TEK - MDMA nasal spray?

[killerfromsky]

Who has tried this before?
Dissolving some pills in water, filter, put in a nasal spray container.

Would it work?

Dissolving pills in water, this should work?
And nasal absorbtion would also work, right?

Thanks in advance!

[KomodoMK]

MDMA in base form is not water soluble but the hydrochloride (salt) is. However, the bonders, fillers and other adulterants in pills may not be water soluble. In theory it should work though, just as it does with Cocaine.

[killerfromsky]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

just as it does with Cocaine.

SWIM knows that and loves that method!
That is why he was wondering if this might work.
It also works with ritalin, lovely.


Is SWIY sure the MDMA in the pills is HCl, the salt form?

Thanks for the info!

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by killerfromsky

Is SWIY sure the MDMA in the pills is HCl, the salt form?

The MDMA in the pills should dissolve without a problem but the rest of the contents is questionable. Is it not possible for SWIY to acquire crystal MDMA?

[killerfromsky]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

The MDMA in the pills should dissolve without a problem but the rest of the contents is questionable. Is it not possible for SWIY to acquire crystal MDMA?

The rest of the pill doesn't matter? SWIM will filter the insolubles, and those are soluble wont stick in his nose

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by killerfromsky

The rest of the pill doesn't matter? SWIM will filter the insolubles, and those are soluble wont stick in his nose

Fair enough, better still SWIY can perform an acetone wash on the pill(s). You can find more on that here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29652

Would be wise to be careful about dosing using this method if you are unsure of how much MDMA resides in the water in the bottle.

[killerfromsky]

SWIM will try this tonight and post the experience!

[Quagsign]

Originally Posted by killerfromsky

SWIM will try this tonight and post the experience!

Please do, SWIM is very interested in this method, as it could help him with discreet dosing and easier transportation/concealment of his MDMA.

[RaverHippie]

Nearly everything in pills are water-soluble so the idea of filtering after dissolving in water will be fruitless. As evidence for this claim I present the fact that many people dissolve their pills in water bottles or drinks before ingesting to quicken the come-up time. No one ever remarks of gak hanging around in the bottle after downing the liquid, or notes of little bits floating on top of everything.

What will reduce the crappy things inside of the solution will be the TEK that KomodoMK posted. (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29652). This uses another solvent instead of water, acetone, into which MDMA cannot dissolve. Thus allowing everything in the pill which is non-MDMA a way to dissolve and expelled, while the MDMA+ other things insoluble in acetone will be left in the filter.

[killerfromsky]

Sorry it took so long! SWIM tried it about a 2 weeks ago.

He put a Smiley in a test tube.
Filled the tube with tap water, about 2 ml, SWIM used a syringe.
The pill started falling apart. He shook it every minute, this for about 5 times.
Then he waited for the insoluble parts to sink to the bottom.
There ware allot of insolubles, not like RaverHippie might think.

Then he put his syringe (+needle) in the test tube, and drew away the water, while trying not to get any of the insolubles in the syringe.
Put it all in the nasal spray container.

And it worked! Yes it was good!

Now most of the Smiley pills here in Belgium are bad, well they give a nice buzz, but also make people sick. Sick as in vommiting, having allot of troubles with the stomach,..

With this method, SWIM didn't get sick! Now he doens't know if this is because the pill didn't realy get to his stomach or because the bad things were 'filtered' out?

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by killerfromsky

Sorry it took so long! SWIM tried it about a 2 weeks ago.

He put a Smiley in a test tube.
Filled the tube with tap water, about 2 ml, SWIM used a syringe.
The pill started falling apart. He shook it every minute, this for about 5 times.
Then he waited for the insoluble parts to sink to the bottom.
There ware allot of insolubles, not like RaverHippie might think.

Then he put his syringe (+needle) in the test tube, and drew away the water, while trying not to get any of the insolubles in the syringe.
Put it all in the nasal spray container.

And it worked! Yes it was good!

Now most of the Smiley pills here in Belgium are bad, well they give a nice buzz, but also make people sick. Sick as in vommiting, having allot of troubles with the stomach,..

With this method, SWIM didn't get sick! Now he doens't know if this is because the pill didn't realy get to his stomach or because the bad things were 'filtered' out?

Thanks for returning to tell us the method worked well. Did SWIY find the come up time was any quicker than normal or any differences in duration or intensity of the peak or experience overall?

[killerfromsky]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

Thanks for returning to tell us the method worked well. Did SWIY find the come up time was any quicker than normal or any differences in duration or intensity of the peak or experience overall?

It worked quicker (10 minutes max), little bit more intense, but lasted a little shorter.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by killerfromsky

It worked quicker (10 minutes max), little bit more intense, but lasted a little shorter.

Is that compared to oral ingestion? As that is exactly what little fishy experiences from normal insufflation. He is very interested in this method for topping up when attending raves.

[killerfromsky]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

Is that compared to oral ingestion? As that is exactly what little fishy experiences from normal insufflation. He is very interested in this method for topping up when attending raves.

Yes, compared to oral ingestion.

If SWIM uses cocaine in a nasal spray, it also works a bit faster, and just a tiny bit more.

So this could be also the fact with MDMA.

One small note, it gave quite a burn in his nose..

[KomodoMK]

Try insufflating the pure MDMA crystals, my little fishy tells me it's like snorting glass shards. Strangely, he learned to love that feeling which most hate. That said he doesn't go round smashing peoples Windows just to snort the glass. :P

Sounds like this method is a goer, he will suggest it to his best friend and possibly try it with a small amount of around 500mg dissolved for top up use over the course of a rave.

[killerfromsky]

SWIM just made this picture. This is the best way to to it with pills in his opinion..

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[p$2]

just a thought... those nasal sprays don't deliver much liquid per spray. swip$ wonders if one might need to saturate the solution as much as possible, and even then need many sprays to achive a dose.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by p$2

just a thought... those nasal sprays don't deliver much liquid per spray. swip$ wonders if one might need to saturate the solution as much as possible, and even then need many sprays to achive a dose.

I read somewhere (another forum) that a gram of MDMA is soluble in 1ml of water, similar too Cocaine. If this is true, and we make the assumption that each spray offers only a tiny 1ml of vapour, then we would only need to dissolve 1g of MDMA in 10ml of water for each spray to contain 100mg of MDMA.

Nice pictorial killerfromsky!

[killerfromsky]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

I read somewhere (another forum) that a gram of MDMA is soluble in 1ml of water, similar too Cocaine. If this is true, and we make the assumption that each spray offers only a tiny 1ml of vapour, then we would only need to dissolve 1g of MDMA in 10ml of water for each spray to contain 100mg of MDMA.

Nice pictorial killerfromsky!

Thank you!
Don't know baout that info, it could be correct, it could be false.

With SWIM his spray, he needs 10 sprays for each ml. But he still uses 2ml for 1 pill, it makes it more easy to 'filter' the solution. He sprays 4x once he has the spray in his hands, that means he must spray 5 times. That would take him about 10-20 minutes at a party, not any less, because else he would have to much liquid in his nose. But he doesn't care about those 10-20 minutes.. It is worth it..

[RaverHippie]

that's weird, my raver friend's pills usually cleanly dissolve. nice pics and such man for sure.