Effects - Ayahuasca tea VS ayahuasca extract VS conusming ayahuasca plants whole

[darkbreed]

Out of curiosity a bird asked me to deliver this message:

What is other swimmers experience with ayahuasca tea the traditional way, compared to any sort of extract made either from the tea or plants, and to simply consuming the plants themselves ground up or whatever way they would be easy to consume?

Also, if doing an extraction of a one dose normal tea, would it yield more than one dose of extracted material or pretty much the same?

And if consuming the plants ground up, will this be effective, and how does it absorb compared to the two other methods, and how are the effects compared to the same two other?

[Gradient]

Swim wouldn't recommend eating raw bark, or the ridiculous amount of leaves necessary. There are far better methods of ingestion and extraction, each of which are extremely easy and generate far more tolerable effects on the stomach. Swim would recommend performing an extraction on the bark - the product is ready to consume overnight (or even in hours, if evaporation is expedited).

Swim's experience with ayahuasca tea was extremely insightful - characterized by radical emotional oscillations, as well as newly perceived associations between concepts previously unrelated. Swim was able to feel the effects of DMT, but found the requirement of an MAOI (syrian rue in Swim's experience) to add an emotional-lingering effect; when startled or overcome by some stimulus, swim's entire emotional and physiological response would persist long after an appropriate duration. Of course, this is likely due to the absence of normal enzymatic degradation of monoamine neurotransmitters, catecholamines in specific.

The infamous 'purga', or period of intense vomiting following ingestion certainly colors the experience differently than consuming extracts. Swim has vomited on numerous substances, but the ayahuasca/syrian rue stack has absolutely been the most intense and involved. Swim's entire musculature felt like it would convulse, engaged in the hurl. Not pleasant. The period afterword is arguably euphoric and pleasant, however, and lends well to expansive and magnificent experiences.

Some people have an affinity for the way 'la purga' guides the experience. Swim and cohorts detest this quality, and were compelled to learn an extraction with the highest yield - quite easy with a superficial understanding of acid/base chemistry. The biggest advantage of performing an extraction is the ability to smoke the extract, eliciting the wonderful effects of DMT without MAOIs.

Tea is better than raw bark, but a simple extraction should be seriously considered.

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[69Ron]

SWIM prefers purified extracts. He extracts his own DMT down to pure white crystals from chacruna. He used to extract harmala alkaloids, but now just buys tetrahydroharmine online. Extracting harmala alkaloids is a pain in the ass. Also, there’s no way SWIM knows of to extract just tetrahydroharmine, so he just buys it on-line.

SWIM gets nausea from real ayahuasca. He doesn’t like nausea at all. When he takes pure DMT with pure tetrahydroharmine, he gets NO NAUSEA. Not even a tiny bit. Plus the experience is much more clear headed. It’s much better in SWIM’s opinion. Why ingest all the extra bulk from the plant when all it does is make you nauseated? Plus caapi contains slightly more harmine than tetrahydroharmine so it’s not quite as nice.

The cost of a dose of tetrahydroharmine is about the same as the cost of a dose of caapi, so there’s no economical reason to use the plant. It just makes no sense in my opinion. Of course rue is cheaper, but you get what you pay for. The rue experience is really sub par.

[Gradient]

I definitely agree with Ron - extractions are the way to go, but Chacruna requires a defatting step that isn't required with mimosa hostilis in the extraction process. If swiy is looking for an easy extraction method, the root bark really does make it a simple process. There are a handful of nicely descriptive teks online, and all of them have room for personal improvement of techniques to boost yield (raising temperatures of solvents, grinding the bark down to powder, etc...)

Check out marsifold's tek on this forum.

[darkbreed]

Thanks for the input. SWIM drank down some ayahuasca tea recently though it was for him a small dose but gave some interesting effects. SWIM did not get to any vomiting though luckily, rarely does he do that in any case where others does. He had some gas developing in his stomach producing some slight nausea but some burping took care of that which it usually does. SWIM guess he is lucky and got a strong stomach considering everyone else he knows have puked from all the things SWIM do not.

He is quite interested in the fictional recipes and methods posted by Ron earlier and considering he got plenty of access to chacruna et al he will probably try a pure extraction next time in some dream.

Any good chacruna extraction method would be of interest, he had good results so far with yopo seed extractions as per Ron's descriptions in various dreams by now, would nn-dmt and 5-meo-dmt be extracted in the same way as the bufenotine (5-OH-dmt) or would some other method be better?

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