Drug info - sublingual use of E

[pinokio]

Hey all, My cat is just interested if sublingual use of E would be possible.

She tahnks a lot.

[Boca Bitch]

Well considering enzymes would start to break down the tab, causing the user to eventually swallow the entire pill, then yes. The effects would be exactly the same as just popping it, as the route of administration would be exactly the same... (stomach and digestive tract). So I really see little point of sublingual use.

[pinokio]

I give thanks.

[RaverHippie]

It would likely be a very unpleasant experience. My raver friend tells me the taste of MDMA + common E adulterants is very nasty. In addition to this it's been documented in a few threads that MDMA is irritating to the tissues of the mouth so this may not be a very good idea as far as health goes. Simply swallowing is a very effective means of ingestion and doesn't really need to be changed according to my raver friend.

[radiometer]

It's certainly possible, but one reads a lot of anecdotal reports about mouth sores developing from doing so.

[Fantasian]

Sublingual administration works but because of MDMA often coming as the acidic salt, (hydrochloride etc) often mouth ulcers result. Also the increase in onset isnt really noticable as most tends to be swallowed from the disgustng taste. Speaking from SWIF's and others experience.

[sterling77]

Amphetamines are bad for your tooth enamel, so swim would do it sparingly or at least rinse your mouth out well afterwards.

[Psychonaut08]

swim tels me it tastes fucking horrible.

[doggy_hat]

Well, you can only taste with the top portion of your tounge, so swimmers that take drugs sublingually won't taste anything as long as they're careful. There are also no teeth under the tounge, so it won't hurt the teeth enamel.

But there do seem to be quite a few experience reports of mouth sores from chewing pills, so sores may be an issue.

Originally Posted by Fantasian

Sublingual administration works but because of MDMA often coming as the acidic salt, (hydrochloride etc) often mouth ulcers result. Also the increase in onset isnt really noticable as most tends to be swallowed from the disgustng taste. Speaking from SWIF's and others experience.

Strange, I've always thought MDMA was a basic substance because it's always describes as being very bitter. And generally speaking bases are bitter while acids are sour.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by doggy_hat

Well, you can only taste with the top portion of your tounge, so swimmers that take drugs sublingually won't taste anything as long as they're careful. There are also no teeth under the tounge, so it won't hurt the teeth enamel.

the whole point of sublingual administration is to put the active ingredient in solution (saliva) so that if can be absorbed. If it's in solution it's effects will be felt all over the mouth including taste and harming enamel. I'm not sure what you were referring to in your post.

[Euphoric]

Would it be possible to mix MDMA HCL with something basic without losing potency as to make it more bearable sublingually?

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by doggy_hat

Strange, I've always thought MDMA was a basic substance because it's always describes as being very bitter. And generally speaking bases are bitter while acids are sour.

As far as Im aware most MDMA comes as the hydrochloride salt which is acidic that said im not totally posative, i welcome any information to disprove me

Ive not heard of that distinction of taste before either.

@Euphoric - possibly but is it really worth the effort? Sublingual administration would only cause a faster onset and shorter peak, if SWIM wanted this he could always insufflate or use rectal administration, that said insufflation isnt pleasant. SWIF has done both and tbh prefers the longer peak associated with oral dosage.

[doggy_hat]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

the whole point of sublingual administration is to put the active ingredient in solution (saliva) so that if can be absorbed. If it's in solution it's effects will be felt all over the mouth including taste and harming enamel. I'm not sure what you were referring to in your post.

SWIM uses methylphenidate sublingually pretty often and he can never taste it. As long as the saliva that the drug dissolves into stays under the tounge then it can't be tasted.

Originally Posted by Fantasian

As far as Im aware most MDMA comes as the hydrochloride salt which is acidic that said im not totally posative, i welcome any information to disprove me

Ive not heard of that distinction of taste before either.

@Euphoric - possibly but is it really worth the effort? Sublingual administration would only cause a faster onset and shorter peak, if SWIM wanted this he could always insufflate or use rectal administration, that said insufflation isnt pleasant. SWIF has done both and tbh prefers the longer peak associated with oral dosage.

The word acid is actually derived from the Latin word acidus, which means sour. A good example of the differences in the tastes of acids and bases though, Is the taste between Vitamin C(absorbic acid), and Baking Soda(Sodium Bicarbonate). The Vitamin C being very sour and the Baking soda being very bitter.

But my chemistry knowledge is only very elementary though, so I have no more solid of an explanation than that. I guess it could be an acid, even though it doesn't taste very acidic.

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[Readux]

SWIM has looked through most of this forum, and has ran into little information on taking mdma by dissolving under the tongue. SWIM wants to know how effective it is, knowing that it goes more directly to the blood stream, it should enhance the peak like plugging. But most importantly SWIM wants to know how long it lasts compared to consuming orally. Also is it dangerous to the mouth, since it usually isn't the best place to store ecstasy. Also SWIM would like to say that this is only with clean mdma, any adulterates should go through the liver, this totally bypasses this step.

[julian]

Originally Posted by Readux

SWIM has looked through most of this forum, and has ran into little information on taking mdma by dissolving under the tongue. SWIM wants to know how effective it is, knowing that it goes more directly to the blood stream, it should enhance the peak like plugging. But most importantly SWIM wants to know how long it lasts compared to consuming orally. Also is it dangerous to the mouth, since it usually isn't the best place to store ecstasy. Also SWIM would like to say that this is only with clean mdma, any adulterates should go through the liver, this totally bypasses this step.

Swim does not have any scientific facts regarding the question, however swim has tried this personally. He found the effects to hit quicker, but he is not sure if it was because the pill was absorbed under his tongue or if it was just because the pill was crushed. Swiy should be weary though, because swim felt like puking and had to try like hell not to throw up. He felt shitty until he started to come up in about 30 minutes then all was well.

[phatassone]

MDMA tastes HORRIBLE so if you're pill has high MDMA content i suggest you don't let it dissolve under your tongue cause allthough it might hit you quicker the taste is AWFULL... you're better off plugging it if you want a more intense rush....

[Micklemouse]

Threads merged.

[RollinAllNight]

Swim has found that sublingual administration works very well. Swim bought two identical rolls and tried sublingual with one and chewing up and swallowing the other. The sublingual one had a much stronger effect on swim and was much more pleasurable than swallowing it. Swim took the sublingual one first but they were consumed a week apart.

The theory is that the MDMA absorbs into the tissue in your mouth and enters the bloodstream, just like chewing tobacco does. This would, in theory, allow more of the drug to reach the brain before it is metabolized.