Health - To much lsd?

[LoveSpaceDance!]

Hey there,

Swim just has one or two little questions.


Swim has started taking lsd over that last 3 years. Starting off he only took it every now again, say 3 times in the first year. Recently he has been doing it once a month roughly, and reckons it will be like this on and off now for the next while.

Swim was just wondering if this was to much LSD to be taking to frequently? He has heard of LSD changing peoples personalities? Swim wonders would taking this much LSD make you less intelligent?

Because he does not know anyone who has been taking acid for a long time, he would like to know if there is anyone here who has been taking it for a long time and feels fine and exactly he same? Or does anyone here know people who took it for a long time, and are different because of it now?

Many thanks
LittleSpaceDemon.

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by LoveSpaceDance!

Hey there,

Swim just has one or two little questions.


Swim has started taking lsd over that last 3 years. Starting off he only took it every now again, say 3 times in the first year. Recently he has been doing it once a month roughly, and reckons it will be like this on and off now for the next while.

Swim was just wondering if this was to much LSD to be taking to frequently? He has heard of LSD changing peoples personalities? Swim wonders would taking this much LSD make you less intelligent?

Because he does not know anyone who has been taking acid for a long time, he would like to know if there is anyone here who has been taking it for a long time and feels fine and exactly he same? Or does anyone here know people who took it for a long time, and are different because of it now?

Many thanks
LittleSpaceDemon.

mostly the only peoples personalities it could change are people with underlying mental conditions, well these are (the more delicate ones) sometimes it helps them & sometimes does'nt. swiy is fine taking as reguraly as once a month. only way it could change ones personality is to open ones mind more, thus letting swey see the truth. so smurf says don't worry & have fun with this lovely psychedelic. till now if swiy has'nt noted any negative effects affecting anyone around him & feels pretty much the same, then it is fine for swiy & it's all goooood. once a month is probably the best amount of time to wait before having it anyways, as tolerance is really pretty much gone after a month. lsd definetly won't make swiy less intelligent, could be a bit misleading now & then but it will definetly prove to be rather therapeutic to other drugs & possibly superior too. smurf has been taking lsd for many years often & knows other swimmers that have too & they the same people today as years ago.

smurf recommends not having more often than once a month as too much ego death can cause complications in some peoples lives, we all need our egos to a certain extent. also if the doses are moderate & circumstances always good it should be smooth sailing for swey.

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Good, reassuring advice.

[Corksil]

only peoples personalities it could change are people with underlying mental conditions

SWIM feels this is a bold statement.

SWIM began usage a long time ago on a monthly basis, then it grew to a weekly basis. He was eating about 3 or 4 hits a weekend every friday night. Then SWIM felt as if he wanted to do more, took a camping trip into the forest, and ended up downing 100 hits in a week. He stumbled out of the trees a changed person. It is true LSD can change your personality, or atleast make it seem so to others. SWIM is still the same person he was years ago, he just acts differently. He has the same interests, same moods, same taste, and pretty much everything else. However to put it bluntly, it seems he has stopped giving a f*ck in general. He used to hear a group of ppl arguing about something and come up and butt in and exert his opinion and his outlook on the group but now he's quite content to sit quietly and listen. He used to enjoy going back and forth for hours sharing points and trying to make ppl see things the way he does but now he's content to say "I feel differently, we are each entitled to our opinions."

SWIM feels that week in the forest battered his ego almost to nothing. It seems nowadays he's more content to just be, instead of trying to be right all the time. Others tell SWIM he talks less nowadays... which doesn't bother him in the slightest.

However -- mileage may vary, and the same chemical can have profoundly different effects on two different ppl. Once a month is pretty gradual in SWIMs opinion, and SWIY should be fine w/this dosage. B-vitamins, sleep, nutrition, excercise, and good social interaction all come highly recommended.

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you're right rather bold, thanx for stating that.

[LoveSpaceDance!]

Hey thanks for both of your replies there are both quite comforting for me to hear really.

In the case of poster 2, you speak of the person who went and took 100 hits in a week, that is amazing to swim.

The changed person you speak of doesnt seem so bad to swim, infact it sounds like a person who is more in touch with inner peace...

[cra$h]

Swim knows an acid burnout. He's just kind of dulled out, spacey. And he has a twitch. Not really too smart, but swim didn't know him before he got this way, but you can just tell it just spaced out his mind. I guess it depend on why you trip. If it's for insight, it could drasticly change a person, possilby for the worse. Or if it's just for fun (then don't even drop, you people ruin it) you might be alright, or it'll get too intense, changing you for most likely the short term.

[Corksil]

SWIM had tolerance issues - that's why he did so much. 4 hits the first day, 8 the next, 20 after that, then the last bit in one go. Something like that, he was a little out of it...

Yeh, LSD burnouts. SWIM keeps hearing stories about them... SWIM sometimes feels dull and spacey etc etc, but he's pretty sure that's how he often comes across even when he isn't feeling that way. Looking at someone doesn't always shed light on the way they feel or what they are thinking. As SWIM said, he's more content to just sit and be - ppl like to label things they don't understand though, so his friends call him lots of things. As SWIM also said, he's content to let them think what they want - instead of stepping up and trying to prove he's right all the time about things they might not understand.

[LoveSpaceDance!]

Well swim hopes the names arent to bad and that they are just nicknames more so than trying to be offensive when swiy are called them.

Does swiy find himself unhappy after his experience?

[Corksil]

Yeh all in good fun. SWIM tells me it's hard to answer a question like that. He feels he did some hard thinking in that forest, and came to some conclusions that he might not have come to if he didn't think so hard. ie was not tripped out of his mind wired for days on end frying his brain. SWIM feels he benefited from the experience in many ways and it helped him grow and change into a more advanced and refined version of himself. Some small form of evolution even - however he is aware he sees the world differently and could never see it the way he used to in his naiivity. He wouldn't go back if he could, he's glad he's had the experience.

Thumbs up, bombs away. Barrel ahead!

[ATWA]

I am not going to get into the good or bad discussion or "personality changing". This discussion is to much of a circle for me. But I would say that once a month would be an excellent schedule. A most excellent schedule indeed. But if SWIM had LSD he would have a hard time doing it so infrequently.

[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Whether or not drugs like LSD can change people's personalities is difficult to establish. For example, it might be the lifestyle change that people can experience when taking LSD a lot: they might care less about things which they previously cared about, or more so. For some, this void will be replaced with new insights/emotions (positive or negative). For others, it will remain a void. Others will remain generally unaffected...

It really depends on the individual and their social, emotional and mental stability. If a person feels that their life is heading in a positive direction, that they are doing well at whatever they are doing and has a healthy interesting social life with positive relationships then they are less likely to be turned into an apathetic mess.

Of course, it really depends on the individual and self-analysis is a must if one takes LSD consistently.

Swim's limit he sets himself for psychedelics is once a month.

[LoveSpaceDance!]

Cool thanks for all the replies.

Swim has noticed that he is a person that if he spends enough time with anyone that has strong charateristics, that he sometimes finds himself taking after them, or at times seems to be almost perfectly mimicing them.

Swim finds even if he watchs a episodes of a tv series back to back, that he can do the same with a character with in the series.

Swim has found that after a trip on LSD, he can find this transformation happening a lot quicker. That on LSD he can begin to make up new characteristics or meld charateristics from two other people, and by the end of the trip have totally new characteristics. This doesnt freak swim out, infact he finds it quite interesting.. usually after about a week though he looses the main effect of the characteristics, and seems to go back to the way he was.. but swim rekons that what he is made up of now even though it isnt fully evident, is definitely a mix of who he was + just the normal new characteristics you would pick up during your life + the LSD ones.

Cool stuff, so long as I am still a nice person that knows right and wrong, and has a preference for right.

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[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Originally Posted by LoveSpaceDance!

but swim rekons that what he is made up of now even though it isnt fully evident, is definitely a mix of who he was + just the normal new characteristics you would pick up during your life + the LSD ones.

Indeed, this has made swim have an afterthought: an LSD experience is still just that: an experience. given that "who you are" is a reflection of your life experiences, if LSD changes your personality it is not because it is an "evil drug"(if it affects you negatively) or a "good/spiritual drug"(if it affects you positively). it is simply this: your experiences with LSD are part of the experiences of your life. All of your experiences affect you in different ways relative to the nature of those experiences. LSD is just another type of experience.

The question is not "can LSD change your personality", but "how does my lifestyle affect my personality".

Originally Posted by LoveSpaceDance!

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[FrogEye]

Originally Posted by Joe-(5-HTP)

The question is not "can LSD change your personality", but "how does my lifestyle affect my personality".

Very true and well put, i will cite this to my friends.

[0ctavarium]

LSD or any other drug could change your personality because of the thoughts you have on it.

[gwarek2]

LSD once a month is a great schedule! That sounds like just enough time to think about and learn form your last experience. SWIM has taken psychedelic drugs at least once a week for over two years and SWIM feels no less intelligent. Not to say that such a crazy schedule is at all harmless! Although SWIM would say that smoking pot daily will make you less intelligent (although there are still many individuals who are acceptions to this)! It is true that LSD is just transformation, just change, it's up to you to direct that change in a positive way! Keep it at a healthy month between trips and you will be rewarded!

[Frond]

I've never seen a study that links even fairly heavy LSD use in healthy individuals to any kind of cognitive impairment or LSD-related health hazard.

I've read anecdotal evidence of HPPD developing after some time of LSD use, but without hard data it's hard to know what to believe.

Sir Tokesalot had a period in which he consumed a very decent amount - over a 100 hits at least - in the span of about a year. At the end of that time, he started to develop symptoms of HPPD (motion in patterns mainly) and the frequency of difficult experiences sharply went up. So, he figured it was time to lay off the sauce. The symptoms persisted for about half a year, then disappeared, and have yet to resume. They weren't debilitating in any case, and were very mild, only noticeable when specifically looked for.

But, the kicker is - he knows quite a few people that have these HPPD-like symptoms normally, without a history of drug use. So, are these changes a sign of actual brain damage? Are they in fact a disorder in the first place? Were they even a change to begin with, or maybe, as was the case with tinnitus, they were there all along and the Good Sir simply became aware of them after some time?

SWIY should come to his own conclusions. After all, it's his body. I would guess that a once-a-month regimen is safe and SWIY should have nothing to worry about, but then again I'd never do anything of the sort, so it's easy for me to say. Sir Tokesalot is still using and can't imagine life without it, though his use is far more sporadic now (he has a fief to manage after all).

[Songcycle67]

Originally Posted by Frond

I've never seen a study that links even fairly heavy LSD use in healthy individuals to any kind of cognitive impairment or LSD-related health hazard.

I've read anecdotal evidence of HPPD developing after some time of LSD use, but without hard data it's hard to know what to believe.

Sir Tokesalot had a period in which he consumed a very decent amount - over a 100 hits at least - in the span of about a year. At the end of that time, he started to develop symptoms of HPPD (motion in patterns mainly) and the frequency of difficult experiences sharply went up. So, he figured it was time to lay off the sauce. The symptoms persisted for about half a year, then disappeared, and have yet to resume. They weren't debilitating in any case, and were very mild, only noticeable when specifically looked for.

Yeah, agreed. SWIM experimented very very heavily on very strong hits twice a week for nearly a year. He came out with HPPD and a bit of social anxiety, but that is generally part of the deal for heavy duty space cadets. It takes a little time to pick up the pieces.

But I agree with the above; when SWIM had gone "beyond the beyond" and sort of seen all the tricks and wow of it all the bad stuff started sticking out like a sore thumb. LSD has a habit of teaching people not to abuse it. Not only does it get boring after a while, but it gets fucking scary in a completely non-traditional way. That rush of strange newness that was so good the first time SWIM took it began to turn into a shadowy creepiness.

SWIY's mind will definitely let you know when enough is enough and if they were healthy after their first few experiences they'll be healthy after these, although expect to make some adjustments.

[ATWA]

Actually there is quite a bit of hard evidence for HPPD and no it is not something that a person just becomes aware of. There is a part of post psychedelic phenomena that can be that. But actually quite a bit of data is being accumulated on HPPD. And SWIM had it and trust me if it is real HPPD there is no question it came from the acid and it is real and profound. Anyone who has experienced real HPPD can verify. But there are other things that drug users may experience that are sometimes classified with HPPD but they are not it. Like experiencing continued disassociation and derealization. Now these things may be seen with HPPD but they are not it. It is purely visual both with the eyes open in daylight and also at night or with the eyes closed. And then HPPD may lead to anxiety problems. The good old "Oh shit am I ever going to be normal again" syndrome. Or "What did I do to myself? Oh God Oh God"

[KBLSD]

for awhile swim was using lsd atleast once a week and on many occasions 2 or 3 times a week and it made him a space case not grounded at all and pretty anti-social he was in his own little world and then he stoped and is getting back to normal so yes talking lsd a lot can fuck with you but ur fine doing it once a month

[phatassone]

swim doesn't think it changes swims intelligence, but it definately has an effect on swims personality...

[indialpc]

Originally Posted by LoveSpaceDance!

Hey there,

Swim just has one or two little questions.


Swim has started taking lsd over that last 3 years. Starting off he only took it every now again, say 3 times in the first year. Recently he has been doing it once a month roughly, and reckons it will be like this on and off now for the next while.

Swim was just wondering if this was to much LSD to be taking to frequently? He has heard of LSD changing peoples personalities? Swim wonders would taking this much LSD make you less intelligent?

Because he does not know anyone who has been taking acid for a long time, he would like to know if there is anyone here who has been taking it for a long time and feels fine and exactly he same? Or does anyone here know people who took it for a long time, and are different because of it now?

Many thanks
LittleSpaceDemon.

hello hello hello
just think of Ken Kesey. he took a TON of acid. he wrote a GENIUS novel, while on acid.(one flew over the cuckoo's nest, if you are unfamiliar)
enough said? i think yes.!

[LoveSpaceDance!]

Originally Posted by indialpc

hello hello hello
just think of Ken Kesey. he took a TON of acid. he wrote a GENIUS novel, while on acid.(one flew over the cuckoo's nest, if you are unfamiliar)
enough said? i think yes.!

He wasnt actually on acid at the time of writting it was he :/ ?

[Songcycle67]

Originally Posted by LoveSpaceDance!

He wasnt actually on acid at the time of writting it was he :/ ?

Loads of it. And his preferred dose, according to Owsley, was 400ug. He said anything else was "mucking about." The description of Chief Broom busting out through the window at the end should give you a good example of where his head was at the time!

[Joel90]

Originally Posted by Corksil

It is true LSD can change your personality, or atleast make it seem so to others. SWIM is still the same person he was years ago, he just acts differently. He has the same interests, same moods, same taste, and pretty much everything else. However to put it bluntly, it seems he has stopped giving a f*ck in general. He used to hear a group of ppl arguing about something and come up and butt in and exert his opinion and his outlook on the group but now he's quite content to sit quietly and listen. He used to enjoy going back and forth for hours sharing points and trying to make ppl see things the way he does but now he's content to say "I feel differently, we are each entitled to our opinions."

SWIM thinks that is incredibly profound. The exact same thing happened to him [with a lot less LSD involved though ]. Just thought I’d let you know SWIM feels that same now.

[indialpc]

Originally Posted by LoveSpaceDance!

He wasnt actually on acid at the time of writting it was he :/ ?

Most of the time he was.
Kesey claimed that LSD brought out his imagination and it was a shortcut to his creativity. He took it quite regularly, and it was part of the inspiration for the book. He worked in a mental institution. Naturally, his views of this inspired him to write a novel. He also stated he wouldn't have been able to write such a novel without the use of LSD.

I personally think that's fantastic. If someone wrote a brilliant novel, and they were on LSD whilst doing so, it wouldn't detract from any of the greatness of the book, in my opinion. I would rather someone take acid to become more spiritually enlightened, artistic, or creative than just to get high and trip out.