

sry typo. 13.5mg per pill (72) is what swim meant. 13.5g is a little much for swim even though swim is a strong swimmer

[InTheCity]

Originally Posted by scruffyloather

sry typo. 13.5mg per pill (72) is what swim meant. 13.5g is a little much for swim even though swim is a strong swimmer

haha now that makes more sense!

SWIM thinks his CWE is about done filtering, woohoo! time to try it with some kool aid powder and see how that goes.

[cra$h]

after the pills are crushed, put them in a cup and go around an inch above the powder. You need just enough to thoroughly dissolve everything.

[metaphoria]

Hmm, well, SWIM tried 30ml with 15 tablets and didn't really feel anything. He crushed them up, measured out 30ml of warm/hot water in a cup, then poured the powder in and stirred. After letting it cool to room temperature, he put it in the freezer for 20 minutes, stirring occasionally. After, he wet down a coffee filter with ice water and tied it around the top of a glass with an elastic band. After it was done, he squeezed out the rest of the liquid from the filter and filetered it again. SWIM drank it down but really didn't feel much of anything, which is strange because he doesn't have a tolerance.

[InTheCity]

Originally Posted by metaphoria

Hmm, well, SWIM tried 30ml with 15 tablets and didn't really feel anything. He crushed them up, measured out 30ml of warm/hot water in a cup, then poured the powder in and stirred. After letting it cool to room temperature, he put it in the freezer for 20 minutes, stirring occasionally. After, he wet down a coffee filter with ice water and tied it around the top of a glass with an elastic band. After it was done, he squeezed out the rest of the liquid from the filter and filetered it again. SWIM drank it down but really didn't feel much of anything, which is strange because he doesn't have a tolerance.

SWIM had no prior opiate use, so no tolerance at all, but found that anything under 250mg didn't do much for him, and regularly started taking 300-350mg doses after his third time using codeine (first two times involved just popping back multiple T3s).

[drguildo]

Originally Posted by metaphoria

After letting it cool to room temperature, he put it in the freezer for 20 minutes, stirring occasionally.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think SWIM should be doing this. I don't think it'll do any harm, but my understanding is the whole point is to let the paracetamol sink to the bottom. You're not making a stew. ;-)

[metaphoria]

Originally Posted by drguildo

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think SWIM should be doing this. I don't think it'll do any harm, but my understanding is the whole point is to let the paracetamol sink to the bottom. You're not making a stew. ;-)

Yeah, he never stirred it until that time. SWIM read conflicting reports on that too, some said to stir...some not to stir.

If only there was one DEFINITE guide to CWE...

[RoboCodeine7610]

I think OutriderX's CWE guide is pretty definite.About stirring, swim always stirs because the smaller the chunks of Paracetamol, the less codeine is trapped inside.About the water, swim uses 80ml-100ml for 24 pills.

[tecklord]

Sounds like some swimmers here are using an extremely large amount of pills (72 x 13.5mg?? = 972mg codeine!). SWIM know that the LD50 (which basically means lethal dose) is around 500mg to 800mg. SWIM would strongly advice anyone attempting codeine extractions to start low (100mg is a safe place to start and for many that will be enough).

SWIM himself usually go for around 200-250mg using pills that contains 50mg codeine and 50mg diclofenac, thus he take 4 or 5 pills.

HIS method is to simply crush them to powder , add them to half a glass acidic water (he uses large glasses, around 400ml in total so that means half a glass is around 200ml. He add some lemon juice and / or quarter teaspoon of citric acid powder) and mix it really well, stirring occasionally for 20 minutes to half an hour, then letting it sit in the fridge for around 15 minutes more. At this point he takes it out and gently pours it into a filter device he has constructed. His filter device is made like this: The top of a plastic bottle is cut of, such as half a coke bottle. A cotton ball is stuck into the bottle neck hole, and a normal paper towel is put inside the bottle-funnel (you could use a normal funnel of course). SO, as said he gently takes the glass, which now has a lot of powder of nasty stuff (diclofenac and binders etc) left in the bottom, and carefully pours it slowly into the funnel which is placed in another glass. He makes sure to stop when its only a tiny bit left and mostly sludge / pill mass from the bottom of the glass left. He discards the sludge nastyness from the glass, cleans it, and then he waits until the solution has been filtrated into the other glass.

THEN he discards the nastyness left in the filter (paper and the cotton ball, he removes boths) and adds 4 new pieces of paper sheet to the funnel for another extraction back into the first glass to get rid of any solids left.

Before ANY filtrartion is done, he wets the filtering device with water so that the solution to be filtered will easily go through and not get absorbed into the cotton and paper.

This method works execellent, specifically because diclofenac is very sparingly soluble in water, and even less soluble close to insoluble in acidic water (PH between 1-3).

On the other hand, diclofenac is very soluble in Alkaline water (PH 8 and above), so if one would want to really make sure the nasty things are gone one could add some sodium carbonate to the solution after the filtering to make any leftover diclofenac be dissolved into the water and the codeine be freebased and thus crystalize and become solids - if this step is done one would let the solids settle at the bottom, and gently pour out the water and make sure to SAVE the solids this time , for example by a high grade filter that can catch them, or simply by pouring out most of the liquid as possible while keeping the solids at the bottom.

These solids can then be consumed orally, or dried and snorted.

The best way to figure out how to do your extraction is to see what active substances are in the pills beside the codeine. You want the codeine and nothing else. So, you then simply google the solubility of the other substances (such as in swims case, he would type "solubility diclofenac") and look through scientific papers on the solubility of the unwanted substances in different solutions compared to the wanted (codeine) solubility in the same solutions. Codeine comes in different variations, such as phosphate, so thus you need to check what type of codeine you got as well.

Once you figure out what the unwanted substances are soluble in which your codeine is not, you're pretty good to go - or the other way for that matter, find what the codeine is soluble in and the unwanted substances are not.

[0utrider]

well, look in the codeine faq. it says how much water is needed. just read.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...rugs__amp__PCM

its says how much ml per mg is needed..
add the codeine to that calculation as well.

nevertheless, people seem to have some anxiety about making a cwe. im not saying don be careful. BE careful. nevertheless a few mg more or less will not harm you.
if you are concerned with you health dont do drugs in the first place.

after-care is imporant as well: some ACC is an PCM antidote, vitamine c helps as well (kidneys, but liver also)

[cybergenesis]

Swim usually uses about 3ml per pill and sometimes adds a slight amount more afterwards. Swim stirs. The point is that the codeine is soluble and devolves in the actual water, so stirring is fine. You shouldn't use hot water as far as Swim is aware. Swim uses cold tap water, then place it in the freezer for 20 mins then filters through a tea towel.