Dose - A Few Questions For First LSD Experience

[metaljuana]

For swims first time on LSD, how many hits should he start out with? he was thinking just starting with two, and going from there, but has heard that LSD of today does not contain the same effect as it used to have. How many hits should he start out with? How many hits would it take for you to get a mindblowing experience, with a highly expanded conciousnes and such? I'm sorry if this seems vague, but he has never tried LSD. Any help would be appreciated.

Next, for when he's tripping, he has his brother and a few friends watching out for a 10 hour period of time. To enjoy the experience, should he have any kind of games, books, videos, music or such to make the best of the trip? What are some things to do when you are tripping?

Any other information will also be appreciated! Thank you.

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[Jasim]

Swim would recommend that swiy (someone who isn't you) start with 1-2 hits, but hits can vary dramatically on the actual amount of lsd in a hit. Swiy should wait at least 1 week between trips since lsd causes very strong tolerance almost instantly, and a second dosing within a week of the first will result in a very much reduced effect (maybe even nothing at all). It's good to have a babysitter until swiy is very experienced with psychedelics.

[entheogensmurf]

Originally Posted by Jasim

Swim would recommend that swiy (someone who isn't you) start with 1-2 hits, but hits can vary dramatically on the actual amount of lsd in a hit. Swiy should wait at least 1 week between trips since lsd causes very strong tolerance almost instantly, and a second dosing within a week of the first will result in a very much reduced effect (maybe even nothing at all). It's good to have a babysitter until swiy is very experienced with psychedelics.

SWIM concurs with the above

And SWIM would say that dosing more than 2 hits the first time is just plain irresponsible and stupid. Keep in mind that this applies as a general rule. Obviously some people could start out at 500ug and be fine, not that SWIM would ever endorse that silliness.

[Frond]

It's really pointless to measure LSD in terms of hits. Anything can be in a hit, from 50 to 500 mics of acid, or some research chemical like DOI, DOB, or maybe even some obscure tryptamine. The rule of thumb here is: if the blotter has a chemical taste, and takes over 2 hours to kick in, then it's usually not LSD.

SWIY should find out, if he can, how much, and what, is in one of his tabs, and then work out how many he needs to take.

For a first timer, about 200 mics should be a very good dose. It won't cause ego death, but it will give a good indication as to what's going to happen on higher doses. SWIY should be in control at all times, but he is likely to have a nicely mind-expanding (though not yet mind-erasing) experience.

At 500-600 mics or so, acid tends to change gear, and ego death can often take place. Lots has been written about this phenomenon and this isn't the time to go into detail. Let's just say that if SWIY intends to brave these perilous waters, he'd better be prepared. Ego death is a very intense experience, one of the most intense experiences possible in fact. Now, whether it will be terrifying or blissful for SWIY is impossible to know beforehand. Different people react to this in different ways, and Sir Tokesalot has some friends who, despite their general love of psychedelics, are terrified of ego death.

So, the point is, don't overcook it. SWIY should take it easy the first time, and then go from there.

Suggested activities: avoid anything that can cause any kinds of bad vibes, i.e. war movies, irritating people, household chores and other responsibilities, dark negative music, strangers and public spaces, and so on. Have something sedating on hand - like Kratom - but also be aware that there are very few, if any, ways to stop a trip. It is very common, when things so south, for people to freak out and demand that the trip be stopped now. Most of the time that isn't possible. The thing to remember is that it is a drug, and that it will wear off. Time dilation is very possible on LSD and an hour can feel like an eternity, but eventually for better or for worse things will end.

Get some nice trippy music (Shpongle works great), get some nice trippy movies (Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, for instance, or maybe Spirited Away). And get companions for whom SWIY has genuine fondness and trust. Set aside at least 16 hours for the experience and another 24 hours to recover afterwards. SWIY will very likely feel very weird and possibly very mentally tired and burned out at the tail end of the experience, which is why the day after the experience is vital. It is here that most of the re-integration and mental post-processing of the experience will take place. So, this day should also be free from responsibility, and SWIY should take the time to relax and reflect on the knowledge gained.

On bad trips and negative experiences in general: it may be a strange thing to say, but our brave knight Sir Tokesalot has found bad trips to generally be very educational in nature, and are in of themselves not to be feared. Generally, when things have gone south for the Good Knight, they were caused by him discovering new facets of himself that he did not altogether approve of. So, there was painful introspection and harsh, brutal self-analysis, often punctuated by feelings of fear, paranoia, regret, severe depression, general worthlessness, and pretty much anything that one could expect from a negative experience. However, the net effect of the experience was almost always positive in the long term because it brought certain flaws to light - which then gave him an opportunity to work on those flaws and effect some significant self-improvement.

The point of it all is - don't be afraid of the possibility of bad trips. If the set and setting is right, then things should go well. But, if things do start going south and one finds himself in a hellishly intense instrospective nightmare, then one shouldn't freak out. He's simply confronting demons, and usually ends up exorcising them if he's wise enough and has enough strength of character.

Oh, and lastly - it is important to keep in mind that just because the drug is telling SWIY something doesn't mean that it is speaking the truth! It is very important to review the knowledge gained with a sober eye once the experience is over. There are a lot of revelations in store for SWIY, but there is also the possibility of delusion, and it pays to be self-aware at every step.

[polidelaiko]

Originally Posted by Frond

It's really pointless to measure LSD in terms of hits. Anything can be in a hit, from 50 to 500 mics of acid, or some research chemical like DOI, DOB, or maybe even some obscure tryptamine.

So how do you measure it? When talking about micrograms, most people (including SWIY) are just guessing...

[Jasim]

Originally Posted by polidelaiko

So how do you measure it? When talking about micrograms, most people (including SWIY) are just guessing...

Ask someone who has taken that particular batch of acid before. If all else fails, just take one hit and see, wait a week or longer and try a higher dose.

[entheogensmurf]

Originally Posted by Frond

It's really pointless to measure LSD in terms of hits. Anything can be in a hit, from 50 to 500 mics of acid,

SWIM has had access to a vendor that sold in vials (300 doses roughly). A supply that ships at a consistent dose. This is based on that people generally only needed 1 drop/tab to feel the effects, but not enough to be overwhelming. That "seems" to equate to about 200ug. SWIM never met the chemist - so again, SWIM fully admits, it's impossible to Know

Within those 3 years, there was not an obvious change in the strength.
This has been SWIMs only source and it's no longer available mind you.

This is also why SWIM is the person to buy in bulk. This way, there is a way to gauge a hit/dose worth compared to buying here and there and finding ONE hit to either be excessively weak or so strong that 2 "hits" could be rather dangerous if you're not expecting the high level of potency.

[polidelaiko]

Yes.. what I find weird is how many fishys talk about micrograms when they really don't know...
It's like I eat two oranges, so what am I supposed to say? "Yes, I ate like 2 grams of vitamin C, because I know the tree and the guy who planted it"....
Seems logical to me to say "I ate two oranges" because that's what is quantifiable. Maybe you could say "I ate two oranges of what I presume is a good orange tree, with high vitamin C content".
Unless one is weighting pure LSD cristals there's no way to tell.
(I suck at making analogies)

[metaljuana]

Swim wants to know how many tabs (average amount of LSD on them) would it take to take you to your inner self and expand your consciousness and your view of the world? How many micrograms would that be?

Also, swim wants to know if you took a tab at the beginning, and take one later during the trip, would it not have much of an effect because of tolerance buildup, or would it still have the same good effect?

[Cryptic Concoction]

Originally Posted by metaljuana

Swim wants to know how many tabs (average amount of LSD on them) would it take to take you to your inner self and expand your consciousness and your view of the world? How many micrograms would that be?

Also, swim wants to know if you took a tab at the beginning, and take one later during the trip, would it not have much of an effect because of tolerance buildup, or would it still have the same good effect?

It is impossible to determine how many tabs it would require to take one into one's "inner self" (whatever that is). It would be extremely difficult to determine even the average dose of LSD in a "tab."

Compounded upon the great variability in dosage in a "tab" is the fact that each person differs biologically, physiologically, neurologically, and neurochemically. The same dose will render different effects in people with different physical properties of their central nervous systems.

Further compounded upon the neurological, biological, and physiological (and so forth) variables is the fact that "mindset" and "setting" may exert a profound influence on the intensity and direction of an experience. One may find that the same dose renders different effects, contingent on the setting and state of mind.

This is even further complicated by the conundrum of how we define reaching one's "inner self" and what constitutes such a voyage.

To answer your question, your question cannot be definitively answered. SWIY will have to discover this for himself. If SWIY is not experienced with LSD and how it interacts with his mind and body, I recommend that he gradually increase his dose over a protracted period of time (allowing for tolerance to dissipate).

To answer your question concerning redosing, LSD appears to produce rather rapid onset tolerance effects. Some users report that redosing does little in the way of amplifying the intensity of the experience. However, this too, may be something that SWIY must discover for himself. I reccommend that SWIY read different reports on the efficacy of redosing.

Because SWIY is an LSD neophyte, I highly recommend that he cultivate an understanding of how it will affect his mind and his body. Others can offer dosage information only in an extremely general sense, and dosing information is extremely difficult to provide with illicit drugs (given the great variability in purity and drug concentrations). Not only this, but reaching one's "inner self" is such a profoundly subjective experience that it is impossible to determine what dose will be required to do so.

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[Songcycle67]

Yeah. No way to know what kind of experience lies within a single dose. Period. There's no "average" amount that is placed on hits. If they want a good experience, SWIM says SWIY should first test them using as small of a dose as is possible and within an hour or so they'll have a good idea of how strong it is and how much to take from there. Make sure they up their dose enough within the first hour and a half or so before tolerance develops.

[Jasim]

There's some good info and suggestions on this thread, be sure to use the reputation system

Swim's brother just tried acid for the first time today. His first psychedelic experience. Swim is an experienced traveler and was able to help him out with this. Check out this awesome resource for leading someone through an acid trip:
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...ok_lsd25.shtml

EDIT:
Check out chapter 2 and 9. Chapters 13-20 provide a much more detailed walkthrough.