Dose - Oxycontin Beginner

[Psychonaut08]

SWIM has never taken anything from the opiod family before, and his friend should be able to sort out some oxycontin, but isn't sure about the dosage in the tablet e.t.c
when SWIM get's it he can tell through pill -id's hopefully, but he was wondering, he is around 90 KG, 6"2 and has NO tolerance to any opiod.
He has done MDMA/cocaine/acid e.t.c in high amounts, but is aware with the risks of oxycontin and high dosages, so he was wondering, and is sorry for posting as he is sure that there will be threads similar to this but used the search engine, but :

How should he take the OC, if it comes in a tablet form should he just swallow it with water, or crush it up and insufflate (he isn't much of a fan of snorting, and never plans on IV'ing or rectally administrating drugs).

How many MG should he take for a good first opiod experience, not anything too high and overwhelming but not an amount that will leave him feeling slightly stoned..

Thanks a lot

[dyingtomorrow]

SWIM was never much of a pill person (v.s. heroin that is), but will offer some advice as we wait for better experts to show up.

SWIM would recommend eating the pill as normal. Don't take anything else with it, especially not other "downers" like benzos or alcohol. Take it on an empty stomach. SWIM is thinking that 20mgs would be a safe start. You will feel nice and mellow, your body will feel REAL good, and you will feel euphoric probably within 30-60 minutes of eating it.

The first experience with opiates is always awesome. If you don't find the 20mgs to be too overpowering after you know it has kicked in, drink a beer with it, it will make you feel even better.

("You" as in, anyone-but-noone who wants to do this)

[2dboy]

Hi there,
Please start with a low dose - 5mg is good.
Be careful of crushing it up as this negates the time release factor and you get hit with the effect much harder, thus the dangers of OXY.
I would suggest 5mg if you crush it up, nothing more. It will cause a nice effect but nothing overwhelming. It is always best to begin slowly and test your tolerance, especially wit opiates as you can so easily slip into a lovely dream like sleep, but then stop breathing. If you can, have someone else with you who is not doing it to watch over you.
Enjoy it, but not too often

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good advice

[TheContrivance]

For SWIYs first time just eat it. SWIM suggests 10-15mg. SWIM used to be on a 350mg+ per day habit. SWIM then quit and then took 20mg about 5 months or so later. This hit SWIM really hard and he was in heaven...he even puked the next day. SWIM is the same size as SWIY.

Be safe!!

[Psychonaut08]

swim doesn't plan on doing it often, this will be a one off since it's not something he can get regularly, he just wants to see what the fuss is with opiates.
5mg when others are telling me 15mg, one sounds quite low another sounds quite high for a first timer, so I think i'll settle in the middle for 10mg through swallowing the pill with water (i can never chew pills, cant stand the taste -.-).
unless anyone else has anything else to say.
sounds liek fun and i cant wait

[2dboy]

there is a time release element to these pills - so swallowing it without chewing will release it slowly over 8 hours or so. CHewing it means you get hit all at once.

[cra$h]

Originally Posted by Psychonaut08

swim doesn't plan on doing it often, this will be a one off since it's not something he can get regularly, he just wants to see what the fuss is with opiates.

Ha, that's how swim started with weed. He figgured he'd try a drug, just to see what the fuss was about, since you know, how different could they all be? The next year he's a major pothead, the next year weed bores the hell out of him, but all the other drugs are fun, and the next year he's seriously thinkin about IM oxy. But it seems like swiy's been around the block, having done acid, coke, etc.

As for a good opiate dose, no more than 20mg. Start close to 10mg. swim at 110lbs did 10mg of hydrocode (very close to oxycodone) and was FUCKED UP. But you can always take more if after 2 hours your "bored". But for swim, opiates build and build and build in effect, until it makes swim gets so high he gets sick, then bam, back to normal. Actually energetic.

And on another note, what's with the burst of beginner threads? Or is it just because it's friday night?

[Issmortor]

SWIM would recommend take 5mg, then if you dont feel good enough in 30 minutes, take another 5mg. 10 would be a FINE starting dose for 90kg. When SWIM started taking oxycodone, he took 10mg at a time, followed every 2.5 horus later by a 5mg kicker/bump. This was fine and he didnt have to increase his dosage for almost 9 months before having to start with 15mg, then bump with 5-7.5mg every 1.5-2 hours following.

[Psychonaut08]

oh shizzle :P how bad is the taste though, swim can't really handle chemically tastes (MDMA made him throw up), is there any tips to help the taste?
how long would swim have to chew, and how quick would it affect/last him then?
thanks

[2dboy]

the taste isnt so bad - chew it fast and have some water and gum on hand, or SWYN could crush it and put it in a little bit of toilet paper and swallow it (called parachuting).
I envy SYK. SWIM would love to be a first timer again - have fun little one

[W!SE]

lets be real come on... SWALLOWING 5mgs?? no..def not.. maybe if snorted...swallowed tho? no.

10 to be on the safe side 15 for a nice ride.. no harm in starting with 5 tho, just dont expect much (especially if swim has a natural tolerance to opiates)

tips - stay still - listen to music - smoke some weed..drink 1-2 beers (AFTER SWIYOU'RE COMFORTABLE W/ IT OBV)


btw, this was stickied up top - starting dose for all opiate naives (CHECK IT OUT!)

swim on

[award11]

SWIM agrees with the above poster, 5 mg swallowed wouldn't have much of an effect even on a non tolerant person if it is indeed a time released oxycontin. Be sure that you find out if it is an exteded release or instant release before you take it. SWIM would recommend 10mg starting dose, crushed up and swallowed.

swim doesn't plan on doing it often, this will be a one off since it's not something he can get regularly.

No one intends to get addicted to oxycontin but many thousands have fallen victim to it's euphoric high. I call it the devil......... SWIM believes anything can be used in moderation safely but the further up the scale you go, the harder it is to remain "moderate". Good luck and be careful..

Have you thought about how and where you are going to use it ? SWIM recommends a nice comfy environment preferably somewhere with a comfortable couch or bed maybe even with a member of the opposite sex. In SWIMs early days, it made him feel so warm and cuddly. It was especially nice to lay in a warm bed with someone SWIM enjoyed spending time with.

[Psychonaut08]

Yeah swim plans on doing it at home and just chilling out with a close friend to some good music e.t.c
'parachuting', i assume this is the same as 'bombing' where you wrap a crushed powder into a rizla? like swim does with MDMA...
so swim shhould crush a 10mg pill, wrap it in a rizla and swalow with water and then enjoy at the comforts of his own house?
thanks

[Mr.Opi]

hey psyconaut swim would say snoot it but start with a super small dose if useing a 80mg oc break the pill in 4 pices and take 1/4 and break that in half so its 10 mgs
smash that up and make a few small bumps and just experiment see how high u get thats how swim started swims friends on ocs

[Audee]

SWIM also suggests starting at 15mg; SWIM took 20mg his first time and found it almost too intense for a first timer.

[Psychonaut08]

SWIM should be getting a few 20mg's coming, so should he split it in half and chew one side and drink it down with water?
What's all this grapefruit juice business too, swim can go and buy some grapefruit juice to wash down the pill but how much should he be looking to chew then, and does he drink the grapefruit juice as he chews the pill, or before, or after :S
thanks

[weareone222]

please be carefull with oxycontin swim can easyley over dose . 20mgs at that much for some people but taking orally is a lot better getting it all at once will probly make you very ephoric,nodding,throwing up,ext. please be carefull . Just make sure you use common sense with opiates....

[samuraigecko]

SWIM suggests (after doing a HEAP of oxycontin / oxycodone over the years) that 10mg is a good starting dosage. 5mg is far to low and SWIyou probably wont feel very much at all (depending on how SWIyour body reacts to opiates).

In the end dosage is a fine line, SWIyou will either love it or end up puking heaps and hating it. At those dosages it is less likely that one would "OD" (there are always rare cases) and puking is actually a good thing because SWIyou will be doing this well before you OD.

20mg would probably be fairly overwhelming for someone opiate niave but SWIM also knows of people whom have had this as their starting dosage and loved it. However, all people are set up different.

SWIM has mentioned in many threads the difference between "natural tolerence" and "aquired tolerance" of opiates. If one were to have a high natural tolerance then one would need a stronger dosage from the start, if one had a low natural tolerance then one would probably be puking a lot and more than likely hate it. However, some people puke a lot and love it . . lol.

In any case, thought and care are the main ingredients to a good experience with opiates. It is always better to start low and raise the bar than start to high and get sick . . or worse . . end up dead with a stupid grin on ones head.

Hope this has been of help, Peace.

[Psychonaut08]

ok 10mg, even with the grapefruit juice or whatever?

[samuraigecko]

Sounds good, although one is not sure if the GFJ will make much of a difference in the case of Oxycodone . . then again, SWIM has never tried it with Oxycodone. SWIM is fairly sure that Oxycodone is absorbed by the GIT and not hepatically metabolized. He will take a look to confirm this though as he might be totally wrong.

Peace

[cybergenesis]

Swims sorry but many of these people are suggesting doses which swim thinks are too low. Don't get swim wrong, when swim takes opiates swim is very mindful of things like overdose. If you want a solid strong experience then take 20mg. It certainly will not OD you. If you want a mild just relaxed not very strong experience then sure take less. But someone telling you to take 5mg is a joke. Swim really doubts you would feel anything from that maybe the mildest slightest relaxation.

When Swim and Swimfriend starting takes oxys (and oxys were swims FIRST opiate) swim started on 20mg and in swims case found that to be far too mild, but swim and swimfriend may have higher than usual tolerance because swim and swimfriend drink a lot etc, do lots of other depressants.

Honestly if swim was going to recommend a friend to try oxy, someone swim cared about swim would suggest about 20mg as the right start dose. It might not be enough for them in which case next time swim would try higher.

Swim has always found that if you take more later, the 2nd "wave" is never as good. So taking 10mg first then 5mg an hour later isn't very good.

20mg might give you a strong experience. Sure if your sensitive to the effects you might be unlucky and get nausea etc, but swim reckons your wasting it if you try less.

Are you sensitive to alcohol? if someone told you the first time you wanted to get drunk to try "1-2 beers' and you should enjoy that do you think that would be much? if swim was telling someone the first time they were going to get drunk swim would say 3-4 beers not 1-2 but thats just swim. If your not sensitive to the effect of alcohol (ie 1-2 drinks doesnt knock you around) then 20mg isnt going to be too strong.

Swim strongly suggests 20mg, unless you want mild experience. Don't be scared of opiates (but be cautious). Swim was worried his first time but once you have had it you wont worry any more. Serious mate swim takes oxys all the time they are the only opiate swim does.

If you take 20mg here is what you can expect: hopefully you wont get nausea. You might first start feeling heavy and relaxed, you might get some dizziness don't let this worry you, your muscles might start feeling quite relaxed, you might feel somewhat clumsy, you will probably feel somewhat tired, you may feel like lying down, you might get slightly blurred vision, you'll probably notice your breathing and pulse slowdown somewhat. Itching can also occur. Your probably going to feel anxious when it first comes on, swim did as well cause swim was worrying about what to expect. Dont let yourself worry just tell yourself you will be fine and enjoy it. After an hour it will be at PEAK effect but dont worry often you can feel the effect quite early on. Dont be scared by that (ie if im feeling it so quickly i must have taken too much- swim thought that too but swim was fine). Essentially if it effect you properly what you should expect to feel is strongly relaxed in many ways but opiates do NOT mess up your judgment in general like alcohol, so don't worry you won't make an idiot of yourself or something. Essentially once you have done it you will realize, I promise, that its a lot less of a deal than you were making it out to be.

[Psychonaut08]

Thanks for the reply cybergenesis, swim drinks quite a lot, he is definitely not sensitive to alcohol, he consumes around 15 units minimum if he's planning to get drunk.
He does normally consume a lot of most things as he doesn't really do drugs for a mild buzz if you get his drift, so i'll keep the 20mg in mind, but seriously, what about this grapefruit juice! :P

[cybergenesis]

Swun is not sure about the grapefruit juice, swim vaguely remember reading something saying it probably doesn't do much.

Swim again suggest 20mg, you will thank Swim later (unless you get nausea, but thats always the risk with opiates- you will live). Swim can promise you- yes swim can- that you will not overdose and die on 20mg hehe

Swim has found that people who drink (because alcohol is a depressant) tend to have somewhat higher tolerance to opiates. Whereas say you know one of those people that has never drunk in their life, then swim thinks they could get more strongly effected by opiates.

Swim suggests going to the chemist and getting an over the counter medicine for nausea and take it if you get any nausea on opiates. Just ask the pharmacist, say your friend is really sick in the stomach and wants something for the nausea.

Swim and his cousin took 20mg first time. Swims cousin found the experience good and solid, while Swim found it mild. Next time Swim tried 40 and that was better, but thats higher than most opiate naive people would do.

It depends on what you want. If you want to fully visit opiate land, don't be scared of them and try 20mg. If you want just a mild tour, try lower. But in Swims opinion fully visiting opiate land is good. You might get lucky and just want to tuck yourself in bed and feel wonderfully relaxed. Swim hopes you get that and go to yourself "ahh this is lovely". Thats what opiates are about, well from a recreational perspective

In Swims opinion the overdose sort of amount for an opiate naive person would be somewhere around 60mg - 80mg, while less may still make someone VERY effected by opiates, Swim doesn't think it would be DANGEROUS at doses less than 60-80mg. Swim found swim has good tolerance and within 3-4 goes realized that 80mg is right for Swim but that is VERY high for an opiate niave person like Swim. Swim also is a heavy drinker though Swim is getting away from that and more into opiates

[frankz81]

Originally Posted by cybergenesis

Swun is not sure about the grapefruit juice, swim vaguely remember reading something saying it probably doesn't do much.

Swim again suggest 20mg, you will thank Swim later (unless you get nausea, but thats always the risk with opiates- you will live). Swim can promise you- yes swim can- that you will not overdose and die on 20mg hehe

Swim has found that people who drink (because alcohol is a depressant) tend to have somewhat higher tolerance to opiates. Whereas say you know one of those people that has never drunk in their life, then swim thinks they could get more strongly effected by opiates.

Swim suggests going to the chemist and getting an over the counter medicine for nausea and take it if you get any nausea on opiates. Just ask the pharmacist, say your friend is really sick in the stomach and wants something for the nausea.

Swim and his cousin took 20mg first time. Swims cousin found the experience good and solid, while Swim found it mild. Next time Swim tried 40 and that was better, but thats higher than most opiate naive people would do.

It depends on what you want. If you want to fully visit opiate land, don't be scared of them and try 20mg. If you want just a mild tour, try lower. But in Swims opinion fully visiting opiate land is good. You might get lucky and just want to tuck yourself in bed and feel wonderfully relaxed. Swim hopes you get that and go to yourself "ahh this is lovely". Thats what opiates are about, well from a recreational perspective

In Swims opinion the overdose sort of amount for an opiate naive person would be somewhere around 60mg - 80mg, while less may still make someone VERY effected by opiates, Swim doesn't think it would be DANGEROUS at doses less than 60-80mg. Swim found swim has good tolerance and within 3-4 goes realized that 80mg is right for Swim but that is VERY high for an opiate niave person like Swim. Swim also is a heavy drinker though Swim is getting away from that and more into opiates

there is no cross tolerance between alcohol and opiates what so ever. alcohol may increase the effects of opiates,. but will not increase a tolerance to them. your giving opinions, but u have had oxy, what twice?

[amadeusstoner]

Swim says he would definitely listen to the advice of some of the other swimmers to start off with a does of 10mg. Snort that, see how swiy feel and if that doesn't cut it then swiy should then proceed to snort the other 10mg. Swiy definitely will not o.d. off of 20mg but swiy may puke. Swim personly enjoys the opiate vomit though...

Swim remembers the first time he did an oc. He only did 15mgs and it was wonderful! That was actually the first time Swim got the full on nods. There's nothing like them.

Remember tolerance builds quickly with opiates. They are very fun at first but after over indulgence they eventually can become almost essential to one's existence.

Have fun but be careful!