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Old 03-01-2009, 14:06
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Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

Can police dogs smell medical grade oxycodone? Is this something they are trained to do? Any info is appreciated!
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Old 03-01-2009, 15:55
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

Dogs can be trained to sniff just about anything... so there is no reason to think that the dogs wouldn't pick up this scent since it's a readily abused drug.

However, one must remember that dogs don't have super powers. Dogs can't sniff through glass or plastic, so if SWIY ever thinks they'll be in a situation where police dogs will be around (besides not going, or leaving said drugs behind)... it's a reasonable assumption that if SWIY puts the medicine in its container inside an airtight metal container of some kind then chances for detection would be small.

However any residue from the pills that ends up on any of the containers or SWIY himself could cause a police dog to react.

Some things that are said to ruin police dogs sense of smell (temporarily) are coffee beans, mustard, and ammonia. However, swim would imagine these things to be very odd to carry around or very distinct smelling... and swim isn't sure how well any works (never tried).
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

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Can police dogs smell medical grade oxycodone? Is this something they are trained to do? Any info is appreciated!
SWIM is sure there are certin dogs that can detect diffrent oders including these type of opiates.
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Dogs can't sniff through glass or plastic, it's a reasonable assumption that if SWIY puts the medicine in its container inside an airtight metal container of some kind then chances for detection would be small.

However any residue from the pills that ends up on any of the containers or SWIY himself could cause a police dog to react.

Some things that are said to ruin police dogs sense of smell (temporarily) are coffee beans, mustard, and ammonia. However, swim would imagine these things to be very odd to carry around or very distinct smelling... and swim isn't sure how well any works (never tried).
There is a VERY useful guide video on here called "Barry Coopers -Never get busted again".Although it deals mainly with the concealment of Marijuana it can give SWIY a better understanding as to how dogs detect smells.Although they don't have "Super powers",like mentioned above, they CAN smell "sent cones" from glass/plastic,and as far as masking the oder with coffee,mustered,etc..as per the video the dog CAN break down the sents to reveal exactly what is in a certin object/container.Watch the video it's VERY informative.

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Old 03-01-2009, 23:07
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

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they CAN smell "sent cones" from glass/plastic
THAT is very interesting, SWIM was always under the impression that dog were quite limited if faced with an airtight concealer with no residues on the concealer... just goes to show how well these doggies can be trained, huh? SWIM will have to watch that video when there's time - it sounds very informative.

But back to the original poster - do you know why SWIY might be worried about drug dogs? Is there any special event SWIY is planning on bringing the oxycodone to?
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Old 04-01-2009, 11:22
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

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But back to the original poster - do you know why SWIY might be worried about drug dogs? Is there any special event SWIY is planning on bringing the oxycodone to?
Certainly not, SWIM is just curious.

Is it common for drug dogs to spot oxycodone or medical grade opaites at airports/train station type places?
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Old 04-01-2009, 19:10
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

Another thing to concider is the quantity SWIY might be carring.Based on the question SWIM is guessing that SWIY does not have a script for oxy.In SWIM's oppinion if it's like just 1 or 2 pills there are easy ways of getting passed these type of things.However if it's a LARGE quantity that SWIY would have to make room to carry in a suitecase or back pack then detection is a concern.

In order to avoid a "How to Smuggle" type thread lets just say that dogs are trained to find various types of drugs(including opiates).There are ways that the "Big Boys" get passed this but if a dog is looking for something and it's right in front of him,chances are that he is going to find it.
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

put swiys drugs in a zip lock back with no air, then place that in a zip lock back with no air. wash it with soap and water. then sub merge in it some potent smelling liquid, or water. a friend of mine likes to go to mexico and bring back a few hundred eighties in a cola bottle weighted at the bottom. even if you get stopped. take a sip, get out of the car. keep sippin. hes been sniffed, never completely searched. ( like unbolting seats and shit). good luck!
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:16
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

SWIM appreciates the replies but SWIM is not looking for information on smuggling drugs. SWIM just wants to know if its common for people with prescription opiates, whether they have a prescription or not, to be spotted by drug sniffing dogs. Is this something one hears about a lot in the news or in articles?
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Old 09-01-2009, 19:20
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

SWIM was told by the dog handler at a prison she visited that the dogs are only trained to find specific illegal drugs. SWIM was interested because she always has to pre-warn the prison that she will be waring fent patches, she has visited several prisons, all with sniffer dogs but none have shown any interest.
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Old 11-01-2009, 20:01
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

SWIM watched the same video by barry cooper entitled, "never get busted again." the main piece of advice swim retained from it was the fact that the best way to throw off a drug dog's scent is to contaminate the stash with deer urine.
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:31
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

You can always spot the drug dogs anyway, they are the ones with the lil spoon attached to their collar . . . .

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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

deer urine, cat hair ANYTHING basically road kill even, its a DOG they all have some shit that drives them nuts BESIDES DRUGS.. they are conscious beings with their own personal tastes . maybe the dog has a cat obsession etcblabla.. and guys remember: the reason the officer will ask you separately while the veteran guy searches your ride.. "any pills in the car?.....(5min later) you sure no pills right?" and look for the SLIGHTEST FUCKING HESITATION or change in expression.....is because he will then proceed to call the dog TRAINED to smell pills. the dogs cant just smell all drugs period. each drug lets off a different aroma..we are trained to fear that they are super detection devices when really they are wrong half of the time and in some cases more (your lawyer will probably check the dogs record before court to see his accuracy)

marijuana is probably the worst thing one could travel with not to mention there's little money to be made when you are comparing the ratio of quantity to profit to pills,powder,etc. ... plus it is hard to eat/swallow unless prepared beforehand PLUS IT FUCKING STINKS UP YOUR RIDE days/weeks after being in there

pills are actually your BEST BET in terms of stealth. #1 they are small, meaning that 20 fucking pills pressed up tight can fit in the corner of a bag..ripped out and tied/burnt shut and it will be the size of 5 or so pennies on top of eachother. also, providing swiyou dont actually have twenty pills, if one carries 3or4 or whatever, swim can technically never get caught because he can swallow them upon being pulled over or whatever the case..so...UNTIL THE DAY authorities make it possible for a cop to just appear magically from out of nowhere directly into swiMY passenger seat and see his every move, swim can never get busted. impossible. he takes no risk 100% fact he cannot go to jail. he literally drives every fucking time with this swallowable amount held by his pinky/ringfinger while leaving free the other 3 fingers for radio/steering etc. the point in doing this is wasting no time when a cop gets behind you waiting for him to put his lights on..also, when someone gets in swims car he ALWAYS says, "you got n e drugs on u?, take them out of your pocket and keep them in your hand or somwehere where u can get to them right away" also he makes sure its a non lethal dose in case of having to swallow, sometimes the dose will be calculated where everyone in the car must split in order to avoid overdose and not get incarcerated as well.

#2 COPS DOGS CANNOT FUCKING SMELL THEM swim will not go into this but the fucking guy has proof ok..many different scenarios, different cops, different countries, diffrnt methods of smuggling or hiding..differnet pills, all proving the same thing leading to the same rule to use when pulling this off: IF AUTHORITIES CANNOT SEE/FEEL THEM - YOU ARE CLEAR

fuckin knowledge right there.

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Old 12-01-2009, 04:19
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

Not exactly sure how this fits in but here are some observations for consideration in this article.

* Opiate pills may be more difficult for opiate trained detection dogs to detect because of either the time release wax coating / infusion.

* This may not always be the case for a well trained dog because a friend of SWIM got caught with 20 "grey nurses" (100mg MScontin) by a sniffer dog.

*If one has been in contact with opiates in a powder form (even pills in powder form) then the chances of detection are higher.

* If the pills had been rattling around in a pill bottle previously they may have small amounts of powder on the outside of them from ware, also increasing the chances of detection.

* Deer urine, cat hair, etc can be bad. Lets consider a drug dog taking an interest in something BECAUSE it smells either attractive or unusual to it. This may cause a false positive ID from the dog and one would get caught anyway. If a dog takes unusual interest in an item then chances are the handling officer will also.

Just some observations.
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Old 12-01-2009, 21:13
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

i think when he said contaminate it with deer urine that he meant you keep the deer urine out where the officer can see it and then just claim the dog was reacting to the urine and he wont search you

cause if you just sprayed it with urine and the dog reacts it would be kinda pointless
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

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i think when he said contaminate it with deer urine that he meant you keep the deer urine out where the officer can see it and then just claim the dog was reacting to the urine and he wont search you

cause if you just sprayed it with urine and the dog reacts it would be kinda pointless
And explain to the officer why you had deer urine? If it was a known deterrent for sniffer dogs to officers they may say that this constitutes reasonable suspicion.

Just a thought . .
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

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Not exactly sure how this fits in but here are some observations for consideration in this article.

* Opiate pills may be more difficult for opiate trained detection dogs to detect because of either the time release wax coating / infusion.

* This may not always be the case for a well trained dog because a friend of SWIM got caught with 20 "grey nurses" (100mg MScontin) by a sniffer dog.

*If one has been in contact with opiates in a powder form (even pills in powder form) then the chances of detection are higher.

* If the pills had been rattling around in a pill bottle previously they may have small amounts of powder on the outside of them from ware, also increasing the chances of detection.

* Deer urine, cat hair, etc can be bad. Lets consider a drug dog taking an interest in something BECAUSE it smells either attractive or unusual to it. This may cause a false positive ID from the dog and one would get caught anyway. If a dog takes unusual interest in an item then chances are the handling officer will also.

Just some observations.

*Good point.


**pills in general compared to cocaine/heroin/marijuana/opium are MUCH LESS EASIER TO SMELL... bust out the notepad and put each substance up to swiYour nose and then let swiUs know what swiYou come up with. Just a general observation will do.

***contact with powdered form? pills rattling around in bottle retaining small particles increasing chance of detection? --> .......

......what if swim has 20 pills wrapped 30 times or so over with saran wrap so tight as if his life depended on it, and then he burnt it shut? unless the dogs like plastic thats all they will smell. so keep in mind, literally if his life depends on the compressed wrapping (which is down to a science) and swim's body cannot even break the package open to digest (and then shut down) - chances arrrrre its tight enough for both of swiYour statements to no longer pose a threat.

****Okay guys, this is kind of atoughy so lets get this strait: The Deer Urine (or any deterrent) should not, i repeat, SHOULD NOT go on the drugs swiyou are trying to hide from the dogs!!...okay? now, that being said lets try to have lil Bambi piss <^AWAY^> FROM THE STASH that way the dog is actually DETERRED. its hard to explain that one..but yea, deer piss can be tricky finding the right dosage and where to put it

As far as this "false positive goes", fucking DEAL WITH IT. SwiYou will not be going to jail because the dog's hyper sensitive nose actually sniffed something and did one of those crazy rare barking things! The dogs flip the fuck out regardless most of the time anyway.. then, what usually happens is...swiYou will be searched --> mainly because sometimes, when an officer pulls a suspicious person over asking if they are hiding anything illegal and then call a K-9, the thought of searching the vehicle may be on his mind.. now swim can't cite this info, but chances are if there is a dog involved to begin with....swiYour shit will be searched. "but what if i really don't have anything?"...well, then the guy snaps his finger while hiccuping at the same time and the dog barks.

wrap the shit up. tight. no, tighter. cops? wait, ok, yea they're pulling us over. swallow. ALL OF IT. don't try to be a hero. take the ticket and shut the fuck up, DO NOT ARGUE your opinion turns into a statement to a conviction. apologize respectfully, thank the cop and ask if you are free to go or if swiYou arebeing detained (shoot for a yes or no answer). if asked for permission to search vehicle, reply with "do i have a choice? i don't see why it's necessary" . now is when you REALLY SHUT THE FUCK UP and pray everyone with you does the same and answers everything No. i don't do that. i didn't know that was there. i don't know, no. no. look i really had no idea this is a first for me.

^^^^^If swYou follow that, and still manage to end up in jail, the case will most likely be dropped. Try to remember things like *how long the k-9 took to arrive *was the ticket given to swiYou AFTER the search. etc.

also, try to hide the fact that swiYou are black..wait uh..fuck it GOOD LUCK IN COURT

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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

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* This may not always be the case for a well trained dog because a friend of SWIM got caught with 20 "grey nurses" (100mg MScontin) by a sniffer dog.
If you dont mind me asking, what was SWIY's friend doing when he/she was caught, and where was he/she caught?
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

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If you dont mind me asking, what was SWIY's friend doing when he/she was caught, and where was he/she caught?
walking through an airport. He was getting off a domestic flight and sniffer from the international terminals came strait over to him. It was wrapped in plastic wrap very tightly etc.
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

A friend of a friend once brought 15 hydromorphones 3 oxy 80s and 2 roxy 30s on an airplane, concealed in her bra. not detected whatsoever. however im sure it is possible and the more attention the media pays to perscription abuse, the more common im sure it will become for dogs to sniff out oxycodone and other opiates.
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

had a friend fly with 10 roxy 30's in his pocket with no problem

wgm716 added 1 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

im going to brazil and im wrapping them in ciran wrap and puttin them in a plastic bag and putting them between my ass cheecks... im bringing about 40 roxy 30's and i dont think dogs can smell these and even if some dogs do what are the odds of them being able to smell that specefic drug... and there is hardly ever any dogs in airports when i go... and i dont think dogs can smell roxys anyways

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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

Had one "law enforcement" pal tell SWIM that oxy pills can be detected by dogs but they typically need specific training. His insight was most areas of US anyhow don't have dogs trained for it with the exception of Florida, KY where there was a lot of diversion problems back in late 90's and those places got a lot of bad press about oxy-c. His own dog hasn't been trained but he did attend a conference where the subject of pharma-drugs and dogs was covered. He did say that that nearly all the dogs failed when the oxy pills were wrapped in their own plastic then dropped inside a second bag with 10-15 "curiously strong wintergreen mints" He remarked that this defeated the dogs 19\20 times on most pills tested (but buddy didn't elaborate on exactly which pills besides oxy were tried..)

Not sure if SWIM is brave enuff to test first hand but did find it interesting anyhow
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Re: Drug sniffing dogs & oxycodone

best example of how a dog smells is this "if we smell soup....we only smell soup. when a dog smells soup, he smells potatoes, carrots, peas, meat, gravey...etc

that is why tryin to mask the smell with different oudours does not work

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