Oral use - Spice: Edible?

[demented]

Hence and foremost; i shall take advantage of my first post's given ability in terms of greeting the population of Drugs-Forum. No need for a whole new thread in the relevant forum...

Hey guys. My Monkey wanted to tell you a tale:

"So i come to you today in order to inquire as to whether anyone here has ever attempted to eat the legal psychoactive smoking blend- formally known as Spice.
My reason for this frank inquiry is that of an awkward, personal matter:
Earlier today, i purchased 3 grams earlier today from my local headshop of a substance named: "Spice: Tropical Synergy," for (a ridiculously expensive) XXX
I proceeded to empty a cigarette of it's tobacco and refilled it with the Spice. Having tried it once previously and feeling severely disappointed, i was startled when a euphoria remarkably similar to that of Cannabis Sativa started making it's presence known to me, occurring within repeated pleasurable waves.
I then remembered the thread i'd read on Totse concerning the matter of how, recently, Spice was actually discovered to contain the synthetic cannabinoid JWH-018.
"By jove; wahoo!" Swim exclaimed.
For the majority of the bus-ride home, Swim was nicely toasted- however: when the ensuing arrival at home came about, Swim found the high to have worn off.
Due to his parent's presence hindering/simply abolishing any possible attempts Swim could possibly make in order to get out of the house somehow and smoke some more Spice, Swim began to ponder as to whether it could be consumed in another possible mannerism.
"Ah!" Swim said.
"Due to the confirmed presence of cannabinoid JWH-018, wouldn't it be possible to release the active chemical by immersing it within fats, due to it's well-known solubility in them?"

Swim's question was answered by the good people of Drugs-Forum, who said:



..TL;DR
cud u get high by putin teh spice in fats0rs? (due to teh prezens of JWH-018 & teh wel-known fact ov cannabis solubility in fats0rs?)




..Sorry if you've been liek: for teh majority of the time you've been reading this thread. It's just the way i am. I have ADD, and Swim is prescribed Dexamphetamine for it.
Doesn't SWIY just love dopamine-reuptake inhibition?

[Mona Lisa]

It is indeed edible and SWIM has done that very thing with the blend in question. Lovely stuff it was, too. She only had to eat about 250mg to get THERE. She'd reckon it does indeed contain JWH-018 due to its shorter lasting high.

But PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't self-incriminate yourself here. This is why there are so many from the SWIM team here (someone who isn't me).

Welcome, all the same!

[honourableone]

My pet giraffe finds that simply chewing the spice straight off is enough. Much like when hash is eaten, the effects are stronger but take longer to come on.

[demented]

Originally Posted by Mona Lisa

It is indeed edible and SWIM has done that very thing with the blend in question. Lovely stuff it was, too. She only had to eat about 250mg to get THERE. She'd reckon it does indeed contain JWH-018 due to its shorter lasting high.

But PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't self-incriminate yourself here. This is why there are so many from the SWIM team here (someone who isn't me).

Welcome, all the same!

Ahh, sorry! I'll (Sorry- SWIM will) attempt to become as annonymous as possible from now on.
Can you please tell me as to what the exact process -[SWIY]- performed in order to consume the 250mg?

Originally Posted by honourableone

My pet giraffe finds that simply chewing the spice straight off is enough. Much like when hash is eaten, the effects are stronger but take longer to come on.

ORLY??
And how many mg was that around?

This is great news guys. Thanks.
Also, thanks for the warm welcome ML

[honourableone]

My giraffe has only tried the original 3 spices, so can't help SWIY dosage wise. But with those that he has had, an average smoking dose was enough to feel very strong effects. My giraffe advises that SWIY eats a bit less than SWIY would have smoked. With Spice Diamond
(especially with low tolerance), eating too much could get VERY intense. Experimenting will be the best way to move forward, and to see the perfect oral dose for SWIY.

[demented]

Originally Posted by honourableone

My giraffe has only tried the original 3 spices, so can't help SWIY dosage wise. But with those that he has had, an average smoking dose was enough to feel very strong effects. My giraffe advises that SWIY eats a bit less than SWIY would have smoked. With Spice Diamond
(especially with low tolerance), eating too much could get VERY intense. Experimenting will be the best way to move forward, and to see the perfect oral dose for SWIY.

But how long is one supposed to chew for? is it more of a sublingual means of administration, or more of an actual chewing, effort-requiring action

[Mona Lisa]

Originally Posted by demented

Ahh, sorry! I'll (Sorry- SWIM will) attempt to become as annonymous as possible from now on.
Can you please tell me as to what the exact process -[SWIY]- performed in order to consume the 250mg?


ORLY??
And how many mg was that around?

This is great news guys. Thanks.
Also, thanks for the warm welcome ML

Hello again, Demented. Tell SWIY (someone who isn't you) to Weigh up 250mg, that's about a 12th of the container. It doesn't have to be exact, but SWIM said to aim for 205 to 250mg though this could go up to as high as 300mg. However, SWIM would aim for the lower end of things. Just chew up and swallow this amount and efffects should be noticeable within the hour. What followed for SWIM on just 225mg was mellow euphoria, a pleasant high with enhance music appreciation, horniness and colourful closed eye visuals (cev's). Enjoy!

[demented]

Thanks Mona.
But if SWIM was thinking of eating it tonight- like a low dose of 150mg in order to get some sleep/rest shortly (with the increased drowsiness being SWIM's aim here), does SWIY think it'd be beneficial for SWIM, or would it just make SWIM just feel even more hyped up aswell as increase the likelihood of experiencing the unwanted 'speedy'-esque side effects of the substance?
Bear in mind that SWIM has bad insomnia, is 6"3 and weighs 200lb.
Thankss.

[msimm]

Could any SWIY comment on any qualitative differences between smoked vs. eaten spice? From the thread so far I get that when eaten it comes on slower (1 to 2 hours) and might be somewhat more effective (I believe one said a little more/other advised a little less).

Is the duration different?
The quality of the high?
Do you prefer one method for any reason other then onset?

SWIM's only familiar with Magic Silver, which to his mind seems to have two characteristic highs, the initial high with a relatively short duration (2-3 hours?) and a much milder kind of mellowing which seems much longer.

Is the initial high with eaten Spice extended much/at all or does the overall profile remain pretty much the same?

[chaosx]

evil can't comment on spice, but he had 750 mg of jwh-108 in molassas. evil consumed roughly 3-6 mg and got mild effects that seemed to last about 4 hours. but after 6 hours he tried to sleep and had a familar floaty feeling that makes it hard for evil to sleep. the next day evil consumed roughly 5-9 mg and didn't nessisarily feel any higher, but found light and sound to be annoying and decided to go to sleep, because closing his eyes and quite seemed better.

evil thinks the effects are better when smoked, and the longer lasting effects can be annoying after awhile.

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[honourableone]

SWIM feels that slightly smaller amounts of Spice are needed when taking it orally, and he finds that it starts to kick in after one hour, unless SWIM is particularly full (when SWIM once had it kick in after two and a half hours). Then the effects build up gradually, and it should be at least an hour untill the peak effects are felt. SWIM finds that these peak effects do last longer with oral administration, and the effects fade much less quickly - the whole high is spread out but not weaker. SWIM prefers using Spice orally because of the increased duration, and because he finds it to be trippier.

SWIM only tried Magic Silver orally once, and he didn't get the effects he was expecting, although he was full, didn't have that much, and was drinking alcohol (SWIM would consider that experiment to be in no way conclusive). SWIM has also eaten Spice Diamond, Spice Gold, and Yucatan Fire, all of which were altered in the way described by the above paragraph.

[theshiftyshaman]

if swim was to put some spice diamond into regular sized capsules how many would he need to get the desired effects?

[honourableone]

You can't measure by the number of capsules, the amount they contain could vary hugely depending on how tight you pack them etc. Simply weight out a dose a bit smaller than a standard smoking dose for you, and have that.

If for some reason you have no scales, it would even be better to eye a standard dose (for you) into a rizla or bowl, then take some away. At least that way you are dosing in a format that you are used to, as opposed to guessing how much is in a capsule. Though really you should get scales; they are very cheap and for spice you wouldn't need them to be all that precise.

SWIM just chews and swallows when he uses smoking blends orally, he doesn't bother with capsules. There is a chance that SWIM's method could be more effective due to the increased surface area and no possibility of the spice clumping together (whereas it certainly won't be less effective), though SWIM has never tried using capsules (and probably never will just in case it is less effective).

[DrManglay]

SWIM consumed an entire 400 mg packet of Spice Gold, brewed into tea and then chewed and swallowed, and felt absolutely nothing.

The same 400 mg smoked would have melted SWIM into the carpet.

SWIM mentions this to caution that Spice effects can be highly individual when eaten. Please take it slow everyone and update us with SWIMMERs' experiences!

SWIM has also eaten Smoke to no effect, but other SWIMMERs told him eating Smoke was a dud for them also.

[Mona Lisa]

That's really surprising. Perhaps SWIY would have had better luck simply chewing and swallowing rather than fooling around with a tea because perhaps heating it destroys the actives.

[honourableone]

Originally Posted by DrManglay

SWIM consumed an entire 400 mg packet of Spice Gold, brewed into tea and then chewed and swallowed, and felt absolutely nothing.

I hear less consistent results when Spice is brewed as tea, as opposed to swallowed straight. I'm sure that CP47,497 is water insoluble, so that would make the process pointless at best, and I'm struggling to find any data regarding what the heat may do to it. SWIM has got results every time from just chewing and swallowing.

[Joel2k11]

SWIM swallowed about 300mg of spice diamond without chewing it. SWIM then reports waiting around for 2 hours and feeling nothing, so he went to bed. SWIM then woke up in the morning, and it felt as if he had just smoked a joint of spice. He says he felt pretty much the same for the entire day, with the high tapering off by about 11pm. The next day he woke up and felt normal again.

So I guess the conclusion is if you have something to do the next day don't eat spice before bed time.

[mr_who]

Swim thinks that making an alcohol extraction of spice diamond, might speed up the onset.

[commacabra]

SWIM would definitely be interested to hear MORE reports about someone who has tried
to consume either Aroma or Magic Silver, for these are SWIM's favorite blends.

He will be receiving some more shortly, and will give this a try and post the effects.

[msimm]

Originally Posted by commacabra

SWIM would definitely be interested to hear MORE reports about someone who has tried
to consume either Aroma or Magic Silver, for these are SWIM's favorite blends.

For Magic Silver you should pop over to the Magic Silver thread where it's been being discussed. If you have any specific questions about it ask them over there and I'm sure I (on behalf of swim) or someone else with experience will do their best to answer.

[Joel2k11]

SWIM would also like to add that everytime he has ingested spice / magic orally he has had, lets say, some rather "loose bowel movements" about 24 hours after ingestion.

Does anyone have an explanation for this? Is it simply that swims digestive system doesn't like these blends?

[msimm]

@Joel2k11 of the people I've known to ingest Magic none have reported anything similar. Could you provide a estimate of the amount ingested by swiy?

[Joel2k11]

swim ingested 150mg of magic silver

[Stu Bai]

Swim just eyeballed a small dose of Spice Diamond, chewed it, and swallowed it back with some water. Swim would estimate their was about half the size of a green rizla present. That is 50% of Swim's normal smoking dose however he has felt no effects in the past from Smoke or Magic Silver at simmilar doses.

Swim will keep you posted.

Stu Bai added 861 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Well, Swim felt nothing at all .

[honourableone]

Don't worry about it, it's always good to start extra low with anything new, to test the water. Half of your standard smoking dose isn't very much, and if you eyeballed it you could have even less - while SWIM often eyeballs smoking doses (a smoking paper is used as well, making this easier) of all but the most potent blends, he weighs out oral doses so he doesn't go too high or too low. If you don't have scales, putting some into a rizla would be the best way of eyeballing, then you could directly compare what you consume to a smoking dose.

SWIM's oral doses of Spice and Yucatan fire are only a bit lower than his smoking doses, for example 400mg smoked would be equivalent to 325-350mg taken orally in his opinion. Also, SWIM finds that eating too much before dosing rapidly lengthens the time needed for onset and the intensity of the high, so he prefers to have an almost empty stomach whenever he has an oral dose.