Opinions - Which one of these You consider as"Soft Drug" Medium Drug" Hard Drug"(alcohol,LSD...

[Waffa]

I want to thank everyone who pointed out the misspelling of ecstasy & heroin - in my own home-media it's really common to see this kind of wrong spelling of these drugs (it's not English speaking media) , but i think it's time to learn correct spelling now - so thank you once again - i noticed my self this after i posted the poll but i can not change it myself unfortunately. Also i did make mistake by leaving out Amphetamine's & barbiturates etc.. sorry about this :)

(Also please do not forget to take a look to my new post in this thread (updated 2 March) "Lists of "Top Lists" from different sources & 'death rate calculations' based by me based on gov statistics, post #17"

Okey, lets just say there is 3 different levels of drugs, soft (relatively safe for person and for people around him/her, including first time uses with no pior education how to use it ), medium and hard (often medically more dangerous compared to safe drugs, often abused, often addictive, often causes harm for user and people around him).

& if you would want to place drugs (including cigarettes, alcohol, maybe some common medicals also like anti depression tablets ) on this category considering these factors:

* Average % of people who abuse it easily
* Ease of getting poisoning / permanent damage / health problems
* Dangers when mixing with other substances like different common medications, allergic & psyhcological reactions
* Addiction
* Harm coused from drug when he/she gets addicted (& how easy is to quit)
* Harm she/he can do for himself under the influence physically
* Harm she/he can do for others when he/she is under the influence, mood changes
* Thoughts about crime and other illegal things under the influence (what drug couses/powers these "bad" ideas most & wich one more likely not)
* Comedown affects (like alcohol has hangover and people usually first thing buy more alcohol in morning if they can so hangover would be softer, MDMA


For starters my list (if someone points out new drug i will add it to my list, from best to worst) - this is fast made list, what Pinocchio just thinks.
Like he is not so sore if MDMA is safer then LSD or Marijuana is safer then mushrooms (it's hard to debate between long & short term drugs because they are so different), so do not flame me for placing some drug in "wrong place in this scale" because i do not know a basically nothing much about some of them

(updated 5 March, 12:00)

Soft:
Caffeine
Khat - Catha Edulis
Kava-kava
Mescaline
Anabolic steroids
Mushrooms
LSA
Salvia
Marijuana
Nitrous (mentioned by 0ctavarium)
4-MTA
Methylphenidate
Medium:
average Antidepressants
DMT
LSD
MDA
MDMA
Ayahuasca
Cigarettes (death rate 1.4% in UK, first)
DXM / ( separated from CCC )
Codeine (also considered as hard by some)
oxycodone (added later)
Opium
Buprenorphine (added later)
GHB (relocated from soft after new reading and swim friend & forum users experiences, some consider it as "hard")
Ketamine (also considered as "hard" by some)
CCC (Coricidin) (pointed out by 0ctavarium & Alfa, thread about CCC) (considered also as Hard)
Hard:
Alcohol
Benzodiazepines, downers (like xanax, Diazepam - Valium [World Health Organization's "Essential Drugs List"]) (considered also as soft by some, death rate in UK 0.4%, third)
Morphine
Amfetamine (considered also as medium)
Methamphetamine (added later)
Solvents / inhalants (added later) (mentioned by Alfa)
Cocaine
Street methadone (death rate 0.89 in UK, second after nicotine)
Barbiturates
Crack Cocaine
Heroin
Nightshades

This is just for starters and i might change my ideas where some of them should be placed but what you think what drug should be where? (add more drugs if you can).

Probably this list would make more sense if it would be "hard users" "moderate users"

Not sore where to add: Oxycontin, Benzos, Hydrocodone, Sinicuichi, Ephedrin

[0ctavarium]

Salvia should be medium and Mescaline. Alcohol is medium.

Add:
DXM - medium
Nitrous - soft

[Scag]

Originally Posted by 0ctavarium

Salvia should be medium and Mescaline. Alcohol is medium.

Add:
DXM - medium
Nitrous - soft

alcohol is definetly a hard drug. you need to research that a good bit more

Scag added 2 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by TheMainException

Ecstasy ON ITS OWN without any adulterants is very safe as long as the user drinks enough water. When you add in reality, what is called "Ecstasy" is often just a bunch of chemicals thrown together and sold to people who are too dumb to take precautions or just don't care. SWIY can't die from E alone if SWIY is drinking water. This is what makes it less dangerous. (But I don't think Opium is all that dangerous either)

ecstacy is often just a bunch of chemicals thrown together?

that sir is propaganda at its finest. you really should read up on that a good bit more.

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by Scag

alcohol is definetly a hard drug. you need to research that a good bit more

Is it, though? Seems like it can be very hard for the (sizeable) minority of people that can't drink it without becoming dependent on it. SWIM, along with plenty of others, drinks whenever he likes but isn't addicted and manages to avoid getting really drunk too often...but SWIM imagines it's quite hard to be a 'recreational' user of a drug like crack, methamphetamine or (IV) heroin more often than very, very occasionally. I mean, I very much doubt most people could smoke crack as often as SWIM drinks alcohol (i.e. most days) without it very, very quickly taking over their life.

You must have seen this, right?



It's an attempt - by independent, non-government researchers - to classify drugs according to both potential for addiction and potential for physical harm. You can see alcohol is rated as worse than many drugs but certainly less bad than some. Of course, huge numbers of people have problems with alcohol because it's used by many people than don't use other drugs.

(I should probably mention that as far as I know, the above chart represents the dangers of drugs *as they are currently used* in the UK, so that the very high physical harm rating for heroin includes the effects of harmful adulterants and unexpectedly strong batches, for example.)

[Junket]

In terms of killing people, ciggs an alcohol are the hardest you can get..

That's why I hate labeling shit..

[0ctavarium]

Originally Posted by Junket

In terms of killing people, ciggs an alcohol are the hardest you can get..

That's why I hate labeling shit..

That's because they are so widely available. If Heroin was legal every one and their mother would be busy ODing.

[Junket]

Originally Posted by 0ctavarium

That's because they are so widely available. If Heroin was legal every one and their mother would be busy ODing.

If it were legal, it would be manufactured unadulterated with bullshit street cuts and there could be warnings and directions..

"Please shoot responsibly" yadidamean?

[0ctavarium]

Originally Posted by Junket

If it were legal, it would be manufactured unadulterated with bullshit street cuts and there could be warnings and directions..

"Please shoot responsibly" yadidamean?

Yeah that is true. I just feel sorry for the countless "HEY LET'S SHOOT DOUBLE THE DOSE, IT'S DOUBLE THE FUN". Meh, maybe they deserve to die.

[Junket]

Originally Posted by 0ctavarium

Yeah that is true. I just feel sorry for the countless "HEY LET'S SHOOT DOUBLE THE DOSE, IT'S DOUBLE THE FUN". Meh, maybe they deserve to die.

Those are the same type of people who are trying to chug a whole bottle of 151.. It's all the better if they don't produce any kids

[Junkhead23]

IN SWIMs opinion alcohol, nicotine, crack cocaine and alcohol are the most dangerous substances but for different reasons.

Nicotine will almost certainly kill you eventually in some shape or form.

Alcohol dependence is a horrible thing to witness. A person will slowly kill themselves and because it is legal they think it is somehow ok and it won't do them any harm.

Heroin because of the dangers associated with injecting and overdose and also the massive influence it has on both society and the user and their family.

Crack cocaine also because of it's effects to the persons personality. SWIM has seen some people change so much due to crack cocaine.

[Waffa]

Alfa, yes this is a shame i forget some of them (wasn't the poll limit 10?) .. later when i take look at the poll i realized that things like ketamine & inhalants including others are missing for sore, also crack cocaine & cocaine should be separate probably. Next time i will try to think through more the post


Well i was placing nicotine somewhere between soft and medium because even tho it does kill you often (..fast) ( i know 60 years old ONE who has smoked all their adult life) & its a addictive ( one cigarette might get you hooked) ...but in same time people do not harm themselves & surrounding people whit smoking to much (except little things like house fires caused by smoking (Smoking causes an estimated 30 percent of fire deaths in the United States) , second hand smoking (lifelong non-smokers with partners who smoke in the home have a 20–30% greater risk of lung cancer,in work 16-19%), accidents caused by smoking ( car crashes for starters), nicotine poisoning (nicotine in 5 cigarettes or 1 cigar can gill a person, for child one cigarette can be lethal), youth stealing (crime) to fill their nicotine habit & fights because someone wants a smoke (common here usually involves (street)Russians and one Estonian or tourist lol) & many other things parallels & relationships that can be drawn Relationship between PTSD symptomatology and nicotine dependence severity in crime victims and other "minor" things... well, here gos the "soft" category for cigarettes lol.

But still, i would not consider them same as heroine and cocaine. If you take 3000 people, and give first 1000 cocaine, one heroine & other cigarettes every day i for some reason think 2 first groups will have more problems whit in 2-3 years.

[Alfa]

Many important drugs are missing in this poll. I consider CCC's, nightshades, inhalants(glue, solvents, etc) amongst the most dangerous drugs.

[doggy_hat]

I only clicked on Nicotine and Heroine as being harmful. Heroine, obviously has the life controlling addiction that forces people into throwing their life away, although it is physically rather harmless, it's the addiction that destroys. And

Nicotine is also lethal, and highly addictive. I don't know many people that tried smoking and didn't end up with a daily habit. The shit kills your lungs and your destine to be in bad health until you eventually die. Although some seem to be naturally resilient to it's effects. There are people that can smoke a pack a day and still be good at cross country running, or people that smoke nonstop all day long for decades but still live to be over 80. Nicotine doesn't destroy life like a Heroin addiction would, as it's an easy to mantain habit that's socially acceptable. But none the less destroys health.

I didn't click Cocaine, because occasional use doesn't do significant harm. And it's way too overpriced to justify regular use. Most swimmers that SWIM knows who have tried it never get addicted because they don't want to waste their money buying it all the time.

Psychadelics are all medium drugs. Used responsible they don't cause harm, and it most cases, do the opposite. However they are powerful, and used by people with less than stable psyches or irresponsibley can be mentally damaging.

Alcohol is at the boundry between hard and medium. It's potential makes it a hard drug. As I can't think of many drugs that intoxicate people enough to make them stumble about rambling incoherently before falling asleep in a pool of vomit. A drunkard is going to be alot more destructive, both to himself and society, than a junkie nodding off on a bed. But at the same time, overall it is used in moderation by many people who aren't harmed significantly by it.

[Waffa]

LOL, one funny news i come across, to everyone who thinks nicotine is not strong drug:


Car chase ends, but not after suspect stops for cigs

New details tonight on the man who stopped to buy cigarettes while being pursued by the police.

The guy was allegedly on the run after a robbery, but he took the time to stop and the clerk who sold him the pack of cigarettes spoke to 3TV.

One guy was in a hurry today, dangerously weaving through traffic all over north central Phoenix. He really wanted to get away from police, but apparently he wanted a cigarette even more.

Your foot is not the best way to stop a truck but then again the alleged robber was in a hurry.

Jessi Singh was behind the counter when this still unidentified man came running into his store. He was running because police say he used a note to rob a Bank of America at 44th Street and Thomas at about 10 a.m.

Police followed the truck to an address on the 2100 block of East Yale, but before they could move in the suspect took off at high speed. Marked police units backed off and let the helicopter take over the pursuit and that's when the suspect did something very curious. He ran into an AM/PM for his nicotine fix.

“Pack of cigarettes, pack of cigarettes,” the alleged suspect said. “Quick, pack of cigarettes. Here here's 20 bucks. Give me a pack of cigarettes. Please, matches need some matches. Keep the change. Come on. Thank you.”

He was in there for only about 20seconds and took off with a squeal of the tires...

Source: http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/s....aa887cef.html


LoL, i feel so sorry for this guy

[chillinwill]

Red Rock would consider crack, meth, nicotine, alcohol, heroin, prescription drugs such as Oxycodone and benzodiazepines and inhalants as the most harmful drugs (not in any particular order there). He believes this because of not just only the addiction potential, but the # of deaths per year and several other factors. In terms of the softest drugs, Red Rock would think cannabis, MDMA (if not overused), mushrooms, and LSD would be the safer ones. No drug is perfect but some have less addiction potential and clearly more medicinal or practical uses such as MDMA being used to treat PTSD and cannabis becoming more widespread legally.

[vinylmesh]

Addiction is more to do with HOW the drugs is done rather than the drugs itself. The faster the come-up, the more likely addiction is to occur (think inhaled crack vs snorted cocaine). Another factor is whether or not the drugs acts by directly interfering with the brains reward system.

SWIM would bet all his earthly possesions that when taken orally, heroin would not be significantly more addictive than say kratom or codeine.

SWIM thinks that ideally, people should only ever take drugs by oral ingestion and that people should only ever take drugs that are pure isolated chemicals (SWIM realises that this is not possible with prohibition, but SWIM doesn't think the current situation should have anything to do with this conversation as we are talking about the dangers of the actual drugs themselves).

Any drugs whose oral ingestion is problematic (nicotine, cocaine) gets a tick.

Any drug that is not an isolated chemical (cannabis, opium, tobacco) gets a tick (plant material gives you other not so nice chemicals aswell, especially if smoked)

Any drug that is unnecesarily toxic (alcohol, methamphetamine) gets a tick.

SWIM did not give MDMA a tick because there is no non-toxic alternative (as of yet).

SWIM will continue to enjoy cannabis occasionally (despite giving it a tick), as gauranteed safe orally ingestable chemical alternatives are not available. However, SWIM puts this entirely down to prohibition. All that is needed is some safety studies on already existing synthetic cannabinoids which tbh are probably safe. Rather than new drugs being invented as is the case with MDMA.

[Waffa]

Current trend after 220 voters 16 may:

Heroine . . . . . . . . . 179. - . 81%
Alcohol (Ethanol) . . .147. - . 66%
Cocaine . . . . . . . . .138. - . 62.7%
Nicotine (cigarettes) 137. - . 62%
Opium (smoking) . . . 74 . - . 33%
MDMA (exctasy) . . . 40 . - . 18%
LSD . . . . . . . . . . . .29 . - . 13%
Mescaline . . . . . . . .25 . - . 11%
DMT . . . . . . . . . . . 23 . - . 10%
Mushrooms . . . . . . .20 . - . 9%
Marijuana . . . . . . . . 7 . - . 2%

Well, i am sore most international community would call this results as clear bullshit (as i have shown it many smarter people who sit next to me & their reaction lol). Anyway, lets keep the poll up, would be great to get 100 votes - but i do not think the 100 or 200 hundred votes will change the order of drugs to much in this list



Also want to thank you vinylmesh for great answer and also others who contribute to this thread, you know who you are

& now same other lists by other sources (many of them are posted here before):

The Top Twenty Most Dangerous Drugs According to BBC Horizon (last update: last updated on2/6/2008 ) - this is made by gov themselves. Actually all this is based on The Lancet study (look @ the bottom of page)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6474053.stm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/h...rugsreport.pdf
http://www.listology.com/content_sho...id.32791/Other
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04425055281170 (film abut this)
1 Heroin A
2 Cocaine A
3 Barbiturates (Sedatives) B
4 Methadone (Opioid) A
5 Alcohol Legal
6 Ketamine C
7 Benzodiazepines (Sedatives) C
8 Amphetamine (Speed) B
9 Tobacco legal
10 Buprenorphine (Opioid) C
11 Cannabis C
12 Solvents Legal
13 4-methylthioamphetamine (amphetamine derivative) A
14 LSD A
15 Methylphenidate(Ritalin) B
16 Anabolic steroids C
17 Gamma 4-hydroxybutyric acid (depressant, “date-rape drug”) C
18 Ecstasy A
19 Amyl Nitrate (nitrite inhalants, “poppers”) Legal
20 Khat (plant-derived stimulant) Legal (illegal in USA)

(basically good but....cannabis more bad then solvents?! I do not think so, also a lot of the others in this list is invalid even on their own website, look next list... but it's good start considering that it's gov supported study)

It's good to add to the previous list this list - I took them, add them to almost logical order by harm and then also calculated death rate based on these numbers (but ofcourse statistic numbers does not mean facts, but still, fun to see... It's all based on BBC own website Similar list was posted before but this is updated one
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/prog.../drugs/survey/

1 Heroin (brown, skag, gear, smack) UK users: 300,000 UK deaths/year: 700 Class-A (death rate: 0.23 % (4th) )
2 Cocaine & Crack (Charlie, coke, base) UK users: 780,000 UK deaths/year: 214 Class-A (death rate 0.027 % (7th) )
3 Tobacco (nicotine, cigarettes, cigars) UK users: 10 million UK deaths: 114,000 (20% of UK deaths) Legal (death rate:1.4% (1st) )
4 Benzodiazepines ( benzos, downers) UK users: 100,000 UK deaths/year: 406 Class C (Death rate 0.406% (3nd) )
5 Alcohol (beer, vodka, whiskey etc) UK users: 40 million UK deaths/year: 40,000, Legal (death rate: 0.1 % (6th) )
6 Street methadone ( the precious, slime, green) UK (illegal) users: 33,000, UK deaths/year: 295 Legal? (death rate 0.89 % (2th) )
7 Solvents (clue, paint, casoline etc) UK users: 30,000 UK deaths/year: 50-60 Legal ( death rate 0.183% (5th) )
8 Amphetamine (speed, whiz, dexies or billys) UK users: 430,000 UK deaths/year: 35 Class-A & B ( 0.0081% (8th) )
9 Barbiturates ( pink ladies, red devils,depression, anxiety & insomnia pils ) UK users: NA UK deaths/year: 20 Class-C
11 Anabolic steroids UK (illegal) users: 42,000 UK deaths/year: 0, Class-C
12 Ketamine (special K, vitamin K) UK users: 100,000 UK deaths: 1, Class-C (death rate 0.001% (9th))
13 GHB (liquid ecstasy) UK users: NA UK deaths/year: 3, Class-C (could be fatal whit alcohol or overdose )
14 4-MTA ( flatliner, goldeneagle). UK users: NA, UK deaths/year: 0. Class-A (many deaths in USA)
15 Alkyl nitrites (poppers, liquid gold) UK users: 400,000 UK deaths: 0 recorded. Legal
16 Ecstasy (E, hug drug, love drug) UK users: 500,000 UK deaths/year: 27. Class-A ( death rate 0.0054% (10th) )
17 Cannabis ( dope, hash and bob ) UK users: 3 million UK deaths/year: 1 Class-C (death rate 0.000033 % (11th) )
18 Khat (Abyssinian tea, African salad) UK users: 40,000 UK deaths per year: 0 Legal (70-80% of adult males use khat in Yemenis)
18 Buprenorphines ( subbies, temmies ) UK users: unknown UK deaths/year: 2 Class C
20 Methylphenidate ( vitamin R ) UK users: 15,000 UK deaths/year: 0 Class A
21 LSD ( Lucy, trips, paper mushrooms ) UK users: 83,000 UK deaths/year: 0 Class A
& i might add:
21 DMT - natural in our body and in many plants, not addictive and likely drug that can not be abused or used as party drug Class A
22 Psilocybin Mushroooms (just in Holland 4 million dosages per year was bought from stores (home uses unknown) & we had 0 death's Class A


It's kind of funny to see that tobacco will kill you around 259 times more then Ecstasy & 51 times more often then Crack/Cocaine by % xD
You should also consider add to the alcohol (that looked so good) all the injuries, fights, breakup's, etc caused by alcohol to get real picture... People themselves vote on BBC to be 3 most dangerous drugs in this order: Alcohol, Heroin & Tobacco.




Correlation between mean scores from the independent experts and the specialist addiction psychiatrists
1=heroin. 2=cocaine. 3=alcohol. 4=barbiturates. 5=amphetamine. 6=methadone. 7=benzodiazepines. 8=solvents. 9=buprenorphine. 10=tobacco. 11=ecstasy. 12=cannabis. 13=LSD. 14=steroids.



Main article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_abuse
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(m ean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg
Data source is the March 24, 2007 article: Nutt, David, Leslie A King, William Saulsbury, Colin Blakemore. "Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse" The Lancet 2007


(also on this link you can arrange different drugs by harm and by other parameters)



http://www.impactlab.com/2007/07/09/...oxicity-chart/
This is a very revealing chart that shows how dangerous our illegal drugs are. Notice that over half are far less lethal than alcohol. And that most common spice - nutmeg - is one of the most dangerous.



Ten Most Dangerous Drugs By Dr. Ben Kim on March 25, 2007
http://drbenkim.com/ten-most-dangerous-drugs.html

1 Heroin - popular street names include smack, skag, and junk.
2 Cocaine - often referred to as snow, flake, coke, and blow.
3 Barbiturates - popular slang names include yellow jackets, reds, blues, Amy's, and rainbows.
4 Street Methadone
5 Alcohol
6 Ketamine - a powerful hallucinogen, often referred to as Special K.
7 Benzodiazepines - a family of sedative drugs.
8 Amphetamines - known as greenies among baseball players.
9 Tobacco
10 Buprenorphine - also called bupe or subbies.

The remaining drugs that were assessed in this study ranked as follows:

11 Cannabis - includes marijuana.
12 Solvents - volatile substances that can be inhaled, such as glue, nail polish remover, paints, hair spray, and lighter fuel (gas).
13 4-MTA - is a derivative of amphetamine and has similar effects to ecstasy.
14 LSD
15 Methylphenidate - central nervous system stimulant, commonly sold as ritalin.
16 Anabolic steroids
17 GHB - short for Gamma hydroxybutyrate, a powerful central nervous system depressant, most commonly known as the date rape drug.
18 Ecstasy
19 Alkyl nitrates - group of drugs commonly referred to as poppers.
20 Khat - an amphetamine-like stimulant.



Which Drug is Most Addictive? A List Ranking the Addictive Properties of Commonly Abused Drugs
http://www.troubleblog.com/addiction...-drugs-0408560

100 - Nicotine
99 - Ice, Glass (Methamphetamine smoked)
98 - Crack
93 - Crystal Meth (Methamphetamine injected)
85 - Valium (Diazepam)
83 - Quaalude (Methaqualone)
82 - Seconal (Secobarbital)
81 - Alcohol
80 - Heroin
78 - Crank (Amphetamine taken nasally)
72 - Cocaine
68 - Caffeine
57 - PCP (Phencyclidine)
21 - Marijuana
20 - Ecstasy (MDMA)
18 - Psilocybin Mushrooms
18 - LSD
18 - Mescaline

Research was conducted by John Hastings, and the full text article can be found at "In Health" journal



The Most Addictive Drugs info for parents
http://www.drugrehabtreatment.com/mo...ive-drugs.html
( Dr. Jack E. Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California at San Francisco attempted to define the most addictive drugs by ranking six psychoactive substances on the five criteria they found most applicable to addiction)
1 Nicotine
2 Heroin
3 Cocaine
4 Alcohol
5 Caffeine
6 Marijuana

(so this is not list 6 MOST but of these 6 - most addictive. Like you can see Marijuana is below caffeine)


Top 10 most dangerous drugs
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....&in_page_id=34

Source: The Lancet and the BBC

Data from The Lancet (The Lancet is the world's leading general medical journal and specialty journals in Oncology, Neurology and Infectious Diseases). This is same list basically that was first one in here from BCC Horizont

Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...04644/fulltext
Assessment parameters for these graphs:

Mean harm scores for 20 substances
Classification under the Misuse of Drugs Act, where appropriate, is shown by the colour of each bar.





http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...gs_to_use.html
June 11, 2007 by Jason Freeden (Owner of DrugContent.com & Proffessional writer) - Pinocchio will write him professional letter later asking if he needs some mental health himself)

1. Heroin
2. Methamphetamine aka Crystal Meth
3. OxyContin ©
4. LSD (very addictive and dangerous)
5. MDMA aka Ecstasy (Very addictive) All in all, this is a very dangerous medication to take,

(this article sounds (aside of BS) like its made for junkyes to advertise different legal medications to get high,just look all the ©'s there )



More links:


Which drugs are the most addictive?
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/.../basicfax5.htm
(ratings for: Withdrawal Reinforcement Tolerance Dependence Intoxication)

http://onlineworldsecurity.com/main-...-21st-century/ - Well, you think heroin is most dangerous, think again :P

I also find that good source to find all most dangerous effects by common medications is from lawyers websites, here is 2 first ones i found:

Dangerous (medical) Drug List
http://www.jrlawfirm.com/specific_drugs.htm

http://productliability.lawyercentra...2-8821-37.html
Virtual Drug – the most dangerous drug of the 21st century….

Reputation Comments on this post:

Very useful post compiling top ten most dangerous/addictive etc etc drugs

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by doggy_hat

Nicotine doesn't destroy life like a Heroin addiction would, as it's an easy to mantain habit that's socially acceptable. But none the less destroys health.
About alchohol But at the same time, overall it is used in moderation by many people who aren't harmed significantly by it.

These guys wouldnt agree with what you said about cigarettes:

http://www.topnews.in/health/files/mouth_cancer_0.jpg

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/smoking_1a.jpg

You even said yourself that smoking cigarettes even kills those around you. No other drug does such a thing. That in itself has to put cigarettes at the top of the chart for harmful drugs surely? Babies have died because of their parents smoking in the same room. If you were to do any other drugs fair enough you couldn't look after them properly but you wouldn't be killing them would you?

Also with alcohol something like 50% of all violent crime is purpetrated by those on alcohol. Also alcoholism is more likely to kill you than other addictions such as opiates.

Junkhead23 added 3 Minutes and 36 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by TheMainException

Ecstasy ON ITS OWN without any adulterants is very safe as long as the user drinks enough water. When you add in reality, what is called "Ecstasy" is often just a bunch of chemicals thrown together and sold to people who are too dumb to take precautions or just don't care. SWIY can't die from E alone if SWIY is drinking water. This is what makes it less dangerous. (But I don't think Opium is all that dangerous either)

Except for those who overdose or those who are allergic. Also there is such a thing as over hydration

[doggy_hat]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

These guys wouldnt agree with what you said about cigarettes:

http://www.topnews.in/health/files/mouth_cancer_0.jpg

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/smoking_1a.jpg

You even said yourself that smoking cigarettes even kills those around you. No other drug does such a thing. That in itself has to put cigarettes at the top of the chart for harmful drugs surely? Babies have died because of their parents smoking in the same room. If you were to do any other drugs fair enough you couldn't look after them properly but you wouldn't be killing them would you?

Also with alcohol something like 50% of all violent crime is purpetrated by those on alcohol. Also alcoholism is more likely to kill you than other addictions such as opiates.

Junkhead23 added 3 Minutes and 36 Seconds later...




Except for those who overdose or those who are allergic. Also there is such a thing as over hydration

Those pictures are extreme examples. I could show you a picture of a stoner that hasn't bathed in a month watching cartoons in his underwear, but that doesn't mean every stoner is so lazy. I've never seen people get that fucked up from smoking. Most people just develop a chronic cough and a piss poor physical stamina, and maybe get lung cancer when they're old. And even then being addicted to cigarettes won't cause you to blow every last penny on them at the expense of everything else, such as having a place to sleep or food to eat. That's the main point I was trying to express when I said nicotine was less harmful than heroin. If a heroin addict could purchase a day's worth of heroin for $3 and being able to focus their time on other things besides scoring, then I'd agree that nicotine is more harmful, but that's not reality.

Alcohol may be involved in many violent crimes, but you need to think of how many more people drink but don't do any other drugs. There are countless people who won't give a second thought about getting excessively drunk and passing out on a bathroom floor but are scared shitless of smoking pot because it's illegal. And even then, that's usually just on the weekends. Most people don't drink like that everyday. Alcohol, really isn't that addictive compared to other drugs. Although it is horrible when people do get addicted.

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by doggy_hat

Those pictures are extreme examples. I could show you a picture of a stoner that hasn't bathed in a month watching cartoons in his underwear

Probably best not to embarrass yourself though, eh?

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by doggy_hat

Those pictures are extreme examples. I could show you a picture of a stoner that hasn't bathed in a month watching cartoons in his underwear, but that doesn't mean every stoner is so lazy. I've never seen people get that fucked up from smoking. Most people just develop a chronic cough and a piss poor physical stamina, and maybe get lung cancer when they're old. And even then being addicted to cigarettes won't cause you to blow every last penny on them at the expense of everything else, such as having a place to sleep or food to eat. That's the main point I was trying to express when I said nicotine was less harmful than heroin. If a heroin addict could purchase a day's worth of heroin for $3 and being able to focus their time on other things besides scoring, then I'd agree that nicotine is more harmful, but that's not reality.

Alcohol may be involved in many violent crimes, but you need to think of how many more people drink but don't do any other drugs. There are countless people who won't give a second thought about getting excessively drunk and passing out on a bathroom floor but are scared shitless of smoking pot because it's illegal. And even then, that's usually just on the weekends. Most people don't drink like that everyday. Alcohol, really isn't that addictive compared to other drugs. Although it is horrible when people do get addicted.

Yes but withdrawals from alcohol can kill you. Withdrawals from heroin cannot. Addiction fucks people up regardless of what they are addicted to or it can. There is no talking to an addict to try and get them to stop regardless of the substance. The legality of alcohol makes it seem ok for people to do it in excess. There are people who have serious cirrhosis of the liver who are only 30. These people were not even alcoholics they were just weekend drinkers. It's strange but binge drinking can actually be just as harmful as drinking all the time.

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

There are people who have serious cirrhosis of the liver who are only 30. These people were not even alcoholics they were just weekend drinkers. It's strange but binge drinking can actually be just as harmful as drinking all the time.

Much more so, in fact. If SWIM didn't drink at all during the week but 'saved up' the equivalent amount of alcohol and chugged it all in a few hours on a Friday or Saturday night, he'd be proper messed up. Or quite likely dead.

There are countries where people drink just as much alcohol as they do in the UK, in total, but have far lower rates of liver disease as they drink continuously but moderately throughout the week, and usually drink with food rather than on its own.

[honourableone]

Originally Posted by Waffa

(updated 6 jan, 21:35)
Soft:
Caffeine
Khat - Catha Edulis
Mescaline
GHB
Anabolic steroids
Mushrooms
LSA
Salvia
Marijuana
Nitrous (mentioned by 0ctavarium)
4-MTA
Methylphenidate
Medium:
Cigarettes
average Antidepressants
DMT
MDA
Ayahuasca
MDMA
LSD
DXM / CCC (Coricidin) (pointed out by 0ctavarium & Alfa, thread about CCC)
Opium
Buprenorphine (added later)
Hard:
Alcohol
Morphine
Ketamine
Codeine
Amfetamine
Methamphetamine (added later)
Benzodiazepines (added later)
Solvents / inhalants (added later) (mentioned by Alfa)
Street methadone (added later)
Cocaine
Nightshades
Barbiturates
Crack Cocaine
Heroine

If I were to change your list, I would:
Put CCC in the hard drugs section (leaving solitary DXM in medium - it's all the extra actives in CCC that make it so dangerous);
Put codeine into medium - SWIM considers it safer than opium, as opium contains both morphine and codeine, and with opium safe dosage is much harder to calculate due to varying degrees of plant potency;
Put ketamine in medium - with regards to physical damage, it is much harder to achieve overdose than with it's fellow (lesser) dissociative, DXM, ignoring arguable factors about the most common method of consumption (e.g. syrup vs. powder);
Put nightshades/similar deleriants in a whole super dangerous category of their own

I would seriously consider:
Placing amphetamine in Medium, and maybe benzodiazepines as well.

You have covered most of the more popular drugs, which is the most important thing with a list like this. Maybe PCP could be put into hard, Kava-kava into soft, and oxycodone in medium (one of the more common opiods left, although filling
I'm not completely sure if you have put the drugs in individual categories into any order, but I wouldn't suggest this as the fine points of where some substances would be is too debatable.

[Wierd Logic]

Excellent compilation of lists Waffa, I shall be directing people to your post!

[runitsthepolice]

Wow so right now it looks like a lot of people think that alcohol and cigarettes are the most dangerous. Seriously guys? Swim hates that those two drugs get preferential treatment in society but the fact of the matter is that they are not the most dangerous. Cigarettes take decades to even begin to have significant adverse health effects on the body. If someone were to use another drug, say heroin, daily for decades the outcome would be much worse, right? As for alcohol try comparing it to ghb. With alcohol, the effects are similar to ghb except that the dosages for alcohol are much higher. The average person is much better at counting the number of beers they've had in the last hour than counting the amount of ml of G they are consuming over the period of time. One drop too many and someone may find themselves waking up in a hospital. Most alcohol related deaths are from car crashes and driving under the influence of any substance is irresponsible.

All drugs can be used safely, but for this survey swim chose LSD because of the adverse mental health effects and loss of control that a high dose can cause. Swim firmly believes that all drugs should be legal and people should be responsible for themselves however.