Combinations - Amanitas, DXM, HBWS, Kava Kava

[alentravorski]

Well Swim is planning to do this in the next two months. He is not sure how he will space the drugs out time wise, but it may go something like this:

HBWS (10-12 seeds, and taked first b/c they probably take the longest to kick in), and after about 2-3 hours take the Amanitas (8-12g) and DXM (500-600mg) at the same time. In 1-3 hours, when both of those start to take full effect, he would take the kava kava. By this time all of them should be in effect. Swim would then take kava kava in 1-2 hour intervals until the trip is over.

Swim has never had any experiance with HBWS seeds and Amanitas.
How do Swiy people think the trip will be like? Mystical? Horrible? Psychadelic?

What about CEV's and OEV's? Also Swim would like to know if there is any real danger to this, or if it would be to much for him.

And if anyone you know had combinations similar to this, do tell!

[infekt]

Honestly, it sounds terrible to swim. But perhaps not. Under the influence of DXM and HBWS swiy may already have a fair amount of nausea, but add trying to down some kava, it sounds like it could make swiy very sick. Swim doesn't know much about amanitas, still isn't sure what it's effects really are.

[alentravorski]

Well, Sim has never been sick or nauseous from DXM or Kava Kava, and his stomach can take some pretty nasty shit before Swim starts feeling queezy!

Swim thinks that he won't be too nauseous when taking these substances, so he is mainly curious about the effect they would have.

[Felix Guattari]

Too much, IMO. If SWiY has no experience with amanitas and HBWR, then don't start off with them by mixing with every other drug SWiY's tried.

The doses are all simply too high IMO. DXM+HBWR sounds like it might be interesting, but definitely try the woodrose by itself first, and at a lower dose.

As for amanitas, if they sound like a fun time to you, you should read more trip reports. Try erowid. Amanitas, esp. at such high doses, are intense, and SWiM would never consider mixing with DXM, what with the pharmacological complexities of both drugs. Frankly, I have no idea why anyone would even think about mixing these two, particularly if they hadn't had amanitas.

We're not really talking about 'tripping' or 'O/CEVs' at this point; this is more like possibly neurotoxic long-term delirium. That's not to say that this categorically shouldn't be done, but rather that you've better have some really good reason to try it.

Just look at the reports on erowid relating to such combinations and you'll have some idea of why this seems like an awful idea to me.

[alentravorski]

Swim has looked at erowid... there are not enough trip reports to get a good idea on the thing! Does Swiy suggests a different combination? Like a low dose of DXM, pot, and HBWS only?

[infekt]

I've actually heard that hbwr and dxm are a good combination, well, lsa and dxm anyways. Swim is sure a little pot wouldn't have such a huge negative effect, but swiy should becareful.

[alentravorski]

Oh really? Why is that?

[Felix Guattari]

Hmm.. there were quite a few relevant reports when I looked:


Erowid experiences with Morning Glory and DXM.

An experience with amanitas, DXM and HBWR.

Morning Glory and DXM.

Morning Glory and amanitas.

Amanitas and HBWR.


Erowid does have a really kickin' search engine for reports. It should be at the top of any experience report on the menu bar under 'search'.

[ATWA]

This is my first post. I do not really want to start out negative but. Is SWIM wanting to die? Please. This mixture is just so irresponsible I am speechless. One has no idea what will happen with such a mixture of unknown alkaloids, drugs and mycological toxins. Please SWIM...Slow down.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Over-reacting, not that the person is being smart, but hardly a deadly combo. no unkown alkaloids

[alentravorski]

Die? No Swim does not want to die ATWA, but would ATWA care to explain the exact dangers of mixing those particular subs.?

A thorough explanation would be awesome, as well as some suggested combination's Swim should take instead!

[ATWA]

Originally Posted by alentravorski

Die? No Swim does not want to die ATWA, but would ATWA care to explain the exact dangers of mixing those particular subs.?

A thorough explanation would be awesome, as well as some suggested combination's Swim should take instead!

Yes. The exact dangers are that we do not know the exact dangers. You are working with some very strong mycological toxins and plant alkaloids here. Both LSA and Amanita can have vascular effects. DXM when combined with other things has been reported to cause heart attacks. So anyone with experience with these things knows that they are complicated.

I mean this is not like if one mixed LSD and DXM. Which SWIM would not recommend anyway. But these plants SWIM is working with contain numerous alkaloids with complex and strong physical effects. So it is just obviously too "iffy" a situation. I mean but no you are not going to find any ethnobotanist/toxicologist that could tell SWIM exactly what would happen. But I can guarantee that the consensus of opinion will be to not combine these things. I mean Amanita itself is unpredictable enough much less to mix it with other unpredictable molecules.

And reducing it down to another level I am sure my shamanic teacher would say as we sat on the rainforest floor. "Too many spirits"

[gwarek2]

This combination will leave SWIY feeling miserable for sure. SWIY will be puking his brains out and wondering/hoping he will die. The HBW seeds are very harsh on the stomach as well as amanitas and high dosage dxm. If SWIM was SWIY, SWIM would go for just the HBW +DXM or HBW + amanitas, not so sure about the amanitas and DXM.

[Potter]

Nobody would question the large milk consumption (kava kava) in the middle of an already nauseous tripp.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of good that comes out of lots of mixing of unrelated substances. One or two can be useful, maybe a fourth if it's short acting (like nicotine, nitrous or saliva), but what is listed above just seems like a good way to get sick. Everything listed has a pretty heavy body load, and act on very different areas of the brain, considering how disorienting they are on their own, just doesn't seem like anything good can come of this.

[Routemaster Flash]

SWIM's only HBWR experience screwed him over big time and the dose was THREE - that's right, THREE (3) - seeds. Only other drug invoved was a moderate amount of alcohol. So just be careful - this combination sounds like it has the potential to be pretty damn rough.

[ATWA]

For the ethnobotanical "rocket scientist" that bad reped me and made this statement:

"Over-reacting, not that the person is being smart, but hardly a deadly combo. no unkown alkaloids"

First of all it well could be a deadly combination so saying "hardly" is pretty ignorant. And while we are aware of the alkaloids in the said plants we are not aware of interactions between them. And both LSA along with other alkaloids in HBWS can cause significant peripheral problems like vasoconstriction and claudication. Now if you superimpose the mucimol and ibotenic acid along with the other chemicals you have no idea what is going to happen. And DXM has a tendency to interact badly with many molecules. So it is too much of an unknown. But WTF?? Overreacting? I am sorry if I sounded harsh but I don't want to see anyone get hurt and this is an extremely imprudent combination.

Reputation Comments on this post:

this is great advice...keep up the good work

[alentravorski]

Thanks ATWA! Yeah, Swim wasn't really thinking this could ever be a good idea, but was curious b/c he is able to obtain all of them... and just wants a good legal trip!

Swim thinks gwarek has the right idea: Only HBWS and DXM... sounds fun. What do you think, ATWA?

[ATWA]

Well what do I think? Well I think personally I would not take DXM or HBWS. But SWIM has taken both a lot years ago. But it is all personal preference. I mean I think at the very very least if a person was going to do this then they should have experience with both independently first. But still even if LSD and DXM would be an OK combination that does not mean that LSA and DXM would as well. But it is all personal opinion.

Now I am still not really comfortable with this. But I am a hell of a lot more comfortable with the elimination of the Amanita.

Remember that set and setting is extremely important in a trip. Personally SWIM would take the HBWS and do it in a right place both mentally and physically. With sacramental ritualistic like preparations like abstinence from drugs and fasting and stuff before the experience.

But we all must seek our own path so I wish SWIM well whatever SWIM decides to do. Good or bad I just want SWIM to be alive to reflect on the experience. That's all.

[alentravorski]

Thanks ATWA, you rule! Well Swim decided he might go for the HBWS combination with the DXM, albeit in very moderate quantities, and he will stay away from the shrooms... sounds to risky! Swim thinks of including some pot if there is to be nausea, but besides that Swim doesn't want to include anything else, cuz he doesn't want to risk being sick. Also, setting will not be a problem for him, because he is going to take these things when Swim wil go on a trip to an exclusive island with plam trees and fauna abound! Just a very laid back atmosphere, in Swim's opinion, so I think he is set!

[gwarek2]

SWIM is a big fan of mixing psychedelics with dissociatives i think the HBW and DXM could turn out beautiful if SWIY went into it with the right intentions, also swim recently did kava kava and HBW, the kava ruined the trip and it got much better as the slugish haze of the kava wore off and the psychedelic clearity set in. swim loves hbw.