Opinions - K holing for fun?

[Davido2005]

Hi- Swim has read that a lot of the people on here seem to do k specifically in order to k hole. This interests him as in his friendship groups k-holing is normally seen as a bad thing, like an 'overdose' on k. Swim is interested to find out what creates this difference in attitudes.

Swim has only k holed once and did not really enjoy it, but he is thinking maybe this is because he was in a pub with lots of people laughing and staring! Therefore he would like to try to enter the k hole in a comfortable, private place with just a few close friends to see if he enjoys the experience.

So I guess swim is asking a) what creates the differences in attitudes towards k holing, and b) why do a lot of swimmers enjoy k-holing so much, does a create a more spiritual, psychedelic experience?

Please discuss, and sorry if this all just seems like a load of rambling!

[podge]

Originally Posted by Davido2005

This interests him as in his friendship groups k-holing is normally seen as a bad thing, like an 'overdose' on k. Swim is interested to find out what creates this difference in attitudes.

I think swiy answered his own question .....

Originally Posted by Davido2005

Swim has only k holed once and did not really enjoy it, but he is thinking maybe this is because he was in a pub with lots of people laughing and staring!

Therefore he would like to try to enter the k hole in a comfortable, private place with just a few close friends to see if he enjoys the experience.

The above being the key difference, a k-hole dose is far from being a socialable experience so shouldnt be taken in a social setting. Swim has virtually no interest in taking K with his friends - there are other substances which are more suitable for social settings. For swim K is best used when swim is alone and comfortable. Swim doesnt take k-hole doses for "fun" although sometimes that term is suitable, he uses it to challenge his own perception of reality and life in general with the ultimate goal of learning and bettering himself.

[Davido2005]

Ok yea swim can see this. I think one time soon he will do a bigger line in order to reach a k hole but will do it in a house with not too many people or breakable objects around! Swim would like to see the more psychedelic mind altering side of k as so far he has really just done small doses each time to kinda relax, loosen up and be a bit giggley

[yaba]

Swim done it as a experiance, took a way tooooo big line and was lying on the floor unable to move, mind going funny etc...(could go into more detail but need to sleep, on night shift...) But will ask swim for more if swiy wants.

Swim wouldn't do it again and it was a thing he had to try before he died.

[Davido2005]

Yaba could explain more if you felt like it but swim imagines its the type of thing you cannot really explain in words. Once swim's K connection returns he will do a big line and see if he experiences something completely different. Its quite an exciting prospect but also quite scary in some ways. WOuld swimmers say its ok to do this by yourself, because swims friends would probably not understand the reasoning behind this and may look down upon it...

[podge]

It is advised to have a sitter present (a sober friend willing to keep an eye on swiy ) to ensure the trippers safety and comfort, especially the first few times. Also swiy should only be doing this for himself, if swiys friends dont understand the reasonings behind entering the k-hole thats their business. In a lot of ketamine circles many people might consider small social doses as a complete waste of time and ketamine.....so basically make up swiys own mind - their wil always be people with contrasting viewpoints no matter what swiy does in life, just be educated on the positives and negatives so swiy can make an informed decision for himself.

[yaba]

swiP is right have someone with swiy, better be save then sorry !!
It will be an intresting experiance..... Its weird lying down, still sencing things but can't move. Its hard to explain.. Also it was 10 years ago when swim done it.

[Davido2005]

Swim sends his thanks to you who have given advice! Would you say one is completely unconscious to the outside world when one is in a k-hole, or are you still able to roughly keep track of things going on around you? Good advice on the sitter especially, swim wouldnt like to injure himself or something and not be able to do anything about it... And swim thinks he would be able to explain the reasons behind doing this to his friends and hopefully they would understand, but some of swims friends dont even take k and think its on a par with crack or something in terms of being bad for you!

[podge]

Yes, when in a k-hole one is completely seperated from their usual connection to reality - keeping track of things as one would when they are sober is not an option. The swimmer will be unable to move,speak and reason in any "normal" way.

[geministar2008]

A swim i know doesnt like K, had 2 bad experiences. Started off doing a small amount to then end up doing a bit more and going a bit too far! Not remembering things! And feeling as if in between realitly and being asleep. Not being in control which swim does not like. Falling about and then wanting to pass out.

Not for this swim

[Davido2005]

Yea swim can see why some wouldnt like it, but if swim felt prepared and safe he would quite enjoy it he thinks. Swim will try it within the next few days and post some experiences, if he can remember them! By the way he says thanks for all the help

[Wierd Logic]

Often people don't enjoy k-holes because its an accident, and if this happens in an unsuitable place it will obviously be considerably worsened. Monkey also finds that it take a couple of k-holes before people really start to enjoy it, and they can relax into it a bit more. Tell your friends not to try to interact with you and to just leave you to it, and your mind should be well and truly blown.

EDIT: Some users only take ketamine to reach k-hole states, so it must be worth trying!

[thepureskunk]

A FOAF really enjoys his K-Holes. He has only had a few and they seem to get better and better. He say's that he has been through space and had all kinds of weird visions, but it's hard to remember everything that happens..its like 'I' should be remembering this and then something else really cool happens and he then forgets what he should have been remembering

He also says that slow chilled spacy music really helps with space travel. My FOAF likes to listen to the French band: Air (look them up!) Music also needs to be set on low volume as the K makes it louder and also plays a lot of tricks with it..or so he say's..

Last but not least my FOAF likes to do it on his own and in bed or somewhere really relaxing..its not a social thing but can apparently be very, very cool.

Peace, tps

[Burnt]

SWIM barely sees the point in doing ketamine if one does not want to go into the k-hole, thats where it gets interesting. IM is also the most comfortable way to reach that state. Best thing for K = IM dose, lay back in a comfortable bed, and drift away.

[roadkill barbie]

swim can heartily recommend that this is not a drug designed for social settings. Swim prefers to be alone. Its use in club settings (let alone pub settings) seems counterproductive to exploring Ks true potential. Even someone entering a room can seriously affect swims experience,,even while in a K hole. However swim must admit he does seem to stay more in control of the trip even when exploring alternate dimensions - (eg when their can normally tell oneself to move ones head to avert a particularly vast experience).
Swim hopes theyre not famous last words

[Desertfox]

SWIM has had his first experiences with K recently and SWIM, on his second trip, tried getting up to use the bathroom(had a turtle head pokin out) but right when SWIM reached the toilet a bunch of vomit came from SWIM's mouth(ADVICE: trip only on an empty stomach) much of the rest of the trip was spent over the toilet shaking and SWIMs girlfriend asking if he's alright. Can't remember too much more than that, other than SWIM's heart was pounding intensely and on the inside felt like a downpour of sweat from a down-cotton cloud. But the point SWIM is trying to reach is that on future ket adventures SWIM should not attempt to move too much, other than to see how strange it feels, and lay down on a bed. Trying to orient yourself seems to lead to further disorientation. and the only thing to really do is ride it out and enjoy it while it lasts and while you can.
One thing SWIM does remember was the thought of being glad this wasn't done in a public setting kept coming to SWIM's mind.

[cra$h]

The general attitude of swimmers is for enlightenment, and not just to get fucked up. From what I've heard, a k-hole can be quite a strange place, almost but still different from a white light experience. Actually, now thinking about it, it sounds kind of like a Salvia trip. But swimmers are for the most part reserved, and so a k-hole would be something they'd find as a learning experience.

[roadkill barbie]

Swim understands what cra$h is talking about, (as well as whole heartedly agreeing with desertfox), but swim finds that whilst both K and salvia (higher concentrations) do plonk you in alternate realities, the experience on K has proved to offer far more spiritual enlightenment,,,especially on swims first experiences. Swim also thinks that K is a far more potent halluginogenic when done alone lying down. K can often take you to far off dreamscapes that morph every few seconds, like a magic carpet ride. With salvia swim certainly experienced more odd feelings, giggles and the sense he was off in salvia world,,but not the magic of K-holing. Swim would advise K alone and salvia with others defo. And with both drugs from what some guy called barry said 'go in with a smile on your face, confident in your own self and its ability to overcome and master what can be an immense trip' "Its just a ride" - Bill Hicks

[Philth]

SWIM just woke up from his second hole experience last night. Like others on here SWIM finds k in a social setting funny but not really reaching the drug's true potential.

Last night SWIM's gf went out to work so he was home alone and in a very relaxed state of mind. His gf likes taking k in small doses at clubs (something SWIMs never understood) so their's always some about. SWIM racked a nice big line (about 0.2) and lied down in bed waiting for the fun.

SWIM finds it very hard to describe the experience, but the closest he can get is a series of interlocking dreams that never really finish to completion. The tiniest change change in outside stimulus (for instance a car driving past) greatly affects what SWIMs mind is projecting. For that reason SWIM can imagine doing it in a social setting would turn the experience into a garbled mess.

Holes are too be enjoyed in SWIYs own (or at least with somebody who won't interact with SWIY) and with a very open mind

[ComfortablyNumb]

SWIM enjoys both normal doses and k-hole doses of ketamine. SWIM has only k-holed a few times, and finds it very confusing, if one isnt ready for it it can be so confusing and dissorientating that it becomes overwhelming. Basically, if one is looking for a hole, then you should enjoy it. But if one is put in a hole by accident, thats when you tend to made negative associations with k-holing.
SWIM agrees with lots of the posts in this thread. Ketamine is a very unsociable drug in some ways, but in others it not. SWIM disagrees with anyone doing k in public places like clubs/pubs/parties, this gives ketamine such a bad name and it doesnt need more exposure. But SWIM finds that with a close group of friends, all doing k, it can be quite sociable, if they arent k-holing that is.

[smokedpope]

SWIM enjoys small doses in clubs cause it just makes it more interesting and fun for him, now for K-hole experience SWIM wants to be home where he feels safe and its actualy the ultimate place to get into a hole, although always when SWIM does K at home theres AFOAF present they also are in the same state so most of the time SWIM feels like he is on his own and everyone has each own unique experience from it, when SWIM does K in a house (or any safe enviroment) his only aim is to get in a hole, so far every time SWIM has fallen into a hole it was a different experience (and so far he has enjoyed all of em) and that makes him believe whats so unique with K.

different doses for different occasions, every k-hole is different!! SWIM truly believes K is drug very different to any other!!

[dave-o]

K-holes are simply an amazing experience.

What a K-hole does is give your unconscious mind control over your conscious mind. You are completely enveloped in your own imagination, and may be astounded by some of the thoughts and experiences that your unconscious mind holds, that would never normally be able to make themselves known.

My sloth can't see the point of small doses of K. Why bother? Might as well just have a couple of tequilas.

[Rainbowzz]

K-holes!

K-holes, when done in the right way, can be fun. Enlightening, interesting, and a lovely use of your imagination. Definetly not the sort of thing you want to do when your around alot of people or in a social environment however.

[EyesOfTheWorld]

The only way to socially k-hole, in SWIMs opinion, is with a group of close friends who dont' mind being fallen or, knocked over and rolled around on. Cuddle Puddle: The Next Generation, in other words. Note: ketamine is NOT a sex drug. Only for clumsy cuddling.

[PapaBurgundy]

Swim's first K hole was by mistake as he thought he had some powdered mdma. But swim enjoyed it and has been holing for a while