Combinations - Serotonin syndrome - Drugs Forum
Drugs-Forum  
News Groups Blog Forum Chat Video Audio Images Documents Wiki Home
Go Back   Drugs Forum > CHEMICAL & (SEMI-) SYNTHETIC DRUGS > Amphetamine > Concerta and Ritalin
Register Tags Mark Forums Read

Notices

Concerta and Ritalin About Methylphenidate.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 29-12-2008, 01:34
Coconut's Avatar
Coconut Coconut is offline
Palladium Member
 
Join Date: 03-07-2007
Location: Ireland
Age: 21
Posts: 1,181
Blog Entries: 8
Coconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPAC
Points: 4,784, Level: 10 Points: 4,784, Level: 10 Points: 4,784, Level: 10
Activity: 22% Activity: 22% Activity: 22%
Serotonin syndrome

I did a quick search of the forums but couldn't come up with a thread on this topic.

If taking both methylphenidate and an SSRI (specifically, sertraline) at therapeutic doses, is it likely that one may develop serotonin syndrome?

Google returns some results suggesting that it is possible but I need to be sure of the risks before I let my tree consider this course of treatment.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 29-12-2008, 01:38
RaverHippie's Avatar
RaverHippie Gold member RaverHippie is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: 07-11-2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 3,425
Blog Entries: 3
RaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPACRaverHippie must think in IUPAC
Points: 9,204, Level: 14 Points: 9,204, Level: 14 Points: 9,204, Level: 14
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
Re: Serotonin syndrome

I could have sworn hearing about people being prescribed adderal and an SSRI before. Also SSRI's don't seem to cause serotonin syndrome unless they're consumed with an MAOI. These are just assumptions I've followed, deference to those with more knowledge on the matter.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 29-12-2008, 01:47
ihavequestions ihavequestions is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: 06-02-2008
Location: california
Posts: 235
ihavequestions is a decent SWIMmer.ihavequestions is a decent SWIMmer.
Points: 1,439, Level: 5 Points: 1,439, Level: 5 Points: 1,439, Level: 5
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: Serotonin syndrome

this is a sectioned swim got about adderall on wikipedia about interaction of adderall:

"

Contraindications, interactions, and precautions
The following provides only general guidelines and is not comprehensive. Please refer to a more comprehensive list for further information regarding co-administration of amphetamine with other substances.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall


the risk seems to be pretty low. however whenever swim mixes medications he calls the pharmacist just to make sure as they usualy are aware of possible interactions
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 29-12-2008, 12:49
Coconut's Avatar
Coconut Coconut is offline
Palladium Member
 
Join Date: 03-07-2007
Location: Ireland
Age: 21
Posts: 1,181
Blog Entries: 8
Coconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPACCoconut must think in IUPAC
Points: 4,784, Level: 10 Points: 4,784, Level: 10 Points: 4,784, Level: 10
Activity: 22% Activity: 22% Activity: 22%
Re: Serotonin syndrome

Quote:
Originally Posted by http://www.eric.vcu.edu/inm/Mire.pdf
Ritalin-Induced Serotonin Syndrome: Overstimulating the Depressed Elderly

Ryan D. Mire, MD

A 72 year old man with a long history of severe depression, chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease, cerebral vascular accident, and hypertension was admitted
to the hospital for dehydration and anorexia. His antidepressant outpatient
medications were paroxetine and trazodone. An extensive workup for failure to
thrive was ultimately negative and his presentation was felt to be secondary to
long-standing, severe depression. Methylphenidate (Ritalin) 5 mg qd was added;
after several days without any improvement, the dose was increased to 5 mg bid.
Soon thereafter developed tachycardia, tachypnea, and fever. Upon transfer to
the intensive care unit, vital signs were temperature 105.20F (rectally), blood
pressure 170/63 mmHg and heart rate 145 beats/minute. Physical exam
revealed lethargy, diaphoresis, mydriasis, wheezing, severe rigidity, hyperreflexia
(4+), and sustained clonus. Laboratory studies revealed rhabdomyolysis,
leukocytosis with left shift, azotemia, and metabolic acidosis. He was intubated
and treated with external cooling, broad-spectrum antibiotics, and midazolam.
Head computed tomography, lumbar puncture, and electroencephalogram were
negative. Although his course was complicated by myocardial infarction and
Citrobacter bloodstream infection, he improved significantly after 72 hours and
his antidepressants were changed to bupropion.
Serotonin syndrome is a diagnosis of exclusion manifested by a classic triad of
abnormal cognitive/behavioral changes, autonomic instability, and
neuromuscular changes. It has increased in frequency since the introduction of
selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Symptom onset and intensity are
extremely variable. This patient had multiple potential etiologies for serotonin
syndrome, including paroxetine and trazadone, both of which increase serotonin
neurotransmission. Interestingly, amphetamines not only affect norepinephrine
and dopamine, but also increase serotonin availability in the synaptic space and
have been associated with serotonin syndrome. Methylphenidate, in particular,
can precipitate serotonin syndrome through a direct affect on increasing
serotonin and through the increase of dopamine. In this case, methylphenidate
was the precipitating cause as evidenced by the onset of symptoms with the
rapid increase in dosage. The laboratory findings in this case were non-specific
and consistent with cases reported in the literature. Although there is no
diagnostic laboratory test available, the clinical picture accurately meets the
clinical criteria for serotonin syndrome. Methylphenidate has been documented
as an adjunctive therapy for treatment-resistant depression; however, caution is
recommended in selecting medications to prevent this potentially fatal drug
interaction.
My tree says he will discuss this with his psychiatrist but it looks as though he should wean himself off the sertraline before trying methylphenidate.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 30-12-2008, 03:37
Cryptic Concoction's Avatar
Cryptic Concoction Cryptic Concoction is offline
Palladium Member
 
Join Date: 11-11-2008
Location: United States
Posts: 166
Cryptic Concoction really adds to the discussion.Cryptic Concoction really adds to the discussion.Cryptic Concoction really adds to the discussion.Cryptic Concoction really adds to the discussion.Cryptic Concoction really adds to the discussion.Cryptic Concoction really adds to the discussion.Cryptic Concoction really adds to the discussion.
Points: 1,794, Level: 6 Points: 1,794, Level: 6 Points: 1,794, Level: 6
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: Serotonin syndrome

Methylphenidate is sometimes used as an auxiliary medication to augment the effects of SSRIs in cases where SSRIs alone prove ineffective. However, this does appear to amplify the risk of serotonin syndrome to a degree, and I have seen reports of methylphenidate-SSRI therapy resulting in serotonin syndrome. Though the risk does not appear to be great, I strongly discourage this combination without further research into possible risks.

Combining methylphenidate with an SSRI appears to augment the increase in serotonergic activity in the hippocampal formation that SSRIs exert, but mitigates this increase in the cortex.

Because both increase the availability of serotonin in the synapse, the possibility of serotonin syndrome (while tenuous) cannot be dismissed entirely. I will note that this combination appears to have found acceptance among members of the medical communities, and the risks associated with therapeutic doses appear to be relatively low.

Last edited by Cryptic Concoction; 30-12-2008 at 03:52.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
serotonin syndrome

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Combinations - Serotonin syndrome: a reported case (SSRI and L-Dopa) Jatelka Antidepressants 0 02-04-2008 21:43
Health - Serotonin syndrome induced by fluvoxamine and oxycodone. Jatelka Antidepressants 0 07-03-2008 07:35
THE ECSTASY MANIFESTO - Can MDMA Use Be Made Safer? WrtngCocaineTutorial Ecstasy (MDMA, MDEA, MDA) 5 02-03-2008 02:18
Doctors Miss Life-Threatening Serotonin Syndrome ~lostgurl~ Miscellaneous News 6 14-09-2007 06:55
Combinations - mixing drugs dr ACE Drug combinations 2 12-11-2004 11:50


Sitelinks: Site Functions:

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:22.


Copyright: Substance Information Network 2003 - 2009, All rights reserved