Opinions - Benefits of cold-water extraction?

[xadrianz]

Now SWIM has looked and he hasn't really found why someone would go through the trouble of cwe. He knows that it separates the hydrocone but would that make the effect better for SWIM? How much better? What's the best way to do cwe?
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[Gradient]

A cold-water extraction would function to remove the nasty acetaminophen from any tablets containing an opiate alkaloid. Individuals preform such extractions due to the liver-toxicity that is generated by high-dose acetaminophen administration. For the most part, acute administrations of high-dose acetaminophen wont do too much damage. However, if swim was in possession of a pile of 30mg codeine/500mg acetaminophen tablets - a cold-water extraction would isolate the compound desired, and allow for pure opiate administration.

The extraction is based upon a differential solubility of codeine and acetaminophen at low temperatures in water; acetaminophen is more soluble at low temperatures than codeine, and will therefore leave the desired alkaloids behind while the water will absorb most of the acetaminophen.

There are numerous teks out there. It shouldn't take swiy more than 2 minutes to find a sufficient one, though the extraction itself is simple enough that a tek isn't really all that necessary. 'Cold-water' extraction kind of says it all.

Reputation Comments on this post:

informative

[honourableone]

CWE is used to seperate opiates (mostly codeine) from other drugs that are mixed in with it for over-the-counter preparations, like co-codamol that contains codeine and paracetamol (acetaminophen). This means that the opiate can be enjoyed without having to consume dangerous amounts of other substances.

SWIY seems a little confused. If SWIY has a pure source of hydrocone, then a cold water extraction would do nothing (SWIM knows someone who went throught the motions of CWE on pure prescribed codeine tablets), but if it contains any other active ingredients CWE may be the only way to safely use the tablets recreationally.

SWIM is very sure that CWE intructions would be easy to find, both on this forum and elsewhere, so a quick search should give all the method and theory for CWE that SWIY needs.

Reputation Comments on this post:

good answer, esp the part regarding the danger of excess acetaminophen.

[xadrianz]

okay, thanks. swim found a way to do it.
thank you for telling swim about it and what it does.
swim has vicodin es which is hydrocone 7.5mg w/ 750mg of acetaminophen so swim will do cwe.

xadrianz added 1128 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

well, SWIM did it and it tasted just plain terrible. could SWIM use something like apple juice to make it go down easier or would that make the hydrocone less effective?

[honourableone]

Apple juice would be fine, and grapefruit juice may make your dose MORE effective. You can pretty much consume it however you want - you could even evaporate the water and get a powder.

If you CWE a lot of tablets at once you could run your product through the procedure multiple time for even better purity, but that shouldn't be neccesary unless you thought you did the first attempt wrong (which is unlikely as it is an easy thing to do).

honourableone added 12 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

SWIM personally would fill the container up with water afterwards though, and drink that, just to make sure that nothing is wasted.

[davestate]

Originally Posted by Gradient

The extraction is based upon a differential solubility of codeine and acetaminophen at low temperatures in water; acetaminophen is more soluble at low temperatures than codeine, and will therefore leave the desired alkaloids behind while the water will absorb most of the acetaminophen.

Erm, excuse me?

[Gradient]

Good catch. The compounds were reversed. Please correct mis-posts instead of filling threads with useless chatter.

[Jasim]

USFSE. Most alkaloids (including opiates) taste very very bitter and sharp. Swim has done toss and wash with reagent grade propoxyphene before....ewww.

Anywayz, when one does a cwe, one is increasing the concentration of those bitter tasting substances.
There are a variety of ways to get around the taste. One interesting suggestion swim has seen on DF is putting the substance inside small jello pieces and just swallowing. Of course if one has empty capsules, that would work too.

Also keep in mind that the higher concentrated substances will be harder on the stomach (particularly if taken on an empty stomach).