Combinations - Adderall and Redline Energy Drink

[izzybella]

what do you think about swim taking energy drinks - something like redline - with adderall? any experiences?

[TestPattern]

In SWIM's experience, caffeine and acidic sodas like Redline tend to increase the intensity of an adderall 'trip' but shorten their duration, and give more of a pronounced crash at the end of it all. SWIM would advise anyone looking to try this combination to make sure swiy's cardiovascular system is healthy and no other conditions exist that might be exasperated by stimulant use, such as hypertension. SWIM gets lightheaded more often when he mixes caffeine with amphetamine, so he'd reccommend eating regularly and staying hydrated, even if SWIY doesn't feel like he really needs it.

[Coconut]

Caffeine will potentiate the effect of amphetamine, so if one has a heart condition or hypertension they could be putting their life at serious risk.

However, acidic conditions will decrease the bioavailability of amphetamine, so if someone really wants to mix the two drugs, taking a caffeine pill seems as though it would be more likely to work.

I think this is a dangerous idea which nobody should try.

[ghost94]

I take 20mg a day and caffeine is more powerful on adderall. For me its like flipping cocaine. buts it good just be careful


take in small amounts at first



not something big like redline


try this order (wait a day or two till next one or at least some hours)
coke
mountain dew
amp
vault
monster
jolt
redline
cocaine energy

[Alfa]

Redline has yohimbe / yohimbine in it. This is a MAOI and should not be combined with adderall.

[Coconut]

Well there we have it.

Redline energy drink + amphetamine = bad.

[enhancion01]

Originally Posted by Coconut

Well there we have it.

Redline energy drink + amphetamine = bad.

idk how bad it is... swim always buys those energy shots when using methamphetamine. Pretty much doubles his high and gets him flailing hard.

Swim has ponderd if this could be potentially deadly.

So far it just makes his money go further lol.

[ghost94]

Originally Posted by enhancion01

idk how bad it is... swim always buys those energy shots when using methamphetamine. Pretty much doubles his high and gets him flailing hard.

Swim has ponderd if this could be potentially deadly.

So far it just makes his money go further lol.

well like i said swim uses amphetamines (adderall) and drinks energy drinks every so often and it give him a much more in a way high feeling.

amphetamines+caffeine= cocaine type effect

when first using it can be a bad feeling but eventually it got better for swim


it can be dangerous


especially for methamphetamine


be careful

[Coconut]

Originally Posted by enhancion01

idk how bad it is... swim always buys those energy shots when using methamphetamine. Pretty much doubles his high and gets him flailing hard.

Swim has ponderd if this could be potentially deadly.

So far it just makes his money go further lol.

Yes, it could be potentially deadly.

My tree doesn't see the point in getting high if it could very easily kill you.

[SmokingBowls420]

Basically
600 mgs of caffiene = 30mgs of amphetamine

Don't mix the two, redline is more powerful than meth in some ways....Don't do it, drink a mountain dew or coke, it makes the buzz more edgy...it feels less like clean energy and more buzzy, swim likes it from time to time.

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by izzybella

what do you think about swim taking energy drinks - something like redline - with adderall? any experiences?

k... so caffeine and an adderall is a no-no. I was pretty certain that caffeine potentiates it, while also increasing neurotoxicity. But this was just a hunch till I read this article.

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/39/36040

Caffeine is an MAOI!! Do not take MAOIs with stimulants and certain opiates, as it can cause a potentially life-threatening complication!!

[Potter]

While not discounting the above peer reviewed evidence, nobody's had years of experience in combining adderall with large doses of caffiene to no ill effect*. Nobody rarely takes no more then 40mgs of amphetamine salts, but caffiene doses probably push around 500mg+ on an uncountable number of occasions. Nobody is also a life long stimulant user (well 23 out of 28 years), and has on a number of occasions experimented with quantities of caffiene near or above the LD/50, their tolerance is probably a factor to be considered.

Yohimbe is a pretty week MAOI, "energy drinks" rarely contain more then a piddling amount of herbal admixtures, does this one really include a viable quantity of yohimbine?

As for caffiene as an MAOI, how does it rate in potency compared to other MAOIs? Just how much would you need to take for it to be equal to a dose of Syrian Rue? Does it effect the A or B systems?

Sorry, just having a hard time justifying "caffiene=MAOI=bad with amphetamines". Too many years of this combination not having ill effects, makes it hard to see past that.

Be seeing you.
Potter.


*Being obnoxious doesn't count.

[gmeziscool2354]

caffiene is not a mono amine oxidase inhibitor as far as i know. And as to the risks/benefits of combining amphetamine or any other phenethylamine with MAOI's read into some of Shulgins love stories.

many of swims friends say "never mix and MAOI with X" this is good advice, but most of these swimmers don't know the first thing abuot what an MAOI is or what it does

[Politicalchalk]

agreed. the caffeine analogue mentioned in the study was 8-(3-Chlorostyryl)caffeine, or (CSC) as they put it.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Knew there was something off on that study, thanks for pointing that out

[paperstreet]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

k... so caffeine and an adderall is a no-no. I was pretty certain that caffeine potentiates it, while also increasing neurotoxicity. But this was just a hunch till I read this article.

-see quoted post-

Caffeine is an MAOI!! Do not take MAOIs with stimulants and certain opiates, as it can cause a potentially life-threatening complication!!

I don't think swiy read the article very closely...

When something "attenuates neurotoxicity" it means that it diminishes/lessens/weakens/prevents the neurotoxic implications.

From the previously linked article:

"Caffeine and more specific antagonists of the adenosine A2A receptor recently have been found to be neuroprotective in the MPTP (1-methyl-4-phenyl-1,2,3,6-tetrahydropyridine) model of Parkinson's disease. Here we show that 8-(3-chlorostyryl)caffeine (CSC), a specific A2A antagonist closely related to caffeine, also attenuates MPTP-induced neurotoxicity."

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The article you posted argues for caffeine's neuroprotective properties...

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good job clarifying that.

[TheNewAddiction]

Tobacco contains harmine. Harmine is a MAOI.

Tough call on caffeine. It does help but Swim is starting to think that if adderall has a focusing/make boring activities more fun type of effect.. the caffeine has a chaotic effect.. Meaning.. Swim might sit there, thinking of what to do first.. instead of just doing one thing and moving onto the next.. it may be one step forward, two steps back..

Pills also may be a better choice than a super acidic drink like Coccaine.. Swim can feel the burn with that, literally.

[Politicalchalk]

Swim decided to check the ol' wikipedia on the subject and, while caffeine is a xanthine as well as having complex mojo with adenosine, Swim found nothing on monoamine-oxidase or it's inhibition.

Can we get a reference for the proposition, "Caffine inhibits monoamine oxidase"? Swim's a regular user of caffine, but also with the various psychoactive fireworks he has happening, thinks that an MAOI would...well, do something. He consumes about 200-300mg maybe 5 days a week.

[xxashley776]

SWIM who has never taken adderall or drank a redline today did this. SWIM stayed up for more than 26 hours and had to do a 5 hour drive and needed to stay awake. They compared the feeling to being on cocaine. SWIM advises not to do this while driving.

[BoyzNoize]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Redline has yohimbe / yohimbine in it. This is a MAOI and should not be combined with adderall.

True but it is a very weak MAOI especially when you look at the amount that is in this drink.

BoyzNoize added 3 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by SmokingBowls420

Basically
600 mgs of caffiene = 30mgs of amphetamine

Don't mix the two, redline is more powerful than meth in some ways

No way the two are completely different if you are going to say that redline is meth in a can please put up some article supporting that evidence

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Potter

While not discounting the above peer reviewed evidence, nobody's had years of experience in combining adderall with large doses of caffiene to no ill effect*. Nobody rarely takes no more then 40mgs of amphetamine salts, but caffiene doses probably push around 500mg+ on an uncountable number of occasions. Nobody is also a life long stimulant user (well 23 out of 28 years), and has on a number of occasions experimented with quantities of caffiene near or above the LD/50, their tolerance is probably a factor to be considered.

Yohimbe is a pretty week MAOI, "energy drinks" rarely contain more then a piddling amount of herbal admixtures, does this one really include a viable quantity of yohimbine?

As for caffiene as an MAOI, how does it rate in potency compared to other MAOIs? Just how much would you need to take for it to be equal to a dose of Syrian Rue? Does it effect the A or B systems?

Sorry, just having a hard time justifying "caffiene=MAOI=bad with amphetamines". Too many years of this combination not having ill effects, makes it hard to see past that.

Be seeing you.
Potter.

I agree with most of what you said, but weak MAOI or not (referring to the Yohimbine mostly) it is already combined with a number of different stimulants, so I don't think adding amphetamines to the mix is very wise.

Redline can be kind of uncomfortable alone if you drink too much of it. I'd imagine it could be a very unpleasant experience throwing amphetamines in the mix. Caffeine and adderall isn't too great to begin with, but throwing in yohimbine and not so well known stuff like evodiamine doesn't help things much.

My Giraffe tried a very low dose of adderall with some redline once and while he doesn't feel like it was overly detrimental, he didn't see any real benefits to the combination, found it vaguely uncomfortable, and remembers thinking that his heart really wouldn't like it much if he raised the dose of one or both of the substances.

This combo just isn't worth attempting.

[gmeziscool2354]

i didn't even know i had posted on this thread earlier, must have been drunk.

anyway, as to cafeine/energy drinks with amphetamine the key is moderation. if you drink 3 redbulls with a strong dose of amphetamine, you are asking for trouble, but a moderate dose of adderall with a cup of cofee of 1 redbull is a college students best friend during exam week. just make sure to eat a little and drink plenty of water, or perhaps gatorade

[Trogdor]

the guarana in energy drinks will synergize with amphetamine for an increase in effects. guarana affects caffeine in the same way.

Energy drinks are alkaline and will decrease the amount of absorption if the method of administration was orally. so, if swiy takes the pills by eating them then having an energy drink in your stomach will lessen the amount of amphetamine entering swiys bloodstream.

swiy can counteract this a bit with the use of an antacid. Swim isn't completely sure if this is safe.

Energy drinks are a great way of potentiating (sort of) amphetamine if te method of administration is something other than oral. renal and intranasal both work very well and have a high bioavilabilty. 70something for intranasal and 90something for renal.

good luck with your potentiation.

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dude, this post is full of all kinds of incorrect info. each line has something untrue in it

[BA142]

SWIM has never tried mixing adderall and redline but from what SWIM knows about redline, they probably shouldn't be mixed.

Whenever SWIM takes adderall (or vyvanse) he always drinks a 5 hour energy when he starts to feel the peak go away and it seems to give him a welcomed boost of energy and talkativeness SWIM knows 5 hour energy isn't redline but from SWIMS experiences with the 5 hour energy and amphetamines he would strongly recommend it.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by BA142

Whenever SWIM takes adderall (or vyvanse) he always drinks a 5 hour energy when he starts to feel the peak go away and it seems to give him a welcomed boost of energy and talkativeness SWIM knows 5 hour energy isn't redline but from SWIMS experiences with the 5 hour energy and amphetamines he would strongly recommend it.

Now this is actually a worthwhile idea.

My panda has taken 5-Hour Energy and similar "energy shots" before, during, and after adderall use, with varying results.

He found that it would often help attenuate the 'crash' effects.