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Old 09-01-2009, 16:55
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How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

SWIM is wondering how long should good meth take to recrystallize? Normally, SWIM would see it recrystallize in about 5-15 seconds. However lately about three bowls have started to crystallize very slow. Takes FOREVER for it to start to solify- then recrystallizes unevenly in a polkadot pattern.

Does anyone have any ideas on what could take it so long to recrystalize? For a while it seems like it is semi-solid, however it is still liquid looking and 100% clear. After about 5mins it will turn totaly white.

Seen mixed resusts with the same gear in diffrent pipes. It has doen this in two diffrent pipes, however not every bowl.

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Old 09-01-2009, 20:38
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

SWIM has been seeing the same stuff recently. Does SWIY notice something about the smell? Does it smell different from the rest?
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Old 10-01-2009, 00:10
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

Yep, however I get annoyed and can't comment on the effects or taste because I'll stop smoking.

Any idea wtf this is?

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Old 10-01-2009, 10:34
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

What swiy has is probably unreacted ephedrine.when it cools down,and is no longer like a gel,try to scrape it off, and check to see if its powder,like the consistency of talc.
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:06
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

what lizards in the deserts of nevada and california are telling me, " good old cut " and a lot of it.

the content of a glass pipe will recrystalize in about twenty seconds or less afer flame is removed , when it takes a long time , its a cutting agent.

if the pookie ( meth pipe ) is the thick glass type then cool it down with a moist paper towel , and then the it should recrystalize imediatley, if it is real.

caution , do not try that with a homemade pipe or a thin store bought, it will crack.!!!!

this is the info a gathered from talking to the desert dwellers. the word bunk got used a lot in the conversation.
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Old 08-03-2009, 06:31
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

yep usually when it comes back it a polka dot pattern like that means that its cut with something like raid or something simular

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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

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SWIM is wondering how long should good meth take to recrystallize? Normally, SWIM would see it recrystallize in about 5-15 seconds. However lately about three bowls have started to crystallize very slow. Takes FOREVER for it to start to solify- then recrystallizes unevenly in a polkadot pattern.

Does anyone have any ideas on what could take it so long to recrystalize? For a while it seems like it is semi-solid, however it is still liquid looking and 100% clear. After about 5mins it will turn totaly white.

Seen mixed resusts with the same gear in diffrent pipes. It has doen this in two diffrent pipes, however not every bowl.

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Hate to revive an ancient post, but today My Little Pony tells me that he got some stuff that sounds exactly like this. Do any SWIY's out there know what this is cut with or how to clean it
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:53
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

Hmm, It sounds similar to MSM. MSM is believed to be a popular substance used when cutting methamphetamine. Perhaps try to recrystalize? Look around on the forums for a tutorial. MSM runs down the foil and then appears to gel up, instead of "crack back".
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Old 08-03-2011, 14:45
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

My pet Sloth slowly but surely just said he believes what your referring to could possibly be: N-isopropylbenzylamine HCl a crap cutting agent that mimics meth, except for the part when it very slowly recrystallizes and leaves a pinwheel type pattern in the pookie. My Sloth also muttered that it tends to produce a headache shortly after toking. For more information about this go here:

usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/journal_v6_num12/pg4 dot html

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Old 23-05-2011, 15:56
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

i believe moisture in the air at the time of RX'n and smoking are major contributing factors. WTF is cut.. dont have that problem in my neck of the woods. heheheh
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Old 25-05-2011, 12:15
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

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What swiy has is probably unreacted ephedrine.when it cools down,and is no longer like a gel,try to scrape it off, and check to see if its powder,like the consistency of talc.
I contacted a meth recovery center. They were ever so kind as to have an unknown recovering meth user contact me. This is what they said:

Sounds like unreacted ephedrine (cook was incomplete). Oily amber color, thinkens as it dries, funky unpleasent slight minty or medicine taste (THE TASTE OF FAILURE), leaves an odor when exhaled, does not crack back (Not sure about correct use of term, Crack Back).

Under Processed Cook - Crystalizes in a kaleidscope pattern (little
circles) as it dries.
Completely Processed - Crystalizes in a feathering-like pattern as it dries.

I tried to atch picture to give you a better idea of the patterns they described. I'm not sure if it worked.

They also said that a lot of times, underprocessed cook is the result of shake & bake.
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Old 26-05-2011, 08:04
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

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What swiy has is probably unreacted ephedrine.when it cools down,and is no longer like a gel,try to scrape it off, and check to see if its powder,like the consistency of talc.

Olde hit it right on the nose. If it's parachuting back in circles, it's ephedrine. MSM comes back like the real deal, my dog said he seen this in a DARE presentation at school.
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Old 27-05-2011, 07:18
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

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Olde hit it right on the nose. If it's parachuting back in circles, it's ephedrine. MSM comes back like the real deal, my dog said he seen this in a DARE presentation at school.
Parachuting back -- Ooohhhh, that makes perfect sense. (Wonder what "crack back" really means.) Oh well, I think Olde hit it on the nose too.
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Old 04-06-2011, 07:26
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

"Got the same recently in LV, also." is what this random tourist just said. He needs to stop reading my screen when he walks by. Lots of black dots, slow to recrystalize, feels like gel when scraping it, and looks oily. He said he assumed it was heavily cut, but same source is usually good. Weird. One would assume something went wrong with the cooking, since it only happened once from the same source.
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

Some dude just had this happen again. The whole bag was good, then on the last load of the piece, it does that gel crap. Twice it happened and always after he loads the last bit. is the cut heavier that it all ends up at the bottom of the sack? Every bowl from the same sack before the last is good.
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

As this is my first post, & being that I am only inquiring on behalf of the fairy wife of my red headed step childs babysitter, I hate to revive (again?) an obviously dead thread, but the fairy has recently came to me in search of answers, I am after all, the answer queen. =)

Fairys issue is just this:

SHe advised me of a recent trip to the city during which she aquired some form of apparent look alike substance.
She observed upon examination that there was no discernable odor, nneither as is or upon heating in the approiate clean skillet; the smoke is thin upon initial heating but if heated to meth melting temp thickens approipriately to where it appears like the real thing, & this hotter temp smoke is verry heavy, as it should be when its the real thing;

the problems only become apparent upon removal of the heat source:
* time to crack back from removal=in upwards of 2minutes40seconds..
*appearance after CB has occured= milky, uneven & chunky-ish...( ughhhh! )
*reactions= none to speak of but this fairy is apprehensive to smoke much so any real reactions might be only felt upon ingestion of a greater quantity.


Any ideas what could be going on?

Next, any ideas what steps could be taken to recover/enhance this substNCE IN ORDER TO END UP WITH WHAT IS DESIRED?

La_Kranqilla added 4 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

Also , I must forward on to you that this Fairy just told me she has going on 17yrs studying this subject & has seen this picture after CB before. But that it was not similar in anyother form .no msm like characteritics either. The fairy also sayd to tell you all thank you for your time!

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Old 04-09-2011, 04:13
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

I'll try to give you a short but thorough explanation on what you are dealing with so that you can get a better understanding.

Back in the day (10 years ago) MSM was the shit, you could crystallize it or mix it in while boiling down your chili and easily add 10% to 20% to your finished product. When melted it looked very close to the real deal except MSM would "run" towards the hole in your pizzo and the "legs" where not as tight as GoGo's. They were wider as apposed to GoGo's when no cut looks like a "woven fiberglass mat" once it cracked back. MSM was also very easy to pull out of your chili if you know what you were doing, by either an ice cold anhydrous acetone wash or by a heating method which I don't need to explain but in a minute you'll understand what I'm talking about.

MSM is rarely used anymore in the majority of the Street "Hope" that's out there, due to a number reasons but mainly it's organic structure itself is no longer "Dealer Friendly" when it comes to a buyer being able to easily detect the GoGo's been cut with it.

What you are describing are the effects of "ISO" Isopropylbenzylamine has taken over by swarm as "THE" cut. A brief science lesson for you, should clear up the picture for you rather easily. First let's look at the melting points of three organic compounds "very" closely.

Methyl Sulfonyl Methane (MSM) or "dimethylsulfone" mp 109C = 228.2F

N-Isopropylbenzylamine hydrochloride mp 192.0C - 193.3C = 377.6F - 379.94F

d-Methamphetamine hydrocloride 172.0C - 174C = 341.6F - 345.2F

MSM's melting point is over 117F LOWER than Methamphetamine's high point, which accounts for the previously mentioned "heat" method to remove MSM. Basically if a Giraffe had a large amount he could theoretically crush it all up and spread it out thinly in a Pyrex dish and place it in a convection oven at about 250F and raise the temp just to the point where the MSM starts to smoke. Once the MSM is all burned out it'll stop smoking and the Giraffe would have all chili left over since he never got it close to being hot enough to melt it.

Now for the low down on what has fucked everyone since it's discovery.

N-Isopropylbenzylamine hydrochloride melting point is 34F HIGHER than Tina's high side mp 192.0C - 193.3C = 377.6F - 379.94F

d-Methamphetamine hydrocloride 172.0C - 174C = 341.6F - 345.2F

More importantly it's molecular properties formula is nearly "IDENTICAL" to Methamphetamine HCI.

Molecular formula for ISO is "C10H15N" with a Molar mass of 149.23 g mol−1

Molecular formula for Meth is "C10H15N" with a Molar mass of 149.233 g/mol

ISO will actually test positive for Methamphetamine and due to the "higher" melting point this would explain your product taking a while longer to crackback once it is all melted. ISO will actually burn and once the gaak is blown off actually taste like Tina only it makes you about has high as a half a cup of instant coffee if your lucky.


This one eyed Billy Goat suggests you take all your gear and crush it up and mix it as best as possible. This will ensure that you receive the same shitty results regardless of what vessel you use. You are getting inconsistencies because of the uneven disbursement of the "Hope".

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melting point temps very useful,
great info explaining what the different cutting agents are
well thought out and interesting post

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Old 05-09-2011, 21:08
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

Very nice post Infringe, well done. Couple more questions for you if you could. I'm not having any issues now just for general knowledge. Does iso taste bitter like D? When smoked it mimics meth except slow CB but I was wondering when the bowl is done is it clean like a D bowl or is there dis coloration? Thanks
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Old 08-09-2011, 21:31
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

Metham will recrytal in 5-10 seconds, the best quality will have white colors and look like broken as ice when suddenly change temple.... It's expensive metham, all swim like it
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

should be able to rub thumb against bottom of bowl after hit and puddle will recrystalize instantly
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:30
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

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should be able to rub thumb against bottom of bowl after hit and puddle will recrystalize instantly
Interesting. You go first.

Maybe I don't understand. Pure meth melts at, what, 365F? The specific heat of glass is greater than that of meth so you have heated the bulb to well over the meth melting temp in order to get that minimum heat to the dope. And now you're going to touch it?

Anyway, I keep a damp (not dripping wet) cloth or paper towel with lighter. I touch the thing to the bowl to take the heat below MP. The melt will immediately recrystallize.

If I don't do this, the melt will continue to fume until its temp drops. At least mine does. Maybe that varies with the dope. Other than assuring you don't spill the melt out the hole, I guess the only reason to induce recrystallization is to stop the fuming and save dope.

I assume everyone is using a pipe made of borosilicate glass (brand X red chinese glass like trade names Pyrex or Kimax). It will withstand the sudden cooling from a damp rag, but liquid water from a dripping rag will crack it. Glass that is not borosilicate will not withstand any fast cooling at all and will shatter. At least if you fuck up borosilicate it will just crack.

The question is, "how fast should neth recrystallize." I have looked at this but so far I do not have enough data to find a pattern. Meth from the same batch tested under the same conditions returns different (significantly different) recrystallization times. A person with lab experience would say that there is an unknown variable I'm not controlling for. But the gig could not be simpler and more obvious so I'm stumped. Maybe there's an ultra-low frequency vibration.

That said, I can offer some info about control patterns rather than control times. Even though I can't contribute to answering the OP, readers may find this useful:

Patterns in fast vs. ambient recrystallization: I have played around with this on a proper lab drying glass, easier to see than in a pipe plus the surface is ground to a standard finish so results will be reproducible.

It appears to me that the higher the purity, the more recrystallization patterns are independent of time. The crystal *size* from a melt will be larger if cooled slowly and smaller if cooled fast, but you need a magnifying glass or better yet a dissecting microscope to see this. But the *pattern* will be approximately the same fast vs. slow if the meth is high purity.

Where I have sees obvious differences in patterns as a function of cooling time is with adulterated meth. Same sample cooled fast vs. slow will look very different.

These results fit with what I know about crystals in general but that needs a paper, not 5,000 words in a message thread. I don't know about books for chemists about crystallization. I got my info from a geology textbook, specifically one about mineralogy. The classic text in the US is Dana's Mineralogy.

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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

Hello, swim is new here so swim will try his best. The crystal swim smokes i always recrystallizes in a max of three (3) seconds. Swim also knows that he gets lab quality product, so please keep in mind swims ice is not cut. When swim smokes he still cracks back his bowl even tho he knows the first hit of pure is almost unreal. Swim cracks back his bowl to make sure it breaks in straight lines not crazy patterns and if the cracks overlap swim knows thats bunk. Swim is not trying to brag but if you get quality product and proper technique swim will smoke one bowl in a sitting with his two friends and be high for at least 40 to 56 hours and will short nap the second night. When swim finishes a bowlo he smokes it til there is absolutely nothing left, because of the purity the inside of swims bowl doesnt get the nasty burnt dope and cut. However the outside sometimes getsdirty with burnt impurities from swims and others hands, coolies, ect. For this wet paper towel and cigarette ashes. Swim has to work now so this post is over swim hopes he helps you and remember hygiene and productivity are more important than anything. But by finding a dealer who sells pure glass all the time will save you health money and guarantees you a businessman type of dealer not someone sketchy
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by finding a dealer who sells pure glass all the time guarantees you a businessman type of dealer not someone sketchy
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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

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Very nice post Infringe, well done. Couple more questions for you if you could. I'm not having any issues now just for general knowledge. Does iso taste bitter like D? When smoked it mimics meth except slow CB but I was wondering when the bowl is done is it clean like a D bowl or is there dis coloration? Thanks
This gorilla tells me it all depends on how they synthesized the ISO to begin with. The pic that I had posted was the work of a chemist that synthesized it (cooked it) to look that way. That's not the way it comes off the shelf, but the way the "better" chefs are putting out their finished products these days.

The gorilla says he has personally indulged in pure ISO that was an exact replica of the real deal appearance wise. Apie tells me it has a distinct "medicine" like taste to it at the beginning of roll call that disappears to a plain tasting and completely disguised replica only there are absolutely no rush or legs at all, in fact it feels like you think your about to launch but it never happens, it's more like you drank some high octane coffee at most.

As far as the left over residue is concerned, Apies batch was actually cleaner than most of the so called real currently served up. He calls the shit out there now "Hope" because you actually "Hope" your getting "Dope" this time. Without a doubt it could get people hurt if not worse that are trying to pass it off as the real deal. But Apie hasn't seen the "Real Deal" for over 10 years, that was at least 96% pure GO-GO that gave an Ape a hard on that would last for hours half way through taking a hit. Contrary to what some monkeys have stated regarding how the bomb should taste, Apie swears that the "Buttered Popcorn" or "Almonds" and the BOMB "Pistachio Ice Cream" tasting batches where by far the absolute best ever.

But WTF does he know he's just an Ape trying to get by in a world full of funky monkeys

Hope that sheds some light on your question for you.



iNFRiNGE added 311 Minutes and 45 Seconds later...

To answer your question "properly" as you asked it I'll give you a "concrete" answer followed by a short explanation as to why it looks like some bullshit answer.

Q: How long should good meth take to "recrystallize"?

A: From about 5 minutes to well over 24 hours depending on the method used!

"Recrystallization"
is a procedure for purifying compounds, (cleaning dirty dope, removing cut, building stronger dope etc.) therefore I provided you with an accurate reply to your question.

What I believe you meant to ask was:

How long should good meth take to crystallize or crack-back?


Just so we are clear, crystallize a.k.a. cracking-back is the transformation from a liquid state to a solid after being heated for smoking purposes.

What is considered "good" to the OP or another user may be considered trash to my Gorilla, so you are going to get all kinds of answers that may not even relate to what the OP considers "good".

As far as how long should it take, there is no "set time" as there are way to many variables involved that directly effect the time to crack-back as I will point out a few for you here.
  • Quality of product
  • Purity
  • How much cut is in the product
  • Type of cut used
  • Method used for smoking (foil or glass pipe)
  • If glass pipe what kind (Cheap Ass Chinese Machine Blown $2-$5 Piece of Shit, Hand Blown From Lab Grade Stock, Standard Wall, Heavy Wall "a.k.a Double Thick")
And the list goes on and on it's honestly ridiculous to try and give you a set time since the question will only bring shitloads of contradictory replies, which I'm sure you can see why now.

Hope this helps.

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Re: How long should good meth take to recrystallize?

I believe Frognuts and many others would like to know what techniques they should do in order to achieve the best or better results if they smoke or are considering smoking Meth. There are portions of previous posts that will hinder this for various reasons and I will address each of them for you now.

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Originally Posted by shelang View Post
should be able to rub thumb against bottom of bowl after hit and puddle will recrystalize instantly
First of all, I would NOT recommend anyone touch a freshly smoked bowl for obvious safety reasons but you DO NOT want your D to crack-back "instantly" or fast at all. I'll explain a couple of quotes down as to why.

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Anyway, I keep a damp (not dripping wet) cloth or paper towel with lighter. I touch the thing to the bowl to take the heat below MP. The melt will immediately recrystallize.
Even lab glass stresses under this circumstance of extreme temp changes (hot to cold) it may not break but you will weaken and shorten your pipes life significantly and more importantly you DO NOT want fast crystallization.


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If I don't do this, the melt will continue to fume until its temp drops. At least mine does. Maybe that varies with the dope. Other than assuring you don't spill the melt out the hole, I guess the only reason to induce recrystallization is to stop the fuming and save dope.
This happens when a person improperly overheats portions of the bowl they shouldn't I assume that's the reason you are cold flashing your pipe is to stop it from "fuming" or vaporizing which is the correct term. If it's not "fuming" you're not losing any dope for future reference.

The best way to eliminate this from happening and probably the best technique for smoking out of a glass pipe is to picture your bowl is a clock, the hole in the top is 12 o'clock, the bottom of the bowl 6 o'clock etc. Depending on the kind of lighter you use will determine how fast your get your Go-Go going but start by heating the bottom of the bowl, from 5 to 7 o' clock.

Once you get a puddle going move your flame to the 6 o'clock position and DO NOT move it as you make this change start rocking your pipe from side to side so that the top hole rocks from about 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock. Keeping your flame at the 6 o'clock position you should immediately notice that your puddle only produces smoke, fumes or vaporizes when it hits the 7-8 o'clock and 4-5 o'clock areas and stops when it flows passed 6 o'clock. DO NOT OVERHEAT, you'll learn quickly when to pull the heat. Once you pull the heat continue taking your hit and doing the 10 to 2 until it stops smoking. If it hasn't cracked-back but stopped smoking keep rocking from 10 to 2 until it cracks back, however it usually cracks-back soon after the smoke stops.

Remember if it's not smoking you're not losing anything. Unless of course you are boiling it due to being overheated.

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Originally Posted by Garand View Post
The question is, "how fast should neth recrystallize." I have looked at this but so far I do not have enough data to find a pattern. Meth from the same batch tested under the same conditions returns different (significantly different) recrystallization times. A person with lab experience would say that there is an unknown variable I'm not controlling for. But the gig could not be simpler and more obvious so I'm stumped. Maybe there's an ultra-low frequency vibration.
This usually will happen when a person does not crush up all of their dope making sure it's well mixed prior to smoking it. What happens if you don't do this is, no 2 bowls will be the same consistency in regards to how it cracks back, purity or potency if the batch was cut.

Unless you cooked it yourself realize it was more than likely produced in a clandestine laboratory and whether they are cutting it pre or post evaporation the cut is not dispersed evenly or consistently throughout the entire batch. So some shards if it's glass or ice will have a larger amount of cut in them then others. You may get a shard that has very little cut in it and it will smoke completely different than another shard that may be mostly cut. Ever notice one bowl smokes cleaner, leaving less residue than another?

For this reason what you want to do is crush up all of your dope together, in a baggie or however you choose and make sure it's mixed up well enough and then pack a bowl. You'll see more consistency now because no matter how uneven the cut was originally dispersed it is now evenly distributed.

I think you get the picture.

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It appears to me that the higher the purity, the more recrystallization patterns are independent of time. The crystal *size* from a melt will be larger if cooled slowly and smaller if cooled fast, but you need a magnifying glass or better yet a dissecting microscope to see this. But the *pattern* will be approximately the same fast vs. slow if the meth is high purity.
This is NOT entirely true, well the only true part is the fact that slower cooling produces larger crystals.

As I mentioned above I will now explain why you do not want to crystallize fast.

I mentioned about not having unevenly distributed cut (impurities) in your bowl. When you flash cool your liquid meth down too quickly you not only hurt the meth molecules but you trap more impurities than a slow crystallization. So if you take all your meth and prep it as stated above and them melt down your product let it slowly cool down while rocking pipe back and forth (10-2) and let it continue smoking while doing this until it cracks back, do this a second time with out taking a hit until it cracks back. You will notice and unbelievable difference in the quality once you take your hit because most if not all of the cut and impurities will have been removed now by doing this.


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Where I have sees obvious differences in patterns as a function of cooling time is with adulterated meth. Same sample cooled fast vs. slow will look very different.
I answered this above and deals with the unevenly distributed cut, which will cause these differences.


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Originally Posted by Garand View Post
These results fit with what I know about crystals in general but that needs a paper, not 5,000 words in a message thread. I don't know about books for chemists about crystallization. I got my info from a geology textbook, specifically one about mineralogy. The classic text in the US is Dana's Mineralogy.
You a should research and reference material for organic compounds which is what Methamphetamine is, or inorganic chemistry and organic synthesis.


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Originally Posted by Skeezy View Post
Hello, swim is new here so swim will try his best. The crystal swim smokes i always recrystallizes in a max of three (3) seconds.
Highly improbable due to variables factor. I'm curious as to what you are using to heat your GO with.

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Swim also knows that he gets lab quality product, so please keep in mind swims ice is not cut.
When swim smokes he still cracks back his bowl even tho he knows the first hit of pure is almost unreal.
Swim cracks back his bowl to make sure it breaks in straight lines not crazy patterns and if the cracks overlap swim knows thats bunk.
This is one if not the best examples of contradiction and bastardization of a natural occurrence I've ever seen in one paragraph.

SWIM gets "Lab Quality Product" that is "not cut" yet SWIM cracks back his bowl to make sure there's no crazy patterns or overlapping cracks indicating it's bunk. Hmmm that's one hell of a LAB you are getting your UNCUT product from that you have to verify the LAB QUALITY PRODUCT is not bunk.

Mmmm, you still crack back your bowl even though you know the first hit is "almost unreal" WTF does that mean? You are a modern marvel, for "still" doing a procedure that is unavoidable and occurs naturally when smoking meth "cracking-back" is the transformation from a liquid state to a solid after being heated for smoking purposes. I bet you even able to do this after every hit also and don't want to brag about it either.

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Swim is not trying to brag but if you get quality product and proper technique swim will smoke one bowl in a sitting with his two friends and be high for at least 40 to 56 hours and will short nap the second night. When swim finishes a bowlo he smokes it til there is absolutely nothing left, because of the purity the inside of swims bowl doesnt get the nasty burnt dope and cut.
Wowzerz! Even with that Lab Grade Quality Bunk stuff, that is quite impressive.

Even 100% pure D-Methamphetamine HCI will leave behind traces, hell DH2O will leave a trace even.

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However the outside sometimes getsdirty with burnt impurities from swims and others hands, coolies, ect. For this wet paper towel and cigarette ashes.
Ashes Use a "Magic Eraser" or better yet learn how to use a torch lighter.

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Swim has to work now so this post is over swim hopes he helps you and remember hygiene and productivity are more important than anything.
A persons health and safety as well as those around you is most important.

Eventually most meth users hygiene goes out the window however, their productivity for shit that is meaningless shoots through the roof, it's simply amazing .

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But by finding a dealer who sells pure glass all the time will save you health money and guarantees you a businessman type of dealer not someone sketchy
WTF? I'm just gonna have to assume SWIM was on a good one with that Lab Quality Uncut Possibly Bunk Product, and leave that one alone and hope this helps some of you folks out.

Last edited by iNFRiNGE; 27-09-2011 at 16:53. Reason: Corrected my typonese

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