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Since I've been old enough to understand the government and drugs, one questioned has been burning in my mind... Why the hell does our government (the US) care so goddamn much about drugs?? I have come to two conclusions, both of which i think are true. 1) People on drugs tend to question things more...they THINK. While they might sit for hours on end listening to grateful dead music, druggies in general don't fall into the media trap of paying attention only to whats on the news, radio stations, newspapers, etc. You know, the Michael Jackson/Martha Stewart shit that we're bombarded with night and day,whilst thousands of innocent lives are taken in our "struggle to bring democracy to the people of Iraq". 2) The war on drugs is a civil war....it pits our own citizens against one another. Us drug users on one side going "what the fuck is wrong with you people", and the non-drug advocates on the other, constantly afraid that some crackhead is going to rob them, mug them, rape them, whatever. Look at how any type of drug user is protrayed by our government (AND by for-profit media........same thing folks)...we're a bunch of mindless drones! our only main goal in life is to get our dope, whatever that may be!!! How could the millions of us who haven't tried illicit substances supposed to react to the image being protrayed by the government!!! IT'S FEAR. and by filling the non-drug users with fear, they have nobody to turn to BUT their government.... "if it weren't for these police officers, we would be robbed nightly but horny, drug-seeking scum looking for their next fix!" now, they NEED that government. They wouldn't feel safe without it. Which means that they will be very much more open to the ideas of strict records kept for any financial account....increased security at airports...the police force having the right to search/question/hold anybody at anytime for ANY LENGHT OF TIME as long as it is the name of "national security" (patriot act.....)....they're willing to sacrifice their freedom for the feeling of security...a feeling they would need a hell of a lot less if they weren't afraid of the citizens of their own country. Any thoughts?? Edited by: whatsinaname |
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The war is never meant to be won, if it was all profits from it would dry up.
Drug dealers profit, the government profits, private industry profits, everyones a winnar!!11 |
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"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom, keep that in mind at all times, thank you." ~ Bill Hicks </span> |
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I've thought about the fact that when you're on drugs, you question stuff more (what's that rumor? Get caught with 100 hits of acid, and you can get charged with conspiracy against the government, or something like that). Also, the government is greedy... they can't tax sales of illegal drugs, so they're basically losing money. I heard somewhere that if the US gov't got control of marajuana trade, it would become legal. They'd probably tax the crap out of it as well. In that case, instead of "the War on Drugs", they might as well call it "the War for the Drug Market" . Ulterior motive in disguise maybe.Edited by: phungushead |
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I've had a theory about this for quite some time. I'll summarize it here, and try not to make it too lengthy: There is more than sufficient statistical evidence to prove that enforcement of drug laws have had a "controlling & regulating" affect rather than a deterrent effect. So, now your original question evolves to become, "Does our government maintain covert control and regulation of the drug trade?" And if so, " WHY?" There is a plausible motive to be found in the mentality of entrenched bureaucrats who believe that people too stupid to understand the "Big Picture". An established government cannot afford to allow a rouge entity that they cannot influence (be it an organized crime syndicate or a foreign drug cartel) to gain widespread political and cultural support; influencing the people to the point where they might rise up and threaten the status-quo set by the establishment. In the mind of a bureaucrat, the "Patriot Act" can be taken to newer clandestine levels under the premise that the US should covertly control international drug trafficking, instead of allowing a hostile entity (like "Al-Quida") from gaining access to such commerce and using it as a mechanism to further an agenda of destruction against us and our allies. Do I believe this is a is a widespread conspiracy, enacted secretly by our government?...No! Because if too many people knew then it would be too hard to keep the lid on it. However, I DO believe there are small groups of career bureaucrats (perhaps limited to only a few departments within our government) who act as the central authority over the controlling mechanisms that were intended to enforce drug laws. In this way they control the drug trade, while their colleagues in government either turn a blind eye to, or simply refuse to believe, the deception.Edited by: Woodman |
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I watched a multipart series on the History Channel called "Illegal
Drugs and How They Got That Way," I found it on a filesharing program. It was pretty well made and critical of US drug policy. I recommend everyone watch this. There are a lot of conspiracy theories about drugs, sometimes warranted, but since most people in government are fairly conservative (and ignorant), isn't the most likely explanation that they are simply afraid of what they don't know, and sincerely believe that drugs will (and are) turning our citizens into uncontrollable criminals? |
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There is a book about the history of drugs both legal and illegal called "Forces of Habit" I haven't got a change to read it yet still waiting for it from the library, but it sounds like a really interesting book once I get it and read it I will post a report about it.
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I don't know about you're government background , but in my experience most people in government (outside of the military) are either moderately or vehemently LIBERAL! But that is of little importance as the drug war is NOT a partisan issue. The ignorance that you mentioned is not confined to any political party, but it is only a tool by which the architects of the "Drug War" further their own interests. People are constantly manipulated into supporting restrictive legislation that can be used (alternately, and albeit covertly) to regulate the consumption and distribution of drugs. This restrictive legislation acts as a controlling mechanism, and provides the profiteers who engineer the "Drug War" with a legitimate authority over control of a world-wide drug trade. |
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Out of curiosity are you speaking of policy makers? or like mnost people in the government refering to social workers, probation officers, people who work at the social security officy or welfare workers and people of that section of the government? Becuase In my experience most of the policy makers where I am from are conservative, but then again I am from a red state.Edited by: drwoo |
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my theory on the war on drugs revolves around good ole uncle same having his hands in everyone (other countries pockets)... lets take bill clinton for example..... his war on drugs was primarily a war on crack or coke... why when coke has been used since the 50s... but he wisely used the media to make it seem as if there was a widespread epidemic of crack being distributed to our children in schools.... why would he do that? most of the coke we get comes from columbia..... well in that particular country the country iself does not have total control of its land...in fact a high percentage of the country is *controlled* by rebels......ironically the section where their oil pipeline is..... much of the rebels income to resist comes from cocaine sells and most of which is sold to the US... so if the US were to eliminate or greatly diminish the use of cocaine here.... this would severely limit the rebels ability to fight...enabeling columbia to retake back over that part of their country......and regulate the oil line.........my theory is the war on crack was an attempt to defeat the columbian rebels and find a plan *b* for oil instead of constantly relying upon the middle east
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most drugs I have seen probaby do alot of what they say it does, but they blow things out of proportion, I also knowthat people who are under the influence of certain drugs are a danger to themselves and others, of course we know how alcohol is legal but drunk peoplekill and injury thousands every year, so if alcohol is so dangerous why not make it illegal? I was reading about ghb being made illegal, yet it is a substance that is found normally in our tissues. I even read how meat has substantial amounts of this, I don't understand except maybe the drug companies don't want us to have alternatives to sleep aids that they promote which probably act in similar manner then of course gbh is metabolised normally and I have read people who use it to help them sleep feel refreshed unlike sleeping drugs. of course I know absolutly nothing about it, only reiterating what I read. I cannot however imagine the government being so dogmatic about substances our bodies naturally produce. I can only imagine the strong influence, and I emphasis strong influence, of the drug companies plays a big major role here in banning helpful, easily accessible substances, like banning typtophan in the usa, or gbh, and ephedra. so if they ban substances that have propensity to be abused or are abusedthen why don't then ban alcohol, tranquilizers, and such which are abused, and doctors prescribe them anyway. most drugs have the propesity for abuse, but by banning drugs then end up hurting people that would be benefitted by them. too bad. Edited by: peanut butter |
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I think there are two main reasons why drugs are illegal. 1. In today's world it is primarily because people, including people in government, simply belive the propaganda that was started and passed down from many decades ago. It is kind of a self-perpetuating phenonmenon. 2. The original main reason for prohibition, and all the propaganda used to support it, was that it was an easy way to put in prison people that were deaply hated for their ideas, or deaply hated for other reason, sometimes racial. You must understand hippies and beatniks and their type were extremely hated by main stream America becasue of their ideas. But the constitution protects people from being imprisoned simply cause of their ideas. But the constitution says nothing about drugs as such. It just so happens the drugs that were made illegal were those that were popular with these people, but not at all popular with mainstream America. |
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dude I could write a dissertation on this. When I got sober (the last time) in october I did nothing but read drug forums and read several books on rehabilitation (and how the gov. has made it bullshit) and how this whole thing got started. The best book is one called "Drug Crazy" by Mike Gray. It will change your view on politics and who really runs the country forever. I won't spoil it for anyone.
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I have to agree quite a bit with Softrat on this one. I think the people in
the government today simply believe the bullshit made up by past generations. Those that do realize how inaffective and downright counter productive the war on drugs is keep their mouth's shut if they want to remain in office. I also agree with Softrat's second point about racism being a main reason why the war on drugs was started. Some of the initial reasons given to make cocaine illegal was that they were afraid of black people getting hopped up on coke and rapeing white women. They also believed that Asian's would lure white women into opium dens where they would have their way with them and keep them their. They believed that Mexicans had an unfair advantage in the fields because they smoked marijuana, and they were afraid of their white youth being corrupted by them. Which two drugs didt white people stereotypically use again? Oh yeah it was alcohal and tobacco. Another huge factor in making marijuana illegal was lobbying from the logging industry and a few other industries I cant remember right now because of how effective hemp is in making certain goods. The war on drugs started out because of racism. It continues today because of ignorance and a warped sense of morality.&nb sp; |
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My take...
Legalizing drugs would move billions of dollars from one set of hands to another. This has the very real potential of completely destabilizing the economy. Ask yourself... what do you think violent carer criminals would do for income if their main source of profit was removed? Do you think they would open taco stands? What would happen to economies that are dependent on the collaboration between the justice/penal system and cooperate america? Prisons employ millions, and are embedded deeply into American socio political, and economic system. Changing this would create all kinds of outcomes that could seriously cripple a society that is hell bent on maximum growth. The drug war has it's roots in many places. It's continuation is IMO largely to insure the stability of a system that is derived by very touchy market systems. I doubt that may government officials are willing to risk the possible consequences of legalization for the cognitive liberty of a small minority of a largely non-voting population. |
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why drugs are illegal, simply put, it is a major source of income for all levels of law enforcement, I am talking about forfeits and fines. Plus it gives our military a excuse to run anti-dope exercises in south america. Gotta teach them colombias how to blow up processing plants and teach the locals to grows beans instead of coca plants. Not counting all the switch and bait schemes in the good ole USA.
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I find the hardest thing to deal with is the deep seated emotional
reaction from the majority of "regular" citizens in the country. They have no personal stake in drug prohibition, yet they will be damned if people will be allowed to use drugs legally. It is a emotional response that doesn't respond to reason, or logic. Until we can address this the fight is pointless. |
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Well... our downward spiraling country has been raging this "war on drugs" for several decades now, all with no or negative results. The following is what I think. As posted, laws were very much racially and culturally motivated when originally enacted. It is quite comical thatalcohol, the white european drugof choice as well as one of the most destructive mind altering substances known, remains so highly regarded and socially accepted. You would think our country has only been ran by white european decendents... oh wait, it has. How nice for them. I bet they would also love to be able to pass bills to give themselves huge raises... Forsome of the people, by some of the people. ![]() I was recently told by an FBI agent when I asked why we are continuing an obviously failing policy, "If we stopped now it would be like we were just giving up, like we were quitting." When I replied with, "how many innocent law enforcement officers and American citizens have to die, and how many years do we continue wasting billions of dollars with no results before you guys decide it's time to quit?" He decided not to continue our conversation. Of course the answer isnever, if it was up to him. He and alot of his buddies wouldprobablybe looking for a new line of work. Unfortunately, thousands of innocent lives have been lost directly and indirectly due to drug prohibitions, just to stop people from participatingin a victimless, and for the most part,harmless activity. This resultalone should have redirected legislation years ago... but no. As mentioned in previous posts, cotton, pharmyceutical, alcohol, tobacco, etc. lobbies,I'm sure, have paid nicely to assure thingsremained the same. We all know what our country and it's leaders revolve around.....$$$$$$$$$$$$. Also, we now have a veryintrenched sub culture, very similar to theMafia during andafter 1920's prohibition, that thrives onmayhem andviolence and is financed by theillegal drug trade.These criminals are now unfortunately linkedtodrugs and further give lawmakers and their ignorant supporters(( not all consevatives areignorant, but most ignorants are conservatives))additional fodder to keep the status quo. The US spends billions of dollars a year to support this failing war, money which would serve a much better purpose by being directed toward education, rehabilitation, and the myriad of other under funded programs that help our citizens better their lives! Our societyis becoming more fragmented and corrupt day by day.Just look atmetropolitan areas,like Los Angeles, that are on thefront edge of societal evolution. No one knows their neighbors (and no one cares) and you just might get carjackedwhileidling in yourBeverly Hills driveway. If something is not done to curtail this decline, expect similar disentigration of the quality of life coming to a home town near you. As a matter of fact I'm sure most of you have already noticed it leaking in. Remember when graffiti was something you only saw on tv.I think this decline might be inevitable, but I believedrug prohibitions have acted as an excelerant, taking money away from places and programs that could slow or halt our society's digression as well asgiving the"fuck you and your mother" sub culture and generation a nichein which to thrive. Stop fucking big brothering us to death, let us live our lives, and give our money back to our communities. So what if I smoke a joint every once in a while. Peace |
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In the US, I know the main reason behind the banning of weed was
because of expansion. We wanted to control Mexican land. What did the stereotypical mexican peasant grow/use? Weed. So, if we could kick them out for possesion, we could control areas like Texas, because while we won these areas in war, we still had to kick out all the original inhabitants. In fact, the original banning law was modelled off of a law for machine guns; early legislation was moral enough to realize an outright ban on weed was unconstitutional, so they established a "stamp tax." on weed. How did it work? You could only possess weed if you had the proper documentation. In order to obtain the documentation, you had to approach the government with your weed, in order for it to be taxed. However, if you approached the government with your weed to obtain documentation, that meant you didn't have documentation, and so they could throw you in jail. Just for trying to agree with the system. Brilliant and asshole in theory. But yeah, I think the war on drugs is a combination of ignorance, corruption, and control. Man I remember as a freshmen in highschool, I had to write a 20 page essay on any topic. My topic was why drugs should be legalized. I wish I still had it. Teacher gave me an F. And I am a pretty decent writer. It was not a bad essay. So theoretically, the war on drugs helped me fail in school! |
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It doesn't get much easier to undersatand than that. |
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I think one of the key phrases in that last passage was regarding sustances and "supply and demand"! Basic economic law... if something is demanded, it will be supplied. That crack ho would be a crack ho whether it was legal or not. "A war not meant to be won...", hmmmm. |
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I think that this is as cogent and concise a summation of why the war on drugs is being fought as I've ever seen. From www.norwichbulletin.com 4 June 2005<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn chemas-microsoft-com ffice ffice" /><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">'War on drugs' not meant to be won[/B] With remarks to a civic group in Enfield recently, Superior Court Judge Howard Scheinblum engaged in what is seldom forgiven in Connecticut's public life: candor. The judge asserted what can neither be denied nor acknowledged -- that public policy on drugs doesn't work. Speaking from his 15 years of experience on the bench, Scheinblum estimated 90 percent of criminal cases in Connecticut are connected in some way to the pursuit of illegal drugs, and he asserted that society would be far better off to let users of such drugs obtain them by prescription and to be charged for them according to their ability to pay. That is, the judge said, drugs are not the problem, not the cause of thievery, robbery, and violence; drug <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">prohibition [/I]is. If now-illegal drugs were available to addicts by prescription, many addicts would waste their lives away, but at least they wouldn't be robbing and killing others for money for drugs, and drug dealers would not be killing others over drug sales territory. Most violent crime would disappear. Sensible as this might seem -- after all, despite drug criminalization, illegal drugs are more prevalent than ever; the legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco, claim so many more lives than illegal drugs; and who really cares how people waste their lives as long as they don't hurt others?-- the judge said any departure from futile drug policy would be blocked by "vested interests." For if drug prohibition crime ended, the judge said, Connecticut wouldn't need as many police, courts, prisons, drug programs and so forth. Judge Scheinblum's analysis only seems cynical, but it has been borne out by the political action of Connecticut's prison guards union against the transfer of inmates to prisons out of state where costs of imprisonment are lower. The families of prisoners have protested as well, but the union didn't care about prisoner welfare; it cared about losing business. The judge's analysis also has been borne out by state government's refusal to audit drug-criminalization policy. The policy's failure is obvious, but politicians are paralyzed by fear of the policy's financial beneficiaries and the fear of asking the public to challenge old but faulty assumptions. As with many other policies in Connecticut that are never evaluated for results, the "war on drugs" is not meant to be won; it is meant to be <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">waged[/I]. Even its racially disproportionate casualties are not enough to prompt politicians to engage in candor like Judge Scheinblum's. Indeed, Connecticut's politicians are happy to put half the state's young men of color in prison if the other half can be hired to guard them. |
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Yep, the prison system is big business in the USA. Pretty soon all we'll have left here are soldiers and prisoners. And imprisoned soldiers. And prisoners drafted to be soldiers. Some fun, eh?
P.S. the "War on Terrorism" isn't meant to be won either. Keeps the Military/Industrial Complex alive, vibrant and rolling. Maybe they can use the prisoners from the War on Drugs to fight the War on Terrorism. Oops... don't want to give anyone any bright ideas... Edited by: Nicaine
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