Do RC Suppliers really send more?

[phenethylamine]

swimhas never seen any miscalculated weight distribution going on with any RC suppliers that have been delt with by swim. However, there was an occassion where swim ordered 2c-e and actually recieved 2c-p. This would have been a serious surprise if this mistake was not caught (which it was, at the last minute) Always remember that the best thing to do is to have sensitive scales that can tell you (at the very least) a very close readout to the actual weight, and always make sure to check the label on the vial, to be sure it is what you had in mind.

[TheLight01]

I never got less, its usually 0.01 - 0.09 more

[robertone]

There's a simple reason for getting a bit more, if you would get more then 5% less you would probably take up the phone and file a complain, even thinking about suing the b*d. Putting in a little more, for small quantities mostly about 10%, prevents many complains. But between words, don't think you get something extra, it's all in the price you paid. The largest "extra" I ever got was about 20%.


There is also a second reason to add a little "extra" weight to the order.A impurity could be seen as not the material ordered, so if you ordered for 1 gram 2-cb of [at least] 95% purity, you should receive 1.053 gram material, to have 1 gram 2-cb for research.


Unless it's a handling mistake,receiving the quadruple amount, likepunkanini mentioned above, is, at my opinion, very unlikely. Besides that, any serious supplier would print the packed amount (with or without the calculated amount pure material) on the label.

[Richard_smoker]

Just a little word to the wise...

it appears that some of the RC that SWIM has received in the last few days are not NEARLY as potent as they weigh out to be. In other words, beware the age-old concept of 'cutting'... just because they're RC's doesn't mean that they're in infinite supply.

I'm just speculating here, but SWIM is almost 100% certain that this week's samplings were not anywhere near as potent as November's.

If anyone else can chime in here--I know i'm skirting close to the edge of what's against the rules here, so I'll shut up. But if anyone has had recent similar experiences, please post your experiences, but don't break the rules. I just want to make sure SWIM isn't losing his mind...

Or perhaps something in the transit process (i.e. heat? cold??) changed it... but we all know this isn't possible. SWIM was victim of a damn cutter.

[radiometer]

In the past, some vendors have been known to send products which are of lower than expected potency, and thus most likely cut. Heat in transit is also a possibility, as you suggest.


Regarding the original topic, I will reiterate: SWIM has gotten up to 10-20% more than ordered, and has heard of vendors who ship significantly less than ordered.

Once SWIM asked for .5g of something from a vendor and was sent 1g! It was not labelled - SWIM would never have known without a scale. Even the most honest dealers and vendors are human, and thus prone to error.

Let's not forget - all suppliers have a phrase like this in their terms and conditions:

By purchasing any material you acknowledge that you work for or own a research company, are a legitimate scientific researcher with a proper laboratory facility and are skilled in the art of handling hazardous materials.

That means you have a scale.

Anything can happen, the only way to know what you've got is to WEIGH IT YOURSELF!

[Richard_smoker]

WOW! that's crazy... I think we all know (deep down inside) that there are way too many people amongst us--SWIM-->who don't have capacities/means/energy/whatever to weigh something that is outside the gram and 100's of milligrams for whatever reason.

and I'm afraid that we all know the temptation to take their word for it about how much is included in a 'sample.'

But that seriously blows my mind radio... .5g was ordered and DOUBLE was sent!! that should make LOTS of SWIMs think twice about eyeballing/lazy-eye-ing/trusting whoever's on the other end other internet and their capacity to weigh out their own products!

[Nagognog2]

Look at is this way: If you want to make a good rooting compound for plant cuttings - of all varieties - you order some 3-indolebutyric acid. So you need to use a good scale as this stuff is extremely potent. You use too much, ya kill your plants.

Now give me one reason why someone would not do the same thing for an animal as they would for a plant? I, unfortunately, know the answer.

"Buy a scale, you lazy bastard!"

[Silence_Inc]

i think it has to do with money dude .. a scale is not in my budget, as my appartement cost nearly all i got ... we're not all grown-up and working and earning lot's of money ... it's like saying - you like nature? well, BUY A CAR THAT DOESN'T POLLUTE!... .

''you bastardo - yeah - just plain bastardo!"

gnagnognagnoe

[Nagognog2]

"If you CAN afford RC's, but CAN'T afford a scale - your priorities require the services of a proctologist to find."

[daeron]

in the above two posts of Nags we have two chatch phrases of our forum...were becoming like a antipropaganda propaganda show...um..thingie.

plus it seems we have two gebels..esesesess here too-radio and pink if i remember well.

i love when i contrubute like this

[daeron]

in a voice that makes you think,for some strange reason, that the speaker has blond hair:
Tired of the filthy solutin dosing? Focred to bee sober cos you could never master the eyballin of fluffy powers?
Want to make cutting edge 18mg contributions like daerons? Now YOU CAN!

BUY A FUCKIN SCALE TODAY YER LAZY BASTARD!

[Silence_Inc]

well - that's - euhm - like - your opinion DUDE!!!



a proctologist to find ! goddamn ... . i even had to google to understand what you said ... .

ha! you freak ... .

yeah, i understand - i'll ask Santa ... .

btw - who was that lazy ass that took 3000 mcgrams!!! .. i bet a proctologist should follow him down an even deeper rectal tunnel to find his priorities!!

[nanobrain]

Silence, pull it out now. get a cheaper pad so you can afford a scale, or stop using research chemicals. and stop whining, ie read the RC forum rules.

now, back on topic. i was recently rather shocked to discover that a well-meaning supplier has sent me 1.5 x the ordered amount - labelled as the ordered weighed dose - of a microgram-stong very very long acting psych...

unless weighed w/precision, disaster would have been inevitable.

[Richard_smoker]

Wow, thanks nano. that's really scary.

I don't know why, but for some reason, SWIM's been trusting of the source's weights, and then SWIM weighs out the cutter/liquid suspension/etc. and then goes from there.

SWIM will no longer do such acts of stupidity. thanks to your insight.

[nanobrain]

the supplier decided to casually mention the fact apropos, thankfully before the material was handled - 'oh yeah, i weighed it heavy for you for....'

its all good if you have a calibrated, validated scale otherwise one could pull a major Ricaurte.

[Beeker]

right before XXXXXXXXXX got busted way back I got 50mg extra 2c-I.. even wrote it on the bag.

NO Sources. Regardless of status.

[illuminati boy]

On another board there were reportedly several persons who appear to have received DOC instead of 2C-C! Even if the weight was ‘spot on,’ they would be in for one hell of a nasty surprise if they were looking to give the lab monkeys a ‘mild’ 30 mg. dose! Best to treat each batch as a unknown until otherwise verified. One has heard of 2C-E / 2C-C and 2C-I / DOC mix-ups being reported on other boards as well. All humans have an error rate. When money is involved it is usually fairly small, but no lab is perfect.

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[Voices]

^^^OUCH! That is why swim takes 1mg of all compounds before trying an active dose. That and I figure if I'm going to have a toxic/allergic reaction to anything, I'd rather react to 1mg than to 20mgs.

SWIM also has an imaginary friend who ordered 100mg DOC and received 88mg. And I don't understand how anyone could threaten or threaten to sue these supliers, as that would attract attention to the fact you're injesting these analogs. In fact, it would be hard to email them saying "I will, in the future use a different supplier", because swim could count his DOC sources on one finger.

[joechip666]

Originally Posted by illuminati boy

One has heard of 2C-E / 2C-C and 2C-I / DOC mix-ups being reported on other boards as well.

Is there any information on how the commonly used reagents (Marquis, Mecke, Simons) react with the DOx series?

This page has some reactions (are they accurate?), but doesn't include any of the DOx series. Any information on reactions with the DOx series would be very useful.

[illuminati boy]

The DEA Microgram Journal has information on these topics. Such as:

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Color Test Reagents
Ehrlich’s Reagent : 0.5 g of para-dimethylaminobenzaldehyde (p-DMAB) in a mixture containing 50 mL of ethyl alcohol and 50 mL concentrated hydrochloric acid [5]. Marquis Reagent: 100 mL formaldehyde in 1000 mL concentrated sulfuric acid [5].


Color Testing
Testing each of the tryptamine analogues with the Ehrlich’s reagent produced the same change in color from purple to blue, except for DPT HCl, which produced a violet color change and 5-MeO-MIPT which changed from purple to a faint blue. In the presence of the Marquis reagent, each tryptamine analogue produced the same color change from yellow to black, except for DPT HCl which gave a yellow color only, as shown in Table 1.

Table 1: Results of Color Testing.

“Designer” Tryptamine | Ehrlich’s Reagent | Marquis Reagent
N,N-DPT HCl | violet | yellow
5-MeO-DMT | purple to blue | yellow to black
5-MeO-MIPT | purple to faint blue | yellow to black
5-MeO-DIPT HCl | purple to blue | yellow to black
5-MeO-AMT HCl | purple to blue | yellow to black




From Microgram Journal Volume 3, Numbers 1-2

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Color Tests
A purple color was observed when the sample was subjected to the para-dimethylaminobenzaldehyde (PDMAB) reagent test. [This result, along with the fact that sugar cubes were used as the supporting media, explain why the submitting agency believed the exhibits contained LSD.]
However, a cherry red color was observed when the sample was subjected to the sodium nitroprusside reagent test, suggesting a tryptamine. This result was then compared to three tryptamine standards (Table 1). The results suggested the presence of a primary amine with an alpha-methyltryptamine moiety (Figure 2) - and not a secondary amine with an N-methyltryptamine moiety (Figure 3).

Tryptamine | Sodium Nitroprusside Test

alpha-Methyltryptamine | Cherry Red

N-Methyltryptamine | Purple

5-Methoxy-alpha-methyltryptamine | Cherry Red

Table 1: Sodium Nitroprusside Reagent Test Results

From Microgram Journal Volume 1, Numbers 3-4




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PS The tables did not copy as well as they could have.